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Pinky wrote:

Kraj wrote:You guys are going about these things wrong. When tabloids want the juicy stuff, they have to pay. If you want the real dirt (videos of the assault, videos of various Motel 6 rendezvous, insider info a la "Deepthroat", etc.) you need to start an IGx fund and pay for the good stuff. That's how to get primo material. A lot of people will start opening up when the green's on the table.

Tabloids are after information about people with publicists and good attorneys. This thread about drama and stupidity on the level of what you would see on "Cops". IGX doesn't have to pay a cent to laugh at these morons. We just have to be here and let them continue to act like shitheads in public.

pmt
Posted November 26, 2009 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

One of the most important things I’ve learned from Crossfit is how important it is to be an independent thinker.

I’ve been yelled at hard enough to keep working and have gotten badly injured twice. I’ve done reps of things I thought I needed to improve and incurred more injury. My coach stood by and didn’t say, “Hey, experience shows that if you do too many of those, you’ll get this injury.” Only AFTER I got hurt, did I got that speech.

NEVERMIND…I didn’t squawk but owned my injuries and realized that I needed to coach myself better.

After processing the disappointment in my coach, I realized that the upside is that I had an opportunity to take responsibility for my own training. I have learned a TON and realize what a universe remains to be learned. I don’t ignore my coach now but I don’t expect top notch instruction… In fact, I don’t expect anything. I just work out and assume I’ll get steered in the right direction if I’m about to kill myself.

I’ve seen people ask questions at my gym only to be almost-ridiculed or told in a condescending way that they need to attend more classes. I felt sorry for the student and emailed the answer off-line. I’ve since refrained from asking questions. I’ve heard comments from other students saying they’re afraid to ask questions and that the gym’s top performers are cliquish and unapproachable.

If this is an affiliate, I can only imagine what HQ’s culture is like.

At this point I am sure one of the faithful will chime in, someone along the lines of a John Brown or the like. Please feel free, but for once, only for a moment John, take Dave’s cock out of your mouth. Have an original thought and don’t be a Crossfit parrot. No matter how long you hold tight to his balls, you are still going to be an epic douche.

Resident Quack wrote:As above, so below...
http://robbwolf.com/?p=981#comments

pmt
Posted November 26, 2009 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

One of the most important things I’ve learned from Crossfit is how important it is to be an independent thinker.

I’ve been yelled at hard enough to keep working and have gotten badly injured twice. I’ve done reps of things I thought I needed to improve and incurred more injury. My coach stood by and didn’t say, “Hey, experience shows that if you do too many of those, you’ll get this injury.” Only AFTER I got hurt, did I got that speech.

NEVERMIND…I didn’t squawk but owned my injuries and realized that I needed to coach myself better.

After processing the disappointment in my coach, I realized that the upside is that I had an opportunity to take responsibility for my own training. I have learned a TON and realize what a universe remains to be learned. I don’t ignore my coach now but I don’t expect top notch instruction… In fact, I don’t expect anything. I just work out and assume I’ll get steered in the right direction if I’m about to kill myself.

I’ve seen people ask questions at my gym only to be almost-ridiculed or told in a condescending way that they need to attend more classes. I felt sorry for the student and emailed the answer off-line. I’ve since refrained from asking questions. I’ve heard comments from other students saying they’re afraid to ask questions and that the gym’s top performers are cliquish and unapproachable.

If this is an affiliate, I can only imagine what HQ’s culture is like.

All this and less for $150+ per month!!!

Tom wrote:

Resident Quack wrote:As above, so below...
http://robbwolf.com/?p=981#comments

pmt
Posted November 26, 2009 at 9:49 pm | Permalink

One of the most important things I’ve learned from Crossfit is how important it is to be an independent thinker.

I’ve been yelled at hard enough to keep working and have gotten badly injured twice. I’ve done reps of things I thought I needed to improve and incurred more injury. My coach stood by and didn’t say, “Hey, experience shows that if you do too many of those, you’ll get this injury.” Only AFTER I got hurt, did I got that speech.

NEVERMIND…I didn’t squawk but owned my injuries and realized that I needed to coach myself better.

After processing the disappointment in my coach, I realized that the upside is that I had an opportunity to take responsibility for my own training. I have learned a TON and realize what a universe remains to be learned. I don’t ignore my coach now but I don’t expect top notch instruction… In fact, I don’t expect anything. I just work out and assume I’ll get steered in the right direction if I’m about to kill myself.

I’ve seen people ask questions at my gym only to be almost-ridiculed or told in a condescending way that they need to attend more classes. I felt sorry for the student and emailed the answer off-line. I’ve since refrained from asking questions. I’ve heard comments from other students saying they’re afraid to ask questions and that the gym’s top performers are cliquish and unapproachable.

If this is an affiliate, I can only imagine what HQ’s culture is like.

All this and less for $150+ per month!!!

Hey, man, you don't talk to the Couch. You listen to him. The
man's enlarged my mind. He's a poet-warrior in the classic
sense. I mean sometimes he'll, uh, well, you'll say hello to
him, right? And he'll just walk right by you, and he won't even
notice you. And suddenly he'll grab you, and he'll throw you in
a corner, and he'll say do you know that if is the middle
word in life? If you can keep your head when all about you are
losing theirs and blaming it on you, if you can trust yourself when
all men doubt you -- I mean I'm no, I can't -- I'm a little man, I'm a little
man, he's, he's a great man. I should have been a pair of ragged claws
scuttling across floors of silent seas

CultBuster wrote:

Jennifer Conlin Thinks it's pretty funny when "Men" hide behide nicknames and talk about others like a bunch of old women. Maybe they should just put their shit on the table like the big boys! Or maybe their balls are just really small! Anonymity...Ha!

I think she is talking about us.

CultBuster wrote: I find it telling that CFHQ has had no response to any of this.

Couch speaks.

http://twitter.com/CouchGlassman

Dear Coach Glassman,

I think we just had a big misunderstaning. First, to remove those sentences from the context that they were in changes the meaning completely. And of course over the internet, tone is never clear.

On the Dragon Door Forum, CrossFit was being slammed because you are known for attacking people personally when they disagree with you. I said “Greg says stupid shit all the time, and that doesn’t mean that CrossFit doesn’t work”, what I meant was that just because you attack people’s character, it bears no reflection on the CrossFit Program you have so brilliantly developed.

Then the other post was totally lighthearted, and if it offended you that was not my intention. If I made you feel bad about your injury, I totally apologize. It was not my intention at all to take a shot at your injury, and this truly is the problem of written word versus conversing in person. If you knew me, if we could talk, there would be no question that I’m not the kind of person who would ever do that. I didn’t think that saying you “had a gangsta limp” was at anyone’s expense. If I had a knee injury, I’d call it my gangsta limp. Nothing in that post was mean spirited or meant to hurt you. The whole post was a joke. No part of it was meant to have any mean spirit to it at all, and I'm guessing that the reason it occured as mean was because you still had a bad taste in their mouth from the NYT article or what all the other DDers were saying.

The Dragon Door crew was hammering that you weren’t a good Coach because you don’t work out. I lightheartedly said that “It’s not an injury, it’s a gangsta limp.” I never thought that you would take that badly at all. Truly, I thought if you read it you would have the opposite reaction. Like: "Hell with the NYT and the DD crew, it's gangsta limp." If I had thought for a second that you would take that in any way but fun, I would not have said it. I never thought it could be construed as mean spirited. And that it clearly landed poorly with you, I am truly, truly sorry. Really, it was totally my bad and I am sorry. I do not find great humor in your limp, and I never meant for it to appear that way, I am truly sorry.

I think this is totally a misunderstanding, and I totally get how you would be pissed off about it, and I take total responsibility for the fact that it didn't land right. I totally get where all of your points are coming from. I'm truly sorry that it made you feel that way. I just really want you to know that it was not my intention.

These were both in the midst of half a dozen posts I made defending CrossFit. Some of the posts I was totally serious. Other posts I was poking fun at how ridiculous the discussion had gotten. The whole time I was defending CrossFit. You mention that I might have been “trying desperately to make friends at Dragon Door”, trust me, there is nothing less popular a person could do than defend CrossFit at Dragon Door.

My apologies. I feel that the spirit of what I said came across way too harshly, and with your injury, completely the opposite of my intention. I never meant for this to occur as mean or spiteful, and I totally apologize.

This landmark, historic exchange also introduces us to the fact that Glassman doesn't care Crossfitters get injured, and that it was apparently common enough to develop the now infamous "STFU" therapy for hurt clients.

Josh Hillis

Josh Hillis,

You are making everything worse. Much worse.

“CrossFit was being slammed because you are known for attacking people personally when they disagree with you”

This is pure bull-shit. I attack the character of people for being unethical shitbags. It’s now your turn. I attacked one of your KB friends/elites for his racist comments and abuse of a young Pararescue trainee all for being black and wearing a CrossFit T-shirt at Pararescue jump-school where he is the bus driver. I attacked another guy’s character for taking a thread on CrossFit private sending G-Mac an email claiming to have secret knowledge of a gaggle of CrossFit-injured NSW personnel. G-Mac and the Doc’s at NSW know it’s a lie. The guy didn’t know of our work or contacts at NSW. He was suggesting, hell stating, that the NSW personnel considering CrossFit ought to come train with him and stay away from dangerous CrossFit. If ANYONE knows of an entire group hurt CrossFitting and can only talk about it privately they are being unethical. We all have an obligation to share first with the purveyor and then with the public any injuries endemic to any regimen. I couldn’t share all the details because G-Mac asked me not to let the dude know that he’d sent me the email. Shortly thereafter G-Mac released me from my promise. I challenged the guy to publicly deny my accusations of his unethical behavior. He never did.

You can't come up with an example of me attacking someones character for disagreeing with me. I can’t even imagine doing that. Most people disagree with me on most things and I don’t spend very much time attacking anyone. You are an asshole for saying so. Let’s be perfectly clear – I AM ATTACKING YOUR CHARACTER.

“The Dragon Door crew was hammering that you weren’t a good Coach because you don’t work out.”

Where did my not working out come from? It came from the NYT. Cooperman asked if I did the WOD every day. I said, “no, I’m usually experimenting on myself and others with protocols that will quickly be abandoned and it would be unethical to spread them to the community at large adding that most of what we monkey with will never make it to wider audience.” I also let her know that locally we only rarely do the WOD because I have better options, trainers, and equipment than does the cyber community of CrossFit. I also told her I had a penchant for bicycles that kept me from being as fit as I might. I was the original CrossFitter and I can, at 49, still outperform more CrossFitters than not.

And now I’m attacking your character for repeating the absurd charge. Note: not for you disagreeing with me but for your total lack of character in repeating that baseless NYT nonsense at DD and here. That it is coming from such incredibly weak performers as Jack (super-obese), you (9:40 70 lb, Fran), Stephen (26 minute Fran), and the rest of the best of the DD crew who perform at less than half the output of CrossFit women while also claiming CrossFit to be of limited efficacy (Here you’re innocent) makes me nauseous. Nearly all of the DD elite have either come to CrossFit and folded (very publicly collapsed and given up, come in last of 60+, been crushed by our women, rhabdoed) or hide behind nonsenical theoretical objections (e.g., adaptations are cyclic, not linear, therefor CF sucks, I'd like to see these CFers in 50 years, etc) and I have protected the reputations of all those who folded by never mentioning their limited fitness.

Poke fun of my limp as a friend – we’re cool. I’ve thicker skin than you’ll ever be able to understand. But when it comes from someone who falsely accuses me of routine character assassinations and stupidity, and sees fit to repeat NYT charges as fact, it becomes making fun of disability.

We have a therapy for injuries here at CrossFit called STFU. It’s your turn to take some. One more peep from you, Josh, and I'm going to ask and then follow Lynne Pitts recommendation on dealing with you. I'd take the STFU.

We have a therapy for injuries here at CrossFit called STFU. It’s your turn to take some. One more peep from you, Josh, and I'm going to ask and then follow Lynne Pitts recommendation on dealing with you. I'd take the STFU.

Danny John wrote:
Actually, this is true for all of us, I think. I would say it different, but the idea is the same. Sadly, it is hard to figure out what works and doesn't work, so rarely do you know if something is going to work with others. And, to be honest, I have yet to find something that actually doesn't work for at least a couple of weeks.
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Shafpocalypse Now wrote:Nah, I like Jen Conlin. She has a boxer.

She just friended me on facebook right after this broke.

Croatoa wrote:You know, I didn't think that rant was all that bad until the end:

We have a therapy for injuries here at CrossFit called STFU. It’s your turn to take some. One more peep from you, Josh, and I'm going to ask and then follow Lynne Pitts recommendation on dealing with you. I'd take the STFU.

I mean come on.

here's some stuff for the garm:
dave (who is married, has kids) was boning nicole, nicole was boning couch, couch and lauren were boning titty-nyc, couch has been boning lisa lugo. Nicole told lauren about both lisa and her boning greg. Nicole has been demoted to dave's "assistant".

Quack Attack wrote:A new birdie came to roost and told me this, some new info, some old by this point:

here's some stuff for the garm:
dave (who is married, has kids) was boning nicole, nicole was boning couch, couch and lauren were boning titty-nyc, couch has been boning lisa lugo. Nicole told lauren about both lisa and her boning greg. Nicole has been demoted to dave's "assistant".

No, Attilla, I don't have video. Would pron with couch in it still be watchable???