An interesting look at the ENTIRE situation, not an instantaneous glimps at one moment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... hPdH3wE0_Y
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
"I swear by my life and by my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine"
Re: Occupy Wall Street
The new mayor of SF finally grew a post-election pair and shut the camp down this morning. http://www.mercurynews.com/california/ci_19488002
I'll miss having to walk through these fine young fellows several times a day.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwykQ5G4hL8[/youtube]
I'll miss having to walk through these fine young fellows several times a day.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwykQ5G4hL8[/youtube]
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
All your bridge are belong to us!lasalle wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwykQ5G4hL8[/youtube]
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
He seems like a sensible lad. Taking over key bridges is typically a good strategic move.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
If I remember right, SF citizen's approval of how he'd handled this shit show since being in office was pretty low, wasn't it? Or was it just the last Asian Mayor?lasalle wrote:The new mayor of SF finally grew a post-election pair and shut the camp down this morning. http://www.mercurynews.com/california/ci_19488002
I'll miss having to walk through these fine young fellows several times a day.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwykQ5G4hL8[/youtube]
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
No wonder Henry Rollins never mentions he has a brother.lasalle wrote:The new mayor of SF finally grew a post-election pair and shut the camp down this morning. http://www.mercurynews.com/california/ci_19488002
I'll miss having to walk through these fine young fellows several times a day.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwykQ5G4hL8[/youtube]
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
Tuesday, December 6, 2011
My Occupy LA Arrest, by Patrick Meighan
My name is Patrick Meighan, and I’m a husband, a father, a writer on the Fox animated sitcom “Family Guy”, and a member of the Unitarian Universalist Community Church of Santa Monica.
I was arrested at about 1 a.m. Wednesday morning with 291 other people at Occupy LA. I was sitting in City Hall Park with a pillow, a blanket, and a copy of Thich Nhat Hanh’s “Being Peace” when 1,400 heavily-armed LAPD officers in paramilitary SWAT gear streamed in. I was in a group of about 50 peaceful protestors who sat Indian-style, arms interlocked, around a tent (the symbolic image of the Occupy movement). The LAPD officers encircled us, weapons drawn, while we chanted “We Are Peaceful” and “We Are Nonviolent” and “Join Us.”
As we sat there, encircled, a separate team of LAPD officers used knives to slice open every personal tent in the park. They forcibly removed anyone sleeping inside, and then yanked out and destroyed any personal property inside those tents, scattering the contents across the park. They then did the same with the communal property of the Occupy LA movement. For example, I watched as the LAPD destroyed a pop-up canopy tent that, until that moment, had been serving as Occupy LA’s First Aid and Wellness tent, in which volunteer health professionals gave free medical care to absolutely anyone who requested it. As it happens, my family had personally contributed that exact canopy tent to Occupy LA, at a cost of several hundred of my family’s dollars. As I watched, the LAPD sliced that canopy tent to shreds, broke the telescoping poles into pieces and scattered the detritus across the park. Note that these were the objects described in subsequent mainstream press reports as “30 tons of garbage” that was “abandoned” by Occupy LA: personal property forcibly stolen from us, destroyed in front of our eyes and then left for maintenance workers to dispose of while we were sent to prison.
When the LAPD finally began arresting those of us interlocked around the symbolic tent, we were all ordered by the LAPD to unlink from each other (in order to facilitate the arrests). Each seated, nonviolent protester beside me who refused to cooperate by unlinking his arms had the following done to him: an LAPD officer would forcibly extend the protestor’s legs, grab his left foot, twist it all the way around and then stomp his boot on the insole, pinning the protestor’s left foot to the pavement, twisted backwards. Then the LAPD officer would grab the protestor’s right foot and twist it all the way the other direction until the non-violent protestor, in incredible agony, would shriek in pain and unlink from his neighbor.
It was horrible to watch, and apparently designed to terrorize the rest of us. At least I was sufficiently terrorized. I unlinked my arms voluntarily and informed the LAPD officers that I would go peacefully and cooperatively. I stood as instructed, and then I had my arms wrenched behind my back, and an officer hyperextended my wrists into my inner arms. It was super violent, it hurt really really bad, and he was doing it on purpose. When I involuntarily recoiled from the pain, the LAPD officer threw me face-first to the pavement. He had my hands behind my back, so I landed right on my face. The officer dropped with his knee on my back and ground my face into the pavement. It really, really hurt and my face started bleeding and I was very scared. I begged for mercy and I promised that I was honestly not resisting and would not resist.
My hands were then zipcuffed very tightly behind my back, where they turned blue. I am now suffering nerve damage in my right thumb and palm.
I was put on a paddywagon with other nonviolent protestors and taken to a parking garage in Parker Center. They forced us to kneel on the hard pavement of that parking garage for seven straight hours with our hands still tightly zipcuffed behind our backs. Some began to pass out. One man rolled to the ground and vomited for a long, long time before falling unconscious. The LAPD officers watched and did nothing.
At 9 a.m. we were finally taken from the pavement into the station to be processed. The charge was sitting in the park after the police said not to. It’s a misdemeanor. Almost always, for a misdemeanor, the police just give you a ticket and let you go. It costs you a couple hundred dollars. Apparently, that’s what happened with most every other misdemeanor arrest in LA that day.
With us Occupy LA protestors, however, they set bail at $5,000 and booked us into jail. Almost none of the protesters could afford to bail themselves out. I’m lucky and I could afford it, except the LAPD spent all day refusing to actually *accept* the bail they set. If you were an accused murderer or a rapist in LAPD custody that day, you could bail yourself right out and be back on the street, no problem. But if you were a nonviolent Occupy LA protestor with bail money in hand, you were held long into the following morning, with absolutely no access to a lawyer.
I spent most of my day and night crammed into an eight-man jail cell, along with sixteen other Occupy LA protesters. My sleeping spot was on the floor next to the toilet.
Finally, at 2:30 the next morning, after twenty-five hours in custody, I was released on bail. But there were at least 200 Occupy LA protestors who couldn’t afford the bail. The LAPD chose to keep those peaceful, non-violent protesters in prison for two full days… the absolute legal maximum that the LAPD is allowed to detain someone on misdemeanor charges.
As a reminder, Antonio Villaraigosa has referred to all of this as “the LAPD’s finest hour.”
So that's what happened to the 292 women and men were arrested last Wednesday. Now let's talk about a man who was not arrested last Wednesday. He is former Citigroup CEO Charles Prince. Under Charles Prince, Citigroup was guilty of massive, coordinated securities fraud.
Citigroup spent years intentionally buying up every bad mortgage loan it could find, creating bad securities out of those bad loans and then selling shares in those bad securities to duped investors. And then they sometimes secretly bet *against* their *own* bad securities to make even more money. For one such bad Citigroup security, Citigroup executives were internally calling it, quote, "a collection of dogshit". To investors, however, they called it, quote, "an attractive investment rigorously selected by an independent investment adviser".
This is fraud, and it's a felony, and the Charles Princes of the world spent several years doing it again and again: knowingly writing bad mortgages, and then packaging them into fraudulent securities which they then sold to suckers and then repeating the process. This is a big part of why your property values went up so fast. But then the bubble burst, and that's why our economy is now shattered for a generation, and it's also why your home is now underwater. Or at least mine is.
Anyway, if your retirement fund lost a decade's-worth of gains overnight, this is why.
If your son's middle school has added furlough days because the school district can't afford to keep its doors open for a full school year, this is why.
If your daughter has come out of college with a degree only to discover that there are no jobs for her, this is why.
But back to Charles Prince. For his four years of in charge of massive, repeated fraud at Citigroup, he received fifty-three million dollars in salary and also received another ninety-four million dollars in stock holdings. What Charles Prince has *not* received is a pair of zipcuffs. The nerves in his thumb are fine. No cop has thrown Charles Prince into the pavement, face-first. Each and every peaceful, nonviolent Occupy LA protester arrested last week has has spent more time sleeping on a jail floor than every single Charles Prince on Wall Street, combined.
The more I think about that, the madder I get. What does it say about our country that nonviolent protesters are given the bottom of a police boot while those who steal hundreds of billions, do trillions worth of damage to our economy and shatter our social fabric for a generation are not only spared the zipcuffs but showered with rewards?
In any event, believe it or not, I'm really not angry that I got arrested. I chose to get arrested. And I'm not even angry that the mayor and the LAPD decided to give non-violent protestors like me a little extra shiv in jail (although I'm not especially grateful for it either).
I'm just really angry that every single Charles Prince wasn't in jail with me.
Thank you for letting me share that anger with you today.
Patrick Meighan
My Occupy LA Arrest, by Patrick Meighan
My name is Patrick Meighan, and I’m a husband, a father, a writer on the Fox animated sitcom “Family Guy”, and a member of the Unitarian Universalist Community Church of Santa Monica.
I was arrested at about 1 a.m. Wednesday morning with 291 other people at Occupy LA. I was sitting in City Hall Park with a pillow, a blanket, and a copy of Thich Nhat Hanh’s “Being Peace” when 1,400 heavily-armed LAPD officers in paramilitary SWAT gear streamed in. I was in a group of about 50 peaceful protestors who sat Indian-style, arms interlocked, around a tent (the symbolic image of the Occupy movement). The LAPD officers encircled us, weapons drawn, while we chanted “We Are Peaceful” and “We Are Nonviolent” and “Join Us.”
As we sat there, encircled, a separate team of LAPD officers used knives to slice open every personal tent in the park. They forcibly removed anyone sleeping inside, and then yanked out and destroyed any personal property inside those tents, scattering the contents across the park. They then did the same with the communal property of the Occupy LA movement. For example, I watched as the LAPD destroyed a pop-up canopy tent that, until that moment, had been serving as Occupy LA’s First Aid and Wellness tent, in which volunteer health professionals gave free medical care to absolutely anyone who requested it. As it happens, my family had personally contributed that exact canopy tent to Occupy LA, at a cost of several hundred of my family’s dollars. As I watched, the LAPD sliced that canopy tent to shreds, broke the telescoping poles into pieces and scattered the detritus across the park. Note that these were the objects described in subsequent mainstream press reports as “30 tons of garbage” that was “abandoned” by Occupy LA: personal property forcibly stolen from us, destroyed in front of our eyes and then left for maintenance workers to dispose of while we were sent to prison.
When the LAPD finally began arresting those of us interlocked around the symbolic tent, we were all ordered by the LAPD to unlink from each other (in order to facilitate the arrests). Each seated, nonviolent protester beside me who refused to cooperate by unlinking his arms had the following done to him: an LAPD officer would forcibly extend the protestor’s legs, grab his left foot, twist it all the way around and then stomp his boot on the insole, pinning the protestor’s left foot to the pavement, twisted backwards. Then the LAPD officer would grab the protestor’s right foot and twist it all the way the other direction until the non-violent protestor, in incredible agony, would shriek in pain and unlink from his neighbor.
It was horrible to watch, and apparently designed to terrorize the rest of us. At least I was sufficiently terrorized. I unlinked my arms voluntarily and informed the LAPD officers that I would go peacefully and cooperatively. I stood as instructed, and then I had my arms wrenched behind my back, and an officer hyperextended my wrists into my inner arms. It was super violent, it hurt really really bad, and he was doing it on purpose. When I involuntarily recoiled from the pain, the LAPD officer threw me face-first to the pavement. He had my hands behind my back, so I landed right on my face. The officer dropped with his knee on my back and ground my face into the pavement. It really, really hurt and my face started bleeding and I was very scared. I begged for mercy and I promised that I was honestly not resisting and would not resist.
My hands were then zipcuffed very tightly behind my back, where they turned blue. I am now suffering nerve damage in my right thumb and palm.
I was put on a paddywagon with other nonviolent protestors and taken to a parking garage in Parker Center. They forced us to kneel on the hard pavement of that parking garage for seven straight hours with our hands still tightly zipcuffed behind our backs. Some began to pass out. One man rolled to the ground and vomited for a long, long time before falling unconscious. The LAPD officers watched and did nothing.
At 9 a.m. we were finally taken from the pavement into the station to be processed. The charge was sitting in the park after the police said not to. It’s a misdemeanor. Almost always, for a misdemeanor, the police just give you a ticket and let you go. It costs you a couple hundred dollars. Apparently, that’s what happened with most every other misdemeanor arrest in LA that day.
With us Occupy LA protestors, however, they set bail at $5,000 and booked us into jail. Almost none of the protesters could afford to bail themselves out. I’m lucky and I could afford it, except the LAPD spent all day refusing to actually *accept* the bail they set. If you were an accused murderer or a rapist in LAPD custody that day, you could bail yourself right out and be back on the street, no problem. But if you were a nonviolent Occupy LA protestor with bail money in hand, you were held long into the following morning, with absolutely no access to a lawyer.
I spent most of my day and night crammed into an eight-man jail cell, along with sixteen other Occupy LA protesters. My sleeping spot was on the floor next to the toilet.
Finally, at 2:30 the next morning, after twenty-five hours in custody, I was released on bail. But there were at least 200 Occupy LA protestors who couldn’t afford the bail. The LAPD chose to keep those peaceful, non-violent protesters in prison for two full days… the absolute legal maximum that the LAPD is allowed to detain someone on misdemeanor charges.
As a reminder, Antonio Villaraigosa has referred to all of this as “the LAPD’s finest hour.”
So that's what happened to the 292 women and men were arrested last Wednesday. Now let's talk about a man who was not arrested last Wednesday. He is former Citigroup CEO Charles Prince. Under Charles Prince, Citigroup was guilty of massive, coordinated securities fraud.
Citigroup spent years intentionally buying up every bad mortgage loan it could find, creating bad securities out of those bad loans and then selling shares in those bad securities to duped investors. And then they sometimes secretly bet *against* their *own* bad securities to make even more money. For one such bad Citigroup security, Citigroup executives were internally calling it, quote, "a collection of dogshit". To investors, however, they called it, quote, "an attractive investment rigorously selected by an independent investment adviser".
This is fraud, and it's a felony, and the Charles Princes of the world spent several years doing it again and again: knowingly writing bad mortgages, and then packaging them into fraudulent securities which they then sold to suckers and then repeating the process. This is a big part of why your property values went up so fast. But then the bubble burst, and that's why our economy is now shattered for a generation, and it's also why your home is now underwater. Or at least mine is.
Anyway, if your retirement fund lost a decade's-worth of gains overnight, this is why.
If your son's middle school has added furlough days because the school district can't afford to keep its doors open for a full school year, this is why.
If your daughter has come out of college with a degree only to discover that there are no jobs for her, this is why.
But back to Charles Prince. For his four years of in charge of massive, repeated fraud at Citigroup, he received fifty-three million dollars in salary and also received another ninety-four million dollars in stock holdings. What Charles Prince has *not* received is a pair of zipcuffs. The nerves in his thumb are fine. No cop has thrown Charles Prince into the pavement, face-first. Each and every peaceful, nonviolent Occupy LA protester arrested last week has has spent more time sleeping on a jail floor than every single Charles Prince on Wall Street, combined.
The more I think about that, the madder I get. What does it say about our country that nonviolent protesters are given the bottom of a police boot while those who steal hundreds of billions, do trillions worth of damage to our economy and shatter our social fabric for a generation are not only spared the zipcuffs but showered with rewards?
In any event, believe it or not, I'm really not angry that I got arrested. I chose to get arrested. And I'm not even angry that the mayor and the LAPD decided to give non-violent protestors like me a little extra shiv in jail (although I'm not especially grateful for it either).
I'm just really angry that every single Charles Prince wasn't in jail with me.
Thank you for letting me share that anger with you today.
Patrick Meighan
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
Fuck Patrick Meighan, fuck his lilly white wholefoods shoping guilt, and fuck the rest of the OWS fags.
Also, fuck this 99% and the 1% nonsense.
I'm part of the 54% of people that are footing the bill for this sad excuse for a fascists state. Theese OWS clowns are out in the streets protesting against free markets, when we haven't had free markets for almost 100 years.
Sorry you dumb mother fuckers! The make believe unicorn is out of magic dust to shoot out of it's government spending asshole.
Also, fuck this 99% and the 1% nonsense.
I'm part of the 54% of people that are footing the bill for this sad excuse for a fascists state. Theese OWS clowns are out in the streets protesting against free markets, when we haven't had free markets for almost 100 years.
Sorry you dumb mother fuckers! The make believe unicorn is out of magic dust to shoot out of it's government spending asshole.
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That's right! Detain 'em forever, I say!Batboy2/75 wrote:Fuck Patrick Meighan, fuck his lilly white wholefoods shoping guilt, and fuck the rest of the OWS fags.
Also, fuck this 99% and the 1% nonsense.
I'm part of the 54% of people that are footing the bill for this sad excuse for a fascists state. Theese OWS clowns are out in the streets protesting against free markets, when we haven't had free markets for almost 100 years.
Sorry you dumb mother fuckers! The make believe unicorn is out of magic dust to shoot out of it's government spending asshole.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
Bux hates winners, like this one:
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Huh? I'm a huge fan of the Tebow
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BucketHead wrote:Huh? I'm a huge fan of the Tebow
"Liberalism is arbitrarily selective in its choice of whose dignity to champion." Adrian Vermeule
Re: Occupy Wall Street
Way to make assumptions you have no clue about.Batboy2/75 wrote:Fuck Patrick Meighan, fuck his lilly white wholefoods shoping guilt, and fuck the rest of the OWS fags.
Yeah! Fuck all that math, it's for suckers anyway.Batboy2/75 wrote:Also, fuck this 99% and the 1% nonsense.
Way to be constructive! It's precisely the "fascists state" he is working against, but fuck him. And who wants garbage like clean water or free speech anyway?Batboy2/75 wrote: I'm part of the 54% of people that are footing the bill for this sad excuse for a fascists state. Theese OWS clowns are out in the streets protesting against free markets, when we haven't had free markets for almost 100 years.
Luckily you are a fabulously wealthy self made man who can apparently afford his own magic dust, based on your posts.Batboy2/75 wrote:Sorry you dumb mother fuckers! The make believe unicorn is out of magic dust to shoot out of it's government spending asshole.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
wowBatboy2/75 wrote:Fuck Patrick Meighan, fuck his lilly white wholefoods shoping guilt, and fuck the rest of the OWS fags.
Also, fuck this 99% and the 1% nonsense.
I'm part of the 54% of people that are footing the bill for this sad excuse for a fascists state. Theese OWS clowns are out in the streets protesting against free markets, when we haven't had free markets for almost 100 years.
Sorry you dumb mother fuckers! The make believe unicorn is out of magic dust to shoot out of it's government spending asshole.
"Know that! & Know it deep you fucking loser!"
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total war....?
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Total war.Blaidd Drwg wrote:total war....?
I shudder at the thought of serious civil unrest.
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Fat Cat wrote:Way to make assumptions you have no clue about.Batboy2/75 wrote:Fuck Patrick Meighan, fuck his lilly white wholefoods shoping guilt, and fuck the rest of the OWS fags.
Yeah! Fuck all that math, it's for suckers anyway.Batboy2/75 wrote:Also, fuck this 99% and the 1% nonsense.
Way to be constructive! It's precisely the "fascists state" he is working against, but fuck him. And who wants garbage like clean water or free speech anyway?Batboy2/75 wrote: I'm part of the 54% of people that are footing the bill for this sad excuse for a fascists state. Theese OWS clowns are out in the streets protesting against free markets, when we haven't had free markets for almost 100 years.
Luckily you are a fabulously wealthy self made man who can apparently afford his own magic dust, based on your posts.Batboy2/75 wrote:Sorry you dumb mother fuckers! The make believe unicorn is out of magic dust to shoot out of it's government spending asshole.
He's not working against the facists state, not even close. The OWS tards are mad the facist state doesn't have any money for them or just refuses to give them any money. In the end it's all national socialism; they are all just arguing over the spoils. Doesn't matter if the Gvt bails out is for fat cat bankers or lilly white hipsters, it's all socialism. They are just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. It's all going to going down the drain. Our national fate was decided over 100 years ago.
Oh I'm sure the police are fucking with their rights. However, I can't get worked up over a bunch of nanny state socialist OWS fuck sticks, getting fucked over by their socialist political masters. The major of LA is a La Raza socialist turd. I love it that his hand was forced to handle the spoiled children of the socialist state. The irony is just fucking delicious. If it wasn't for elections, Villraigosa would be out chanting socilist slogans with the OWS losers.
Luck has nothing to do with my income or success. My income as professional business to business sales consultant , unlike most people, is directly tied to my performance. I also live way below my means, because I know what it's like to have nothing. I save and scrimp while others live off of their parents well into their 30s. I have no credit card debt. Outside of my house, I have nothing that isn't paid for 100%. I live within my means and practice self control. I save and invest money for the hard times. But you wonder why I can't relate to a bunch of no work ethic socialist tards that have 50K in college loans for a worthless journalism degree?
I can also say (without reservation) that I've made my own way in the world. I didn't have a college fund, I worked 40-50 hrs a week for 5 years to put myself through college, I never took out college loans, I was never given a allowance; I worked. The only people that get any credit are my parents. Both of whom were born into crushing poverty that would have these OWS punks sucking their thumbs and in the fetal position. My parents and my family, not the fucking socialist state or the "village", are the only ones that can claim any sort of credit for my success. However, at the age of 18 I was on my own to make my way on my own. There was no trust fund or parents paying for anything. It was, "Your a fucking man, go out and make your way in the world". I wasn't told "Don't worry he Gvt will take care of your non working ass and give you a trophy for coming in dead last"
If my self made man status bothers you, then that is your problem, not mine.
Envy,Guilt, & Shame are the driving forces behind the OWS movement supporters.
Arms are the only true badge of liberty. The possession of arms is the distinction of the free man from the slave.
I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.
I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.
Re: Occupy Wall Street
Or maybe they just don't like the corrupt system.Batboy2/75 wrote:Envy,Guilt, & Shame are the driving forces behind the OWS movement supporters.
Nah! They are fucking losers, amirite?!??
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Bats needs to adjust his perspective, that is clearly. I'm here to help.
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protobuilder wrote:Or maybe they just don't like the corrupt system.Batboy2/75 wrote:Envy,Guilt, & Shame are the driving forces behind the OWS movement supporters.
Nah! They are fucking losers, amirite?!??
By demanding more socialism? Yeah, sure thing. They are fucking losers to the nth degree.
They haven't figured out that Gvt shouldn't be in the business of rewarding anyone. They don't want an end to a corrupt system, they want the corrupt system to just focus on them.
Arms are the only true badge of liberty. The possession of arms is the distinction of the free man from the slave.
I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.
I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
Battyboi, you seem to agree that a problem exists. I'm just curious, can you propose some kind of a solution?
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
In John Heilemann's cover story "2012=1968?," he wonders whether Occupy Wall Street protesters will do to Charlotte's Democratic National Convention in the summer of 2012 what demonstrators did to the Chicago DNC in 1968. The North Carolina city, sometimes called the "Wall Street of the South," is not taking any chances, and is already working to pass an ordinance that would make occupying downtown spaces with tents a "public nuisance," in addition to banning "noxious substances," padlocks, and other camping equipment. The fact that it would knock out the city's current overnight demonstrators is an added bonus.
Charlotte Mayor Anthony Foxx said dubiously last month that the rule, which could be enacted in January, is not aimed at a specific group. "Unlike many cities that have well-developed regulations governing protest activity, our local regulations contain gaps that need to be filled," he said. But a memo about the ordinance does note, "The recent issues related to camping on city property have further amplified the need to review whether the city wants to regulate this activity during the DNC." A city councilman added of the current Occupy Charlotte faction, "Once those ordinances go into effect, those overnight stays will end."
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/12/ch ... t-dnc.html
Apparently occupy folks are not hopey changey types.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
Sure, but my solution has a snowballs chance in hell of being implemented or popular. Some of my solutions, but not all.PC Polar Circle Person wrote:Battyboi, you seem to agree that a problem exists. I'm just curious, can you propose some kind of a solution?
Government
Repeal the 16 & 17 amendments
New amendment imposing term limits on congress and the senate
New amendment- limiting political contributions and activity to indivual citizens
New Ammendment establishing the USA as a neutral country
Abolish the Federal Reserve
Abolish public employee Unions
End the welfare state- Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc.
End Freddy and Fannie Mae
End all subsidies- agriculture, Business, & education
End all foreign aid
Abolish the departments of Energy, education, and homeland security
Withdrawal of all troops from around the globe-except those killing rag heads
Declaration of war against radical Islamic groups-while neutral, we put the savages on notice we mean business
Culture
Foster a return to the American ideals of hard work, self suficiency, and civic virtue
Stop treating the poor with kid gloves- as Benjamin Franklin once said- they need to be driven from poverty. The problem is not lack of opportunity, but culture.
End this empty headed notion that everyone needs to go to college or has to go to college to be successful
Everyone leaves everyone else alone- stop meddling in people's private and family affairs
The biggest changes are taking the stick away from politicians. Without direct taxes to control people, politicians would mostly be ignored. Limit their terms to fuck with their plans for accumulating power and limit the harm they can cause.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
I like a lot of your ideas Batboy. A few things I'd like to see added:
Without an income tax, there needs to be some way of raising revenue. So we'd need either an excise tax or value added tax or some other method of generating the funds the government needs to operate. Given, without extending ourselves allover hell's half acre trying to police the word, we wouldn't need to raise nearly as much.
The other thing I'd love to see our government do is pass a balanced budget amendment. The books must balance at the end of the year or there would be a one-time tax levied to make up the difference, unless there is a super majority vote in both houses. Let the politicians actually have to go to the people to get the money they spend and you wouldn't see nearly as much reckless spending. Easy to toss around a few hundred billion $ when you just get the Fed to print it out of thin air or you go begging to China for it. It's another thing altogether to tell the people to pony up at the end of the year.
Without an income tax, there needs to be some way of raising revenue. So we'd need either an excise tax or value added tax or some other method of generating the funds the government needs to operate. Given, without extending ourselves allover hell's half acre trying to police the word, we wouldn't need to raise nearly as much.
The other thing I'd love to see our government do is pass a balanced budget amendment. The books must balance at the end of the year or there would be a one-time tax levied to make up the difference, unless there is a super majority vote in both houses. Let the politicians actually have to go to the people to get the money they spend and you wouldn't see nearly as much reckless spending. Easy to toss around a few hundred billion $ when you just get the Fed to print it out of thin air or you go begging to China for it. It's another thing altogether to tell the people to pony up at the end of the year.
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Re: Occupy Wall Street
I think I would agree with most of that, but I don't even pretend to have enough knowledge to be sure. How should one go about to achieve these kind of changes, if not by protesting the current situation?Batboy2/75 wrote:Sure, but my solution has a snowballs chance in hell of being implemented or popular. Some of my solutions, but not all.PC Polar Circle Person wrote:Battyboi, you seem to agree that a problem exists. I'm just curious, can you propose some kind of a solution?
Government
Repeal the 16 & 17 amendments
New amendment imposing term limits on congress and the senate
New amendment- limiting political contributions and activity to indivual citizens
New Ammendment establishing the USA as a neutral country
Abolish the Federal Reserve
Abolish public employee Unions
End the welfare state- Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc.
End Freddy and Fannie Mae
End all subsidies- agriculture, Business, & education
End all foreign aid
Abolish the departments of Energy, education, and homeland security
Withdrawal of all troops from around the globe-except those killing rag heads
Declaration of war against radical Islamic groups-while neutral, we put the savages on notice we mean business
Culture
Foster a return to the American ideals of hard work, self suficiency, and civic virtue
Stop treating the poor with kid gloves- as Benjamin Franklin once said- they need to be driven from poverty. The problem is not lack of opportunity, but culture.
End this empty headed notion that everyone needs to go to college or has to go to college to be successful
Everyone leaves everyone else alone- stop meddling in people's private and family affairs
The biggest changes are taking the stick away from politicians. Without direct taxes to control people, politicians would mostly be ignored. Limit their terms to fuck with their plans for accumulating power and limit the harm they can cause.