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Re: hot enough for ya?

Post by dead man walking » Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:59 am

Sangoma wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:02 am
the eventual conflict that leads to socialist revolution.
because of the over-reach of the oligarchs, it's coming soon to your neighborhood

"44 percent of millennials would prefer to live in a socialist country, compared with 42 percent who want to live under capitalism"
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Post by Turdacious » Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:55 pm

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Turd, at least read some Internet summary of Marxism before you commit to statements. As I said, there is a lot on 1500 pages of Das Kapital. If you want to mark the "key points", that would be class struggle, the ownership of the means of production, exploitation of the proletariat by the bourgeoisie and the eventual conflict that leads to socialist revolution. Also, according to Marx, communism - which was very vaguely defined in his work and was just an idea built on the critique of the existing socio-economic reality - was envisioned as much the result of technological advancement as much as the evolution of human views.
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Post by dead man walking » Tue Dec 12, 2017 9:14 pm

donkey, your climate change apologist in huntsville, alabama needs to get his ass to alaska
The temperature in Barrow had been warming so fast this year, the data was automatically flagged as unreal and removed from the climate database. It was done by algorithms that were put in place to ensure that only the best data gets included in NOAA’s reports.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/cap ... e866549d23
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Post by DrDonkeyLove » Tue Dec 12, 2017 10:09 pm

dead man walking wrote:
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donkey, your climate change apologist in huntsville, alabama needs to get his ass to alaska
The temperature in Barrow had been warming so fast this year, the data was automatically flagged as unreal and removed from the climate database. It was done by algorithms that were put in place to ensure that only the best data gets included in NOAA’s reports.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/cap ... e866549d23
Since I only believe science that fits my preconceived notions, I don't accept that study.

That said, you might enjoy the Barrow Sea Ice Cam. When I'm feeling sorry for myself in Feb/March because of the endless winter where I live, I sometimes look at it to feel better. You might get something more scientifical out of it.
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Post by dead man walking » Wed Dec 13, 2017 2:46 pm

winter just rolled in yesterday here. i've got to go outside and plow the driveway, but i'm putting it off, hoping for the climate to change, as predicted.
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Post by Herv100 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:28 am

Bwahahahahahaahahahaha!

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Post by dead man walking » Fri Dec 29, 2017 6:25 am

yes, haha indeed.

the stupidity of the man: can't distinguish weather from climate.

this would help

http://www.climatecentral.org/gallery/g ... ecord-lows
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Post by Herv100 » Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:28 pm

#triggered
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Post by nafod » Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:27 pm

#numbedtostupidity

But he could have posted a link to this picture of temp variations from average that the government he runs generated. Some blue, way more red.

That's me in the dark blue, new snowblower ready to go.

#bringiton

EDIT: this picture appears to update continuously. Cool. I'm not so blue today.

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Post by dead man walking » Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:30 pm

semi-serious question: reports say trump is a "visual learner." he likes pictures--tables, charts (comic books?).

when he tweets his brrrr-it's-cold-today stupidity, is there anyone who says to him, "hey pumpkin muffin, here's a neat map of temperatures around the world."

or is he protected in his cocoon of ignorance?
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Post by nafod » Sat Dec 30, 2017 12:12 am

dead man walking wrote:
Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:30 pm
semi-serious question: reports say trump is a "visual learner." he likes pictures--tables, charts (comic books?).

when he tweets his brrrr-it's-cold-today stupidity, is there anyone who says to him, "hey pumpkin muffin, here's a neat map of temperatures around the world."

or is he protected in his cocoon of ignorance?
If these guys were to talk about it, he'd be aware.

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Post by Turdacious » Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:50 pm

Fer DMW
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Post by Turdacious » Sat Dec 30, 2017 4:53 pm

Little Al's thinking about you in this one DMW.
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Post by Sangoma » Mon Jan 15, 2018 12:53 am

Media’s silence of the climate scams
How lucky to have gatekeepers such as the ABC, SBS and Fairfax Media to protect us from the likes of Climate Depot founder Marc Morano, recently here promoting his documentary Climate Hustle?

Thanks to mainstream media censorship, Morano’s groundbreaking film, which promised a heretical fact-finding journey through the propaganda-laced world of climate change, was denied publicity. Described as “the most dangerous documentary of the year”, Climate Hustle “exposes the myth of the 97 per cent ‘scientific’ consensus, debunks hype about temperature and extreme weather, and introduces viewers to key scientists who have reversed their views and converted to scepticism”.

Fortunately, Al Gore had no difficulty finding the media opportunities Morano couldn’t, to push his apocalyptic movie An Inconvenient Sequel. It continues the scaremongering of Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth. Like the first, it’s full of scary weather videos and features, Gore reminding us that we are at a tipping point with the result that our children will inherit a world of “stronger storms, wor­sening floods, deeper droughts, mega-fires, tropical diseases spreading through vulnerable populations in all parts of the Earth, melting ice caps flooding coastal cities, unsurvivable heat extremes, and hundreds of millions of climate refugees”. Facts don’t stand in the way of a good story. But, then, most who consider this movie a “must see” will take delight in having their fantasies and prejudices confirmed.

The movie shamelessly promotes green tech, a field in which Gore is a successful investor. His advocacy and political access are believed to have made him the world’s first “carbon billionaire”. But that’s the self-serving nature of climate-change politics. It confers wealth and privilege on its boosters. Doubters are banished.

Take the generous financial rewards and status showered on scientists who discover human links to global warming. Under the cloak of academic authority, junk science regularly passes uncritically into the mainstream as credible research. School and university students are indoctrinated with the catastrophic warming faith “so that science can ­advance” (and sceptics can be ­silenced).

Crony capitalists are encouraged to invest in renewable energy through attractive taxpayer subsidies. We are told the crippling costs of renewable energy targets are the price we must pay to save the planet. Energy poverty and the premature death of the elderly through lack of affordable heating are downplayed or accepted as collateral damage.

Much of the media volunteered as propagandists, refusing to report fully and accurately, or even to report at all. Extreme weather events continue to be hyped as proof of reckless human activity when no causation is proved. Against predictions and record human emissions, the decline during the past decade in the frequency and intensity of storms and other natural catastrophes goes largely unreported. And there has been no measurable warming for the past 19 years. Who knew?

But catastrophic climate change is about political power. Using Malthusian environmental ideology, the climate movement is aimed at what can loosely be called the Western way of life. How else to explain the Paris Agreement under which, for their sins, rich nations must hobble their economies and compensate poor countries so that the largest emitters, China, India and Russia, can emit freely? Donald Trump spotted this idiocy and quit the agreement.

But even the thuggishness of the climate establishment can’t hide the intellectual corruption behind it all or the willingness of scientists to compromise their work for generous grants and political influence. We’ve had access to thousands of emails and computer files from leading scientists revealing data manipulation, collusion to keep raw data from independent examination and scientific journals pressured to reject contradictory studies.

Australian scientist Jennifer Marohasy recently outed the Bureau of Meteorology for limiting the lowest temperature that an individual weather station can record. If this is accepted practice, no wonder American physicist Charles Anderson declares “it is now perfectly clear that there are no reliable worldwide temperature records”.

And on it goes. John Theon, retired chief of NASA’s Climate Processes Research Program and responsible for all weather and climate research, testified that “scientists have manipulated the observed data to justify their model results”. Then, politically inspired to have the maximum possible impact on world leaders attending the 2015 Paris climate conference, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration issued an exaggerated report based on unverified data. Esteemed scientist Hal Lewis resigned in disgust from the American Physical Society, saying climate change “is the greatest and most successful pseudoscientific fraud I have seen in my long career”.

Despite it all, climate science is defended to the death. Invalidate it and “the greatest moral challenge of our generation” unravels and, with it, a compelling reason to meddle in others’ lives.

While publicly politicians refuse to discuss the science, they feast on its alarmism. But they cannot forever feign ignorance of the scientific fraud deeply embedded in its core. Australians are waking up. They are growing suspicious of Labor premiers genuflecting to Gore, promising zero net emissions by 2050 and questioning the Turnbull government’s virtue signalling for staying with the Paris Agreement. Slowly it is dawning on them that they and future generations are being played for fools, paying a horrifying price and enduring pointless pain, for spurious “save the planet” propaganda.
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Post by nafod » Mon Jan 15, 2018 2:55 pm

Marc Morano (born 1968) is a former Republican political aide who founded and runs the website ClimateDepot.com...He has a bachelor's degree...in political science...He began his career working for Rush Limbaugh from 1992 to 1996...In April 2009, despite having no formal education in the field of climate science, Morano founded and became executive editor of ClimateDepot.com
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Post by tough old man » Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:50 pm

can't distinguish weather from climate.

this would help

http://www.climatecentral.org/gallery/g ... ecord-lows
This seems to be a very real issue. I've seen some old farmers get it recently though.
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Post by Sangoma » Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:33 pm

Both responses are very typical. Attack the character of the opponent (denialist :-#) - though I don't remember comments of the same kind regarding Al Gore. Build a straw man - climate vs weather, even though the point made was media bias rather than climate trends. Even though a decade long data can hardly be dismissed a s weather. The "debate" continues.
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Post by nafod » Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:14 pm

Sangoma wrote:
Tue Jan 16, 2018 9:33 pm
Attack the character of the opponent (denialist :-#) - though I don't remember comments of the same kind regarding Al Gore.
Didn't attack the character of the opponent, did question his motives and expertise. Kind of like how the opponent sideways suggested Gore's motives aren't pure.
The movie shamelessly promotes green tech, a field in which Gore is a successful investor.
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Nafod: 'but her emails '
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Post by dead man walking » Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:37 pm

the "new normal"

2017--2d (or 3d, depending) hottest year on record.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... -2017.html

5 warmest years since 2010

http://www.climatecentral.org/gallery/g ... -on-record
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Post by dead man walking » Fri Jan 19, 2018 10:50 pm

temperatures at the australian open are higher than 100 degrees fahrenheit and higher than 150 on the court.

roger federer reported seeing a doctor wearing a large sign that said: "it's weather, not climate."

the wizened little man told federer, "my name is sangoma. i vant to be buried in russia."
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Post by Sangoma » Sat Jan 20, 2018 12:19 am

And then the doctor pulled out the chart of the 30-year max temperatures in Melbourne...

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Seeing that, a man wearing a wife beater shirt with the caption "I am a dead man" started sobbing and tried to take his pants off. :dense:
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Post by dead man walking » Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:54 pm

that chart appears to show temperatures increasing, which is the point. here's more about climate in the land of oz. one sampling, and there is more to be found at the link:
Very warm months that occurred just over 2 per cent of the time during the period 1951 to 1980 occurred nearly 7 per cent of the time during 1981 to 2010, and around 10 per cent of the time over the past 15 years. At the same time the frequency of very cool months has declined by around a third since the earlier period.
https://www.climatechangeinaustralia.go ... an-trends/
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Post by Sangoma » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:15 am

Yeah, the temperature is increasing. By about one degree Celsius since 1961-1890. If you reconcile it with the quote in my earlier post, that the Bureau of Meteorology in Australia is limiting the lowest temperature that an individual weather station can record - what do you make of this increase?

I know it will fall on dead ears, but I will repeat it nevertheless. I am not arguing that temperatures are increasing, I am not convinced that it is due to human activity. In this light I am not really moved by Federer's complaints about the weather.

By the way, if you wonder around the site you posted you will find this:
Consistent with global studies, an increase in the proportion of heavy rainfall has been detected over Australia. The fraction of Australia receiving a high proportion (greater than the 90th percentile) of annual rainfall from extreme rain days (greater than the 90th percentile for 24 hour rainfall) has been increasing since the 1970s. Significant regional variability exists, with the east coast region experiencing a significant decrease in extreme rain events since 1950. There is also an increase in the fraction of Australia receiving summer (December to February, accumulated) rainfall that is above the 90th percentile.
That's exactly what this continent needs: decrease of rain in the coastal regions (more tourists) and increase of rain inland (farmers). Trust me, no farmer in Australia will ever complain about increasing rain. Would you wonder why this fact - the positive side of increasing temperatures - is not discussed in the media?
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