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A little harder to watch football now

Post by nafod » Sat Sep 02, 2017 5:36 pm

Can't help but think about the college athletes getting CTE from the hits. Game is going to have to change in some manner. We know too much. That data set of 110 out of 111 players with brain damage...even with the selection bias in the brains they looked at.

This statistic is amazing. The brains are the same size as before, and just as sensitive to impact.
On Alabama’s undefeated 1966 team, only 21 percent of the players weighed more than 200 pounds. The heaviest weighed 223; the linemen averaged 194. The quarterback, who weighed 177, was Ken Stabler, who went on to a Hall of Fame NFL career — and to “moderately severe” CTE before death from cancer. Today, many high school teams are much beefier than the 1966 Crimson Tide. Of the 114 members of Alabama’s 2016 squad, just 25 weighed less than 200 and 20 weighed more than 300. In 1980, only three NFL players weighed 300 or more pounds. Last season, 390 weighed 300 pounds or more, and six topped 350.
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Re: A little harder to watch football now

Post by syaigh » Sat Sep 02, 2017 7:26 pm

I know and train a number of kids who havr had more than one concussion by age 15. Girls and boys, football, volleyball, soccer, horsebackriding, etc from impacts during games/training. It makes me wonder if in our hyper competitive youth sport and achievement frenzy if we truly dont actually care anymore as long as we can brag about ehat our kids are doing. All these kids are still doing the activities that gave them the concussion and a lot of them have some lasting disability, headaches, trouble concentrating, etc. Seriously makes me want to slap some parents.
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Re: A little harder to watch football now

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syaigh wrote:
Sat Sep 02, 2017 7:26 pm
I know and train a number of kids who havr had more than one concussion by age 15. Girls and boys, football, volleyball, soccer, horsebackriding, etc from impacts during games/training. It makes me wonder if in our hyper competitive youth sport and achievement frenzy if we truly dont actually care anymore as long as we can brag about ehat our kids are doing. All these kids are still doing the activities that gave them the concussion and a lot of them have some lasting disability, headaches, trouble concentrating, etc. Seriously makes me want to slap some parents.
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Re: A little harder to watch football now

Post by Turdacious » Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:31 pm

As a kid I regularly rode bikes and skateboards without a helmet, played impromptu tackle football and smear the queer, and insulted and was insulted by my friends in heterosexist terms that displayed cisgender insensitivity.
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Re: A little harder to watch football now

Post by baffled » Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:53 pm

OMG, that is so traditional you are literally a Nazi.
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Re: A little harder to watch football now

Post by syaigh » Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:33 pm

Turdacious wrote:
Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:31 pm
As a kid I regularly rode bikes and skateboards without a helmet, played impromptu tackle football and smear the queer, and insulted and was insulted by my friends in heterosexist terms that displayed cisgender insensitivity.
did you have three concussions by the age of 14?
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Re: A little harder to watch football now

Post by syaigh » Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:36 pm

baffled wrote:
Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:52 pm
syaigh wrote:
Sat Sep 02, 2017 7:26 pm
I know and train a number of kids who havr had more than one concussion by age 15. Girls and boys, football, volleyball, soccer, horsebackriding, etc from impacts during games/training. It makes me wonder if in our hyper competitive youth sport and achievement frenzy if we truly dont actually care anymore as long as we can brag about ehat our kids are doing. All these kids are still doing the activities that gave them the concussion and a lot of them have some lasting disability, headaches, trouble concentrating, etc. Seriously makes me want to slap some parents.
What?
said kid's parents are routinely boasting on fb about their sports and activities, no mention of their cognitive damage. So, makes me think that they care more about the boasting than the cognitive issues. Maybe I'm wrong, but I've heard a lot of crazy shit from these folks that makes me think they are fucking nuts. And only care about being a part of a sport they think is cool.

Or maybe I don't know what you mean by "what?".

but, seriously, its disturbing what people think its okay to let their kids suffer through as long as they are "cool".
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Re: A little harder to watch football now

Post by Turdacious » Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:54 pm

syaigh wrote:
Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:33 pm
Turdacious wrote:
Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:31 pm
As a kid I regularly rode bikes and skateboards without a helmet, played impromptu tackle football and smear the queer, and insulted and was insulted by my friends in heterosexist terms that displayed cisgender insensitivity.
did you have three concussions by the age of 14?
At 14 I was a scrawny kid who was always playing outside, and was a JV squad defensive end (I had to defend against a three man sweep out of a T formation against varsity guys every practice. I wasn't good but I knew the unwritten rules.). I'm guessing yes and guess that most of the guys I grew up with had multiple concussions from fights, bike wrecks, games at recess, contact sports, and generally be dumbasses without helicopter parents. I'd guess that most of the guys that post here had multiple concussions by age 14. But it was hurtful words that did the real damage...
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Re: A little harder to watch football now

Post by Turdacious » Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:56 pm

syaigh wrote:
Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:36 pm
baffled wrote:
Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:52 pm
syaigh wrote:
Sat Sep 02, 2017 7:26 pm
I know and train a number of kids who havr had more than one concussion by age 15. Girls and boys, football, volleyball, soccer, horsebackriding, etc from impacts during games/training. It makes me wonder if in our hyper competitive youth sport and achievement frenzy if we truly dont actually care anymore as long as we can brag about ehat our kids are doing. All these kids are still doing the activities that gave them the concussion and a lot of them have some lasting disability, headaches, trouble concentrating, etc. Seriously makes me want to slap some parents.
What?
said kid's parents are routinely boasting on fb about their sports and activities, no mention of their cognitive damage. So, makes me think that they care more about the boasting than the cognitive issues. Maybe I'm wrong, but I've heard a lot of crazy shit from these folks that makes me think they are fucking nuts. And only care about being a part of a sport they think is cool.

Or maybe I don't know what you mean by "what?".

but, seriously, its disturbing what people think its okay to let their kids suffer through as long as they are "cool".
There's no law against assholes reproducing. When's the last time you went to a kids soccer game and didn't want to curb stomp one of the parents?
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Re: A little harder to watch football now

Post by buckethead » Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:48 am

That's why I made my kid do MMA

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Re: A little harder to watch football now

Post by syaigh » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:11 am

Turdacious wrote:
Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:56 pm
syaigh wrote:
Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:36 pm
baffled wrote:
Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:52 pm
syaigh wrote:
Sat Sep 02, 2017 7:26 pm
I know and train a number of kids who havr had more than one concussion by age 15. Girls and boys, football, volleyball, soccer, horsebackriding, etc from impacts during games/training. It makes me wonder if in our hyper competitive youth sport and achievement frenzy if we truly dont actually care anymore as long as we can brag about ehat our kids are doing. All these kids are still doing the activities that gave them the concussion and a lot of them have some lasting disability, headaches, trouble concentrating, etc. Seriously makes me want to slap some parents.
What?
said kid's parents are routinely boasting on fb about their sports and activities, no mention of their cognitive damage. So, makes me think that they care more about the boasting than the cognitive issues. Maybe I'm wrong, but I've heard a lot of crazy shit from these folks that makes me think they are fucking nuts. And only care about being a part of a sport they think is cool.

Or maybe I don't know what you mean by "what?".

but, seriously, its disturbing what people think its okay to let their kids suffer through as long as they are "cool".
There's no law against assholes reproducing. When's the last time you went to a kids soccer game and didn't want to curb stomp one of the parents?
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Re: A little harder to watch football now

Post by dead man walking » Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:07 pm

are there actually more concussions today, or is there simply greater awareness and better diagnosis?

like turd, as kids we played football, ice hockey, and whatnot from age 10 on. guys got their bell rung. sometimes someone would check a kid's pupils to see if they dilated. he might have to sit out for a bit. i was knocked out twice that i recall. but a concussions was when you got knocked out and then threw up. i didn't throw up, so i wasn't concussed.

i don't remember anyone who had lingering headaches. today we all have keen intellects and great powers of reason.
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Re: A little harder to watch football now

Post by climber511 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:43 pm

I grew up in the 50s and 60s - no doubt had several minor concussions from living the active life of a kid. One pretty major one at age 15 from a car wreck - head swelled up like a pumpkin and they talked about drilling a hole in my head. Then got blown up in Vietnam - I've had a very low grade headache since then (1969).

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Re: A little harder to watch football now

Post by dead man walking » Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:58 pm

climber511 wrote:
Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:43 pm
I grew up in the 50s and 60s - no doubt had several minor concussions from living the active life of a kid. One pretty major one at age 15 from a car wreck - head swelled up like a pumpkin and they talked about drilling a hole in my head. Then got blown up in Vietnam - I've had a very low grade headache since then (1969).
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Re: A little harder to watch football now

Post by Shapecharge » Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:42 pm

Slightly off topic but I'm amazed and a bit weirded out by the whole "select" sports industry. I've sat back and watched friends pour thousands of dollars into hockey, soccer, and volleyball totally convinced their kids were going to get that D1 scholarship only to have the whole thing spiral down into nothing. But then I do have one friend that scraped and sacrificed even staying late at night cleaning the facilities to defray the costs of membership and managed to wrangle a volleyball scholarship to a small NAIA school in South Carolina for his daughter so occasionally there's a success story in there.

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Re: A little harder to watch football now

Post by JimZipCode » Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:04 pm

Shapecharge wrote:
Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:42 pm
watched friends pour thousands of dollars into hockey, soccer, and volleyball totally convinced their kids were going to get that D1 scholarship only to have the whole thing spiral down into nothing.
Leaving aside the 1-in-10,000 or whatever odds of any particular kid becoming good enough to compete in college athletics, most of those parents are doing it wrong. Early specialization is the enemy of later athletic excellence. Athletes need a broad base. Those kids need to be playing multiple sports.
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Re: A little harder to watch football now

Post by dead man walking » Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:30 pm

JimZipCode wrote:
Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:04 pm
Shapecharge wrote:
Wed Sep 06, 2017 1:42 pm
watched friends pour thousands of dollars into hockey, soccer, and volleyball totally convinced their kids were going to get that D1 scholarship only to have the whole thing spiral down into nothing.
Leaving aside the 1-in-10,000 or whatever odds of any particular kid becoming good enough to compete in college athletics, most of those parents are doing it wrong. Early specialization is the enemy of later athletic excellence. Athletes need a broad base. Those kids need to be playing multiple sports.
that's what we did back in the day. i don't know that early specialization is necessarily wrong, though, at least for those competing in individual sports. for example, the best figure skaters and tennis players were early specialists,

i played the usual range of boys sports and went on to play d1 hockey, but the skill level in my day, when shape was a sperm in his mother's vagina, was far lower than today.
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Re: A little harder to watch football now

Post by nafod » Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:25 pm

dead man walking wrote:
Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:07 pm
are there actually more concussions today, or is there simply greater awareness and better diagnosis?
The statistic on how yuge football players have gotten suggest they are suffering more concussions and more micro-concussions (the every play helmet contact) due to more energy in the collisions.
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Post by dead man walking » Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:41 pm

nafod wrote:
Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:25 pm
dead man walking wrote:
Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:07 pm
are there actually more concussions today, or is there simply greater awareness and better diagnosis?
The statistic on how yuge football players have gotten suggest they are suffering more concussions and more micro-concussions (the every play helmet contact) due to more energy in the collisions.
good point.

i was wondering about concussions among kids, but they too are bigger and faster than in the past, so i suppose there are more addled brains.
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Re: A little harder to watch football now

Post by Turdacious » Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:34 pm

dead man walking wrote:
Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:58 pm
climber511 wrote:
Wed Sep 06, 2017 12:43 pm
I grew up in the 50s and 60s - no doubt had several minor concussions from living the active life of a kid. One pretty major one at age 15 from a car wreck - head swelled up like a pumpkin and they talked about drilling a hole in my head. Then got blown up in Vietnam - I've had a very low grade headache since then (1969).
and yet here you are today, fit and sane and sharp, which is more than turd can say.
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Re: A little harder to watch football now

Post by syaigh » Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:50 pm

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/279 ... m=referral

Really sad story. Heartbreaking.

I don't understand the whole full contact tackle football starting at age 5.
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Re: A little harder to watch football now

Post by johno » Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:28 pm

Not only the players' weights. Remember: F = M X your 40 speed

The solution is to mandate that only scrawny white & asian kids play football. Let the more physically gifted join Chess Club.
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Re: A little harder to watch football now

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johno wrote:
Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:28 pm
Let the more physically gifted join Chess Club.
That's what I did! And look at me today.
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