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Louis CK Fesses Up

Post by Grandpa's Spells » Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:56 pm

http://ew.com/tv/2017/11/10/louis-c-k-statement/

Ew.com is right.

Good for him, under the circumstances.
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Re: Louis CK Fesses Up

Post by JimZipCode » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:00 pm

That's about as complete a statement as one could ever want to see, given the circumstances.
This one bummed me, I have liked CK very much.

I asked on a very liberal hipster forum, whether CK could ever be forgiven. Curious if there will be any yes's.
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Re: Louis CK Fesses Up

Post by dead man walking » Fri Nov 10, 2017 10:53 pm

how many times does louis ck mention how admired he is?
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Re: Louis CK Fesses Up

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dead man walking wrote:
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how many times does louis ck mention how admired he is?
lol quite a bit
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Post by Bram » Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:59 am

Refreshing to see someone own up, versus calling the women ugly liars. My god we have a rapey culture nowadays. Depressing as fuck.
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Post by dead man walking » Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:23 am

colo state legislator just accused by several women, including a fellow legislator. he's a dem.

i don't think our culture is rapey-er than before. victims are just getting uppity.
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Re: Louis CK Fesses Up

Post by JimZipCode » Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:43 am

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i don't think our culture is rapey-er than before. victims are just getting uppity.
Like when Obama was elected. I don't think our culture was suddenly more racist then before....
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Post by Grandpa's Spells » Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:47 am

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Refreshing to see someone own up, versus calling the women ugly liars. My god we have a rapey culture nowadays. Depressing as fuck.
Not being accused of a felony makes a big difference.
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Re: Louis CK Fesses Up

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Refreshing to see someone own up, versus calling the women ugly liars. My god we have a rapey culture nowadays. Depressing as fuck.
Not sure it's more rapey, victims are just more talkative and corporations are realizing that the consequences of coverups and continued association with rapists are both expensive-- and that's a good thing.

Even Trip Advisor is learning.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/08/trav ... nings.html

Now I'm just waiting for nafod to try and make this whole thread about the POTUS.
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Post by syaigh » Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:13 am

Then there are other genetic problems that no one understands. One of the worst cases was the rapist roosters. I wrote about them in Animals in Translation. Fortunately, the broiler industry has made some genetic changes to correct these problems, although there’s still a way to go. The rapist roosters violently attack hens and injure and even kill them. Before the 1990s there weren’t any rapist roosters. They just suddenly appeared out of the blue. First it was just one strain of roosters that had become aggressive but within a couple of years almost all strains had developed the same behavior. Nobody knows why.

The rapist roosters have two problems: They are hyperaggressive and they have stopped doing the courtship dance the hen needs to see before she will mate. They’ve lost the little piece of genetic code that makes them do the dance. When the hens don’t see the courtship dance, they don’t become sexually, which may make the roosters’ aggression worse. An unreceptive hen would be a form of frustration because it is a restraint on the rooster’s action. So the RAGE system would be activated to some degree.

When I wrote Animals in Translation it looked like the rapist roosters were a side effect of the industry’s selective breeding program to create chickens with bigger breasts for more white meat. But now researchers aren’t sure what caused it, or whether the hyper-aggression and the bad courtship behavior are the same problem or two different problems that happened at the same time. Industry breeding programs are trade secrets. It’s obvious the industry is selectively breeding for larger breast size because breast size is getting larger. But we don’t know what other selective breeding programs the industry might be using.

Ian Duncan has an interesting theory about what might have happened. Dr. Duncan points out that big-breasted male birds have trouble mating because their huge chests get in the way. Male turkeys have such big breasts now that they can’t mate at all and the hens have to be artificially inseminated.

Dr. Duncan says that if the same thing is happening to male chickens, the broiler breeder industry may have misdiagnosed the problem. When broiler breeders see chickens with decreased fertility, they attribute the problem to low sex drive. It’s possible that the breeders who created rapist roosters were actually trying to increase roosters’ sex drive. If the breeders selected for higher libido they could have mistaken a little bit of aggressive behavior toward the hen for higher sex drive and ended up breeding hyper-aggressive roosters that for some reason had also lost their courtship dance. We’ll probably never know.

Today the aggressive rooster problem has been greatly reduced although it hasn’t been eradicated.
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Post by The Ginger Beard Man » Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:00 am

Does anyone have any insight into how it's possible that any adult male thinks it's in any way acceptable to whack off in front of a woman? Do they think it's less rapey? Help me understand this.
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Re: Louis CK Fesses Up

Post by buckethead » Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:23 am

Didn’t Joseph masturbate in front of Mary?

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Post by nafod » Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:56 am

Thank you, bux
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Re: Louis CK Fesses Up

Post by syaigh » Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:20 pm

The Ginger Beard Man wrote:
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Does anyone have any insight into how it's possible that any adult male thinks it's in any way acceptable to whack off in front of a woman? Do they think it's less rapey? Help me understand this.
If they demonstrate how much fun it is to play with, then logically, others will also want to play. Sort of like when you are five and only want yo play with what the other kids have because it looks like more fun. But you'd think they'd know better otherwise this would be a major theme in porn. (Maybe it is, I would imagine more so in gay porn).
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Re: Louis CK Fesses Up

Post by dead man walking » Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:26 pm

The Ginger Beard Man wrote:
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Does anyone have any insight into how it's possible that any adult male thinks it's in any way acceptable to whack off in front of a woman? Do they think it's less rapey? Help me understand this.
according to louis ck, he asked the women first.

he did not, however, wait for them to say, "yes."

also, several commentators have noted that louis ck didn't actually apologize in his statement. he acknowledged the stories are true, but didn't say, "sorry," "i apologize," or the like.
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Re: Louis CK Fesses Up

Post by Turdacious » Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:47 pm

dead man walking wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:26 pm
The Ginger Beard Man wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:00 am
Does anyone have any insight into how it's possible that any adult male thinks it's in any way acceptable to whack off in front of a woman? Do they think it's less rapey? Help me understand this.
according to louis ck, he asked the women first.

he did not, however, wait for them to say, "yes."

also, several commentators have noted that louis ck didn't actually apologize in his statement. he acknowledged the stories are true, but didn't say, "sorry," "i apologize," or the like.
In private, though, he appears to have acknowledged his behavior.

In 2009, six years after their phone call, Ms. Schachner received a Facebook message from Louis C.K., apologizing. “Last time I talked to you ended in a sordid fashion,” he wrote in the message, which was reviewed by The Times. “That was a bad time in my life and I’m sorry.” He added that he had seen some of Ms. Schachner’s comedy and thought she was funny. “I remember thinking what a repulsive person I was being by responding the way that I did,” he wrote.

Ms. Schachner accepted his apology and told him she forgave him. But the original interaction left her deeply dispirited, she said, and was one of the things that discouraged her from pursuing comedy.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/09/arts ... v=top-news
IMHO this is the big difference between CK and the rest- he apologized personally, and did so without the aid of his publicists and lawyers, before he was outed.
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Post by dead man walking » Sat Nov 11, 2017 2:58 pm

did he apologize to all personally? i hadn't read that.
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Post by Turdacious » Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:18 pm

dead man walking wrote:
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did he apologize to all personally? i hadn't read that.
No idea, but even apologizing to one person before he has to practically makes him a saint by Hollywood standards.
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Re: Louis CK Fesses Up

Post by The Ginger Beard Man » Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:21 pm

buckethead wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:23 am
Didn’t Joseph masturbate in front of Mary?
Over 2,000 years ago. He also married a 13 year old- over 2,000 years ago. standards should have changed.
Anyway, I'm not sure how I missed that in years of religion classes, but i guess it's just one more reason not to take the Bible so seriously.
Also, Louis CK and Harvey W don't strike me as guys who take much inspiration from the Bible, but I guess maybe it's imprinted in a way I just can't grasp.
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Post by JimZipCode » Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:24 pm

My wife reports to me that there are a lot of criticisms of CK's statement, floating around. The criticisms are pretty nitpicky. The statement uses words like "remorseful" and "regret" etc. It seems far MORE "apologetic" than basically every similar statement I've ever seen.

The one thing the statement doesn't do is request forgiveness. I personally kinda like that. It's more stuck in penance mode than in "please forgive me and let's move on" mode. That's a big departure from most publicity statements.
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Post by The Ginger Beard Man » Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:36 pm

JimZipCode wrote:
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My wife reports to me that there are a lot of criticisms of CK's statement, floating around. The criticisms are pretty nitpicky. The statement uses words like "remorseful" and "regret" etc. It seems far MORE "apologetic" than basically every similar statement I've ever seen.

The one thing the statement doesn't do is request forgiveness. I personally kinda like that. It's more stuck in penance mode than in "please forgive me and let's move on" mode. That's a big departure from most publicity statements.
He obviously thinks he can avoid Oprah. That will not stand.
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Re: Louis CK Fesses Up

Post by dead man walking » Sat Nov 11, 2017 5:22 pm

Turdacious wrote:
Sat Nov 11, 2017 3:18 pm
dead man walking wrote:
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did he apologize to all personally? i hadn't read that.
No idea, but even apologizing to one person before he has to practically makes him a saint by Hollywood standards.
or presidential or fox news standards
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