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Pocahontas On the warpath

Post by nafod » Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:36 am

Ha, she got tested and has some good old 'merkin indian in her blood.
Trump promised to donate $1 million to the charity of Warren’s choice if she released the results of a genetic test that proved Native American heritage.
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Post by Schlegel » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:09 am

She just shot herself in the foot. I think she was hoping for better and is counting on ignorance about the tests and what they can actually show to shield her from negatives.
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Post by nafod » Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:55 pm

She just shot herself in the foot.
She did that when she claimed NA status on some survey form back in the day, based on a percentage point or so. I figured it was unlikely she actually had that heritage, and it is kind of cool that the test confirmed the family lore.

This actually hits close to home. My mom knew for a fact that there was Indian blood in her background, and I grew up listening to the story, and stated it as fact myself. Lots of jokes about casinos. She also wore an "I'm a Deplorable" shirt to vote, and had nothing nice to say about Warren.

Last Spring my daughter used a 23andMe kit and got her results back. Lots of interesting stuff on both sides...but no NA at all. Told my mom, who ran off and got a kit too, and...zero. Nothing close. Big ripple through the family on her side.

There must be a lot of people thinking they have some NA heritage, because it is a question addressed in their FAQ near the top. From WaPo...
...a sixth- or seventh-generation Kentuckian, grew up hearing she had Native American ancestry, a common narrative for families with unexplained dark complexions. So, in 2014, she mailed in her saliva sample to find out...the bigger surprise was that I have a significant amount of sub-Saharan markers
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Post by syaigh » Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:54 pm

Its interesting, the Cherokee are not amused: http://www.wunc.org/post/determining-wh ... oskin-says
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Post by Turdacious » Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:31 pm

Warren’s Great great grandpa was Chief Biggus Dickus.
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Post by powerlifter54 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:49 pm

Dances with Dumbass keeps on giving.

To make up for the dearth of DNA from Native American tribes in the United States, Bustamante matched Warren’s DNA with samples from indigenous peoples in Mexico, Peru, and Colombia.

Those samples can be used as a substitute for Native American tribes, geneticists said, because Native Americans first came through the Bering Strait about 12,000 years ago, and then migrated from what’s now the United States into Central and South America.

“Dr. Bustamante is one of the world’s experts in this, and his analyses are not junk science but legitimate and unambiguous,” said Jennifer A. Raff, an anthropological geneticist at the University of Kansas who specializes in Native American population history.

Raff and others cautioned, however, that just because Warren has Native American ancestry does not mean she can claim to be Native American.

“If you’re talking about creating authenticity and legitimacy around being indigenous, it really has to be about knowing and understanding your culture and your history,” said Keolu Fox, a genome scientist at University of California San Diego, who is Native Hawaiian.
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Post by Blaidd Drwg » Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:53 pm

This psychopathic cunt claimed a status utterly not entitled to by direct lineage or by culture. How anyone right or left can abide this nonsense is beyond me.
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Post by nafod » Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:04 pm

Speaking of cunts...
“We will take that little kit -- but we have to do it gently. Because we’re in the #MeToo generation, we have to do it gently,” he said. “And we will very gently take that kit, and slowly toss it, hoping it doesn’t injure her arm, and we will say: I will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you’re an Indian.”
So she called his bluff, took the kit, took the test, and it shows she has the heritage she said she has.

But of course now...
"If she gets the nomination in the debate where I was going to have her tested," Trump said.
What a mother-*&%-ing cheap-ass billionaire cunt. She called his bluff and he is too much of a pussy to own up and donate to a charity.

A charity.

What a cunt he is.
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Post by Schlegel » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:20 pm

Anything at 3% or less is unreliable. Not enough alleles checked to get reliable statistics. And few markers are a yes/no, they are spread around in different frequencies. 0.1% is not a positive distinguishable from statistical noise.
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Post by Schlegel » Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:34 pm

Although I do think Trump should write the check. He should make it out for 1/1024th of a million and explain that it satisfies the conditions because it has "million dollar heritage".
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Post by Blaidd Drwg » Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:27 pm

I am deeply confused here....

Is Nafod actually arguing that Warren proved ANY native American Heritage? Let alone a specific tribe? This is math...this is not a partisan issue.
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Post by Fat Cat » Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:06 pm

My understanding is that she has demonstrated that her test results were consistent with someone who has between 1/64 and 1/1,024 native American (north, central, or south) or Siberian genetic component. No more or less.
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Post by nafod » Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:08 pm

Blaidd Drwg wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:27 pm
I am deeply confused here....

Is Nafod actually arguing that Warren proved ANY native American Heritage? Let alone a specific tribe? This is math...this is not a partisan issue.
I am accepting Dr. Bustamante's assertion that her DNA test strongly supports the hypothesis that she's got some injun blood in her. He's the dude in this line of research. If Trump didn't want to accept the results of the test, he shouldn't have offered a million dollars to take the test. But he's an idiot.

Definitely do not assert that you could narrow it down to any tribe.

Definitely think she was a dumbass for ever checking the native-American block on any sort of official form ever. Even if she knew 100% her heritage. Six generations ago and no time on the reservation = not a tribe member.

Trump challenged her to take test, offering to hit her in the head with a 23AndMe box, and she took it (the equivalent) and got the result, which matches up with the percentage expected based on family lore, and it is as affirmative as a test right now can be, and that fuck-nut should now pay.
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Post by Blaidd Drwg » Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:29 pm

Riddle me this. We are at a party, I casually drop in conversation that I'm deeply proud of my Blackfoot heritage. In fact, I'm the first Blackfoot to admitted to the faculty of my local Community College. It's readily apparent I'm as anglo as King Fucking George....You ask...

"Wow...did you grow up on the Rez?"
no...
"Oh...Which of your parents did?"
none....
"Must have had close relatives that identified with this cultural and ethnographic background..."
Nope.


"Hmmmm....Did you take a genetic test of some kind to determine this?"

Oh yeah...it came back as within the margin for error of virtually zero AND...it approximates to about as "native" as every motherfucker in the room....

IDC what political games you play, the person who make that assertion on that paucity of evidence, advances their career on the backs of actual sacrifice by peoples who have the most legit beef with the American narrative as Anyone...This person is a fucking asshole. Not a Dumbass...A fraudulent bit of dogshit. You know it...I know it. It's tantamount to stolen valor motherfuckers like Garm himself.

Trump is not the issue.....The issue is, the math is clear. She's no more native than any other motherfucker walking down the street in her district...and considerably less native than ANYONE who can trip the scales of that test above near fuckin zero.
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Post by JimZipCode » Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:40 pm

Blaidd Drwg wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:53 pm
This psychopathic cunt claimed a status utterly not entitled to by direct lineage or by culture. How anyone right or left can abide this nonsense is beyond me.
When?

Wikipedia has this:
In April 2012, The Boston Globe sparked a campaign controversy by reporting that from 1986 to 1995 Warren had listed herself as a racial minority in the Association of American Law Schools (AALS) Directory of Law Teachers.
Their footnote points to the original Boston Globe piece, here: https://web.archive.org/web/20130903193 ... s_and_90s/

She checked a box in her info form for a directory of law teachers, some 30 years ago? Not even an employment application or application for a scholarship or anything like that, just background info for a directory of professionals in her field?
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Post by JimZipCode » Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:58 pm

Blaidd Drwg wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:29 pm
...advances their career on the backs of actual sacrifice by peoples who have the most legit beef with the American narrative as Anyone...
That hasn't been demonstrated. If I have my Wikipedia facts straight (questionable), then by the time she was listed in that directory of law teachers, she had already taught at Rutgers, U of Houston, U of Texas, UMich, UT Austin, and was about to join UPenn.

This piece from the Boston Globe, from about six weeks ago, seems to be an exhaustive investigation into her hiring at Harvard:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation ... story.html
The Globe closely reviewed the records, verified them where possible, and conducted more than 100 interviews with her colleagues and every person who had a role in hiring decisions about Warren who could be reached. In sum, it is clear that Warren was viewed as a white woman by the hiring committees at every institution that employed her.

Warren’s political enemies have long pushed a narrative that her unsubstantiated claims of Native American heritage turbocharged her legal career. But it is clear that Warren was viewed as a white woman by the hiring committees at every institution that employed her.

Warren’s political enemies have long pushed a narrative that her unsubstantiated claims of Native American heritage turbocharged her legal career. But it is clear that Warren was viewed as a white woman by the hiring committees at every institution that employed her.
Among the records were some never examined before by a newspaper, including one key form that a University of Pennsylvania professor kept tucked away for three decades.

That previously undisclosed report reveals that the hiring committee at Penn, where Warren worked from 1987 to 1995, viewed her as a white female applicant. Moreover, the committee went to some pains to explain on this form why she was selected over several minorities to fill a faculty position.

Not until she had been teaching at Penn for two years did she authorize the university to change her personnel designation from white to Native American, the records show.

The Globe also reviewed, for the first time, a Harvard University human resources form showing that Warren first listed her ethnicity as Native American nearly five months after she started her tenured position at Harvard and 2½ years after she was there as a visiting professor and first offered the job.
They have artwork too, of some change-of-ethnicity form that's dated years after her hire (I think from Penn, not Harvard).

They also have this compilation of pull quotes, from people involved in her hiring at Harvard:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation ... story.html

It doesn't seem she tried to use it to advance her career, at all. It seems to have been entirely personal.
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Post by Blaidd Drwg » Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:59 pm

She's claimed it dozens and dozens of times...remember High Cheekbones?

She's got the fucking BULLSHIT story on her damn website FFS...

If Politics isn't the ultimate form of career advancement I'm not sure what planet you're living on?

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Post by nafod » Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:00 pm

Blaidd Drwg wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:29 pm
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Trump is not the issue.....The issue is, the math is clear. She's no more native than any other.
Trump is the issue because Trump made it the issue with his big fat dumbass pie hole.

He challenged her to get tested, offered to pay $1,000,000 if she took a test and it came back positive, she did, it came back what you would expect for what her family said, he should pay.

It really is that simple unless you are a weasel trying to get out of an obligation, which Trump specializes in. So now he claims he didn’t say what he said on tape in front of a few thousand people, and of course the DNA technology which is revolutionizing everything is now junk science, all to avoid giving up what is pocket lint for a billionaire. If he is a billionaire.
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nafod wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:00 pm
Blaidd Drwg wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:29 pm
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Trump is not the issue.....The issue is, the math is clear. She's no more native than any other.
Trump is the issue because Trump made it the issue with his big fat dumbass pie hole.

He challenged her to get tested, offered to pay $1,000,000 if she took a test and it came back positive, she did, it came back what you would expect for what her family said, he should pay.

It really is that simple unless you are a weasel trying to get out of an obligation, which Trump specializes in. So now he claims he didn’t say what he said on tape in front of a few thousand people, and of course the DNA technology which is revolutionizing everything is now junk science, all to avoid giving up what is pocket lint for a billionaire. If he is a billionaire.

OK...How about this....Trump Pays Double..>Fucking Triple ..IDC..

She steps down from political office for being a lying sack of shit advancing her political carrier off of Trail of Tears Stolen Valor?

I'm happy to watch Trump burn for anything and everything. She's still a cunt that should be ridiculed out of public life. Whther she gor caught out by the GOP or by a Dem challenger. She's dogshit.
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Post by Fat Cat » Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:06 pm

Part of the problem with the Dems is they keep advancing these idiots and their identity politics games; it's a total disaster. If they stay on this path, it really will be Trump again in 2020.
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Post by JimZipCode » Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:19 pm

Blaidd Drwg wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:59 pm
She's got the fucking BULLSHIT story on her damn website FFS...
Is it bullshit? The Globe thing is focused entirely on her hirings into the 90s. Seems well-researched.
(I haven't personally verified a single thing in it, and won't ever try.)


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She's claimed it dozens and dozens of times...remember High Cheekbones?
Not at all.
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Post by Fat Cat » Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:04 pm

JimZipCode wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:19 pm
Blaidd Drwg wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:59 pm
She's got the fucking BULLSHIT story on her damn website FFS...
Is it bullshit? The Globe thing is focused entirely on her hirings into the 90s. Seems well-researched.
(I haven't personally verified a single thing in it, and won't ever try.)


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Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:59 pm
She's claimed it dozens and dozens of times...remember High Cheekbones?
Not at all.
Would you say that this whole episode represents positive exposure for Miss Warren?
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Post by nafod » Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:28 pm

Blaidd Drwg wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 10:05 pm

OK...How about this....Trump Pays Double..>Fucking Triple ..IDC..

She steps down from political office for being a lying sack of shit advancing her political carrier off of Trail of Tears Stolen Valor?

I'm happy to watch Trump burn for anything and everything. She's still a cunt that should be ridiculed out of public life. Whther she gor caught out by the GOP or by a Dem challenger. She's dogshit.
I am in general with you. The Indian thing is her email server Achilles heel. Never should have checked the block, can't unfuck the goat. It never would have occurred to me in a million million years to check the the "NA" block if my 6th gen back was NA. She should have just bought herself a wolf shirt.

But really, unfortunately, sadly, in this climate, is what she did disqualifying? Trump probably did fuck a goat or two, along with some trannies. It wouldn't even make his top 100 of things he should have been disqualified for.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Let her run her martyrdom operation against the Great Pumpkin. Maybe they'll both go down.

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