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Re: What to make of the election?

Post by Grandpa's Spells » Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:33 pm

Fat Cat wrote:
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Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:19 pm
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Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:48 pm
Just spoke with my buddy who is an army vet. Lots of talk about these ex military guys getting a group and fixing the problem if the governors don't. Guys who haven't adjusted well to being home again and are itching tune up domestic terrorists.
Call the FBI. Your friends are the domestic terrorists.
Uh, friend: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_comitatus
The posse comitatus (from the Latin for "power of the county"), in common law, is a group of people mobilized by the conservator of peace – typically a sheriff – to suppress lawlessness or defend the county. The posse comitatus originated in ninth century England simultaneous with the creation of the office of sheriff.
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Re: What to make of the election?

Post by Fat Cat » Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:37 pm

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Trump just needs to show up with his bible.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/escalatin ... ted-states
First, far-right terrorism has significantly outpaced terrorism from other types of perpetrators, including from far-left networks and individuals inspired by the Islamic State and al-Qaeda. Right-wing attacks and plots account for the majority of all terrorist incidents in the United States since 1994, and the total number of right-wing attacks and plots has grown significantly during the past six years. Right-wing extremists perpetrated two thirds of the attacks and plots in the United States in 2019 and over 90 percent between January 1 and May 8, 2020. Second, terrorism in the United States will likely increase over the next year in response to several factors. One of the most concerning is the 2020 U.S. presidential election, before and after which extremists may resort to violence, depending on the outcome of the election. Far-right and far-left networks have used violence against each other at protests, raising the possibility of escalating violence during the election period.
I'd be glad to spray the protestors with fire hoses, but it'd help if cops could stop shooting people in the back or kneeling on their neck until dead. That's the root cause here.
Read this and then tell me you really want to cite the CSIS ever again:

A recent New York Times article (8/7/16) detailed, in often scathing terms, what many media critics already knew: that think tanks are frequently not objective, neutral arbiters of information, but corporate- and government-funded agenda-promoters with an academic veneer to give the appearance of impartiality.


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Re: What to make of the election?

Post by Fat Cat » Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:41 pm

Grandpa's Spells wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:33 pm
Fat Cat wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:22 pm
Grandpa's Spells wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:19 pm
Hanglow Joe wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:48 pm
Just spoke with my buddy who is an army vet. Lots of talk about these ex military guys getting a group and fixing the problem if the governors don't. Guys who haven't adjusted well to being home again and are itching tune up domestic terrorists.
Call the FBI. Your friends are the domestic terrorists.
Uh, friend: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_comitatus
The posse comitatus (from the Latin for "power of the county"), in common law, is a group of people mobilized by the conservator of peace – typically a sheriff – to suppress lawlessness or defend the county. The posse comitatus originated in ninth century England simultaneous with the creation of the office of sheriff.
You didn't read far enough short stuff: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_com ... ted_States

Every law enforcement officer is bound to execute the penal warrants given to him to execute. He may summon to his assistance, either in writing or orally, any of the citizens of the neighborhood or county to assist in the execution of such warrants. The acts of the citizens formed as a posse by such officer shall be subject to the same protection and consequences as official acts.
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Re: What to make of the election?

Post by nafod » Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:42 pm

LOLOLOL Trump's own DHS knows of the right wing terror threat.

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Re: What to make of the election?

Post by Sua Sponte » Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:46 pm

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As I understand it, Billy the Kid was invited to this dealership to help protect it from rioters. Adjacent dealerships had already been burned, and the owner invited folks onto his property to help protect it. Now, assuming for a moment that this is true, was what the kid was doing actually "open carry" if he was on private property with his lawfully-obtained firearm?
According to WI law any person under the age of 18 (but over the age of 14) is committing a Class A misdemeanor by possessing a firearm unless using the firearm for hunting or target practice under the supervision of an adult.

http://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statute ... tes/948/55

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Re: What to make of the election?

Post by Sua Sponte » Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:49 pm

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"White" is a concept created when ethnic euro urban catholics were cleansed from the cities by eastern seaboard WASPs and Jews.

"Whites" are the victims of Elite WASP and Jewish ethnic animus.

And if you know those groups, it becomes clear that they did it increase returns on usury.
I originate from the East Coast and Catholics there seem to be doing well, prospering and proliferating. Often times with Jewish wives.
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Re: What to make of the election?

Post by Fat Cat » Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:53 pm

Sua Sponte wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:46 pm
Fat Cat wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:58 pm
As I understand it, Billy the Kid was invited to this dealership to help protect it from rioters. Adjacent dealerships had already been burned, and the owner invited folks onto his property to help protect it. Now, assuming for a moment that this is true, was what the kid was doing actually "open carry" if he was on private property with his lawfully-obtained firearm?
According to WI law any person under the age of 18 (but over the age of 14) is committing a Class A misdemeanor by possessing a firearm unless using the firearm for hunting or target practice under the supervision of an adult.

http://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statute ... tes/948/55
Thank you, that seems pretty clear then.
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Re: What to make of the election?

Post by Grandpa's Spells » Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:15 pm

Fat Cat wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:41 pm
Grandpa's Spells wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:33 pm
Fat Cat wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:22 pm
Grandpa's Spells wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:19 pm
Hanglow Joe wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:48 pm
Just spoke with my buddy who is an army vet. Lots of talk about these ex military guys getting a group and fixing the problem if the governors don't. Guys who haven't adjusted well to being home again and are itching tune up domestic terrorists.
Call the FBI. Your friends are the domestic terrorists.
Uh, friend: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_comitatus
The posse comitatus (from the Latin for "power of the county"), in common law, is a group of people mobilized by the conservator of peace – typically a sheriff – to suppress lawlessness or defend the county. The posse comitatus originated in ninth century England simultaneous with the creation of the office of sheriff.
You didn't read far enough short stuff: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_com ... ted_States

Every law enforcement officer is bound to execute the penal warrants given to him to execute. He may summon to his assistance, either in writing or orally, any of the citizens of the neighborhood or county to assist in the execution of such warrants. The acts of the citizens formed as a posse by such officer shall be subject to the same protection and consequences as official acts.
I missed the part where the "ex military guys getting a group and fixing the problem if governors don't" included "in conjunction and with the consent of local law enforcement."
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Re: What to make of the election?

Post by Sua Sponte » Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:23 pm

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I missed the part where the "ex military guys getting a group and fixing the problem if governors don't" included "in conjunction and with the consent of local law enforcement."
What you did was make a gross assumption about what was meant by ex military guys getting a group and fixing the problem if governors don't. Not a word was said in any direction about how they'd seek resolution. You assumed, perhaps because they are ex-mil and that's where one of your many bigotries lies, that something nefarious was meant. Called them domestic terrorists. Shame on you.

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Re: What to make of the election?

Post by Grandpa's Spells » Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:26 pm

Your friends need a fluffer for their jerkoff fantasies. Hop to it.
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Re: What to make of the election?

Post by Sua Sponte » Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:29 pm

Why? Your mother is doing a fine job of it.

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Re: What to make of the election?

Post by Bennyonesix1 » Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:43 pm

Sua Sponte wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 7:49 pm
Bennyonesix1 wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:16 pm

"White" is a concept created when ethnic euro urban catholics were cleansed from the cities by eastern seaboard WASPs and Jews.

"Whites" are the victims of Elite WASP and Jewish ethnic animus.

And if you know those groups, it becomes clear that they did it increase returns on usury.
I originate from the East Coast and Catholics there seem to be doing well, prospering and proliferating. Often times with Jewish wives.
They were ethnically cleansed from their urban neighborhoods.

Because they had garnered too much political and labor power.

The melting pot metaphor was created to deal with urban Catholic political power.

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Re: What to make of the election?

Post by Fat Cat » Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:45 pm

Grandpa's Spells wrote:
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Your friends need a fluffer for their jerkoff fantasies. Hop to it.
That's beneath you SPELLS. Your two dads taught you better than that. A simple apology will do.
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Re: What to make of the election?

Post by newguy » Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:48 pm

Hanglow Joe wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 6:48 pm
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Legal question, since as SPELLS pointed out, I'm just not that bright: is it open carry if you're carrying it on private property you were invited on to by the owner?
Spells is the dumbest motherfucker on here. Has been for years. Kid deserves a silver star for killing 3 criminals in self defense. Has the situational awareness of a Jedi.

Just spoke with my buddy who is an army vet. Lots of talk about these ex military guys getting a group and fixing the problem if the governors don't. Guys who haven't adjusted well to being home again and are itching tune up domestic terrorists.
This is pretty clear. Group of ex military guys who haven't adjusted. Not happy with that they see as governors not fixing the problems of urban unrest. They can't wait to "tune up" the looters and rioters.

That's not okay.

I mean, are you really okay with this?

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Re: What to make of the election?

Post by Fat Cat » Fri Aug 28, 2020 9:01 pm

newguy wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:48 pm
This is pretty clear. Group of ex military guys who haven't adjusted. Not happy with that they see as governors not fixing the problems of urban unrest. They can't wait to "tune up" the looters and rioters.

That's not okay.
Not okay? LMAO are you gonna tell him to clean his room next? You dear sweet summer child, that golden blanket of comforting conformity you are clutching is fraying.

Here's what's really "not okay", Karen: Democratic shtetl-ites like that bugeyed Governor Evers of Wisconsin siding with rioters and encouraging pandemonium on the streets of the communities he's sworn to serve over the lawful shooting of a child molester like Blake.

If he, or Jay Inslee, or Kate Brown leaves the common people to fend for themselves against hordes of violent, ethno-narcissistic criminals, what can they do but band together to protect their communities? At that point, it's a moral imperative.
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Re: What to make of the election?

Post by Sua Sponte » Fri Aug 28, 2020 9:03 pm

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Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:48 pm

This is pretty clear. Group of ex military guys who haven't adjusted. Not happy with that they see as governors not fixing the problems of urban unrest. They can't wait to "tune up" the looters and rioters.

That's not okay.
What's not okay? That they haven't adjusted well. Most I know, recently home or here quite a while, aren't well adjusted to most of what's going on. Seems pretty natural to be upset about gross violence, hundreds of millions in destruction, police and innocent civilians being severely injured or murdered openly with the government standing off to the side and letting it happen, in some cases openly supporting it. With some media applauding. Ex-mil are coming home from foreign lands where they were sent by the very same govt to at least attempt to stop the same.

Don't know many, either, after seeing video of complete innocents, men, women and children, some quite elderly, most incapable of defending themselves, being assaulted by mobs, leaving them severely or permanently injured or killed, who don't have at least a fleeting moment of thought about wanting to take a Louisville slugger to some of these thugs. Or are we at the point that the bad people are those who think bad things about the bad people.

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Re: What to make of the election?

Post by newguy » Fri Aug 28, 2020 9:28 pm

Sua Sponte wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 9:03 pm
newguy wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:48 pm

This is pretty clear. Group of ex military guys who haven't adjusted. Not happy with that they see as governors not fixing the problems of urban unrest. They can't wait to "tune up" the looters and rioters.

That's not okay.
What's not okay? That they haven't adjusted well. Most I know, recently home or here quite a while, aren't well adjusted to most of what's going on. Seems pretty natural to be upset about gross violence, hundreds of millions in destruction, police and innocent civilians being severely injured or murdered openly with the government standing off to the side and letting it happen, in some cases openly supporting it. With some media applauding. Ex-mil are coming home from foreign lands where they were sent by the very same govt to at least attempt to stop the same.

Don't know many, either, after seeing video of complete innocents, men, women and children, some quite elderly, most incapable of defending themselves, being assaulted by mobs, leaving them severely or permanently injured or killed, who don't have at least a fleeting moment of thought about wanting to take a Louisville slugger to some of these thugs. Or are we at the point that the bad people are those who think bad things about the bad people.
It is natural to be upset about gross violence.

Did any of them join the peaceful protests? Did seeing a guy shot in the back 7 times....or on the ground with a knee on the neck...any of that upset them? Any of them, feeling upset at the violence, starting to understand how the black community might feel at what they see as gross violence at the hands of police?

I don't support looting. I don't support rioting. I don't support police shooting people 7 times in the back. I don't support armed militias coming into cities to tune up "thugs."
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Re: What to make of the election?

Post by newguy » Fri Aug 28, 2020 9:49 pm

Fat Cat wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 9:01 pm
newguy wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:48 pm
This is pretty clear. Group of ex military guys who haven't adjusted. Not happy with that they see as governors not fixing the problems of urban unrest. They can't wait to "tune up" the looters and rioters.

That's not okay.
Not okay? LMAO are you gonna tell him to clean his room next? You dear sweet summer child, that golden blanket of comforting conformity you are clutching is fraying.

Here's what's really "not okay", Karen: Democratic shtetl-ites like that bugeyed Governor Evers of Wisconsin siding with rioters and encouraging pandemonium on the streets of the communities he's sworn to serve over the lawful shooting of a child molester like Blake.

If he, or Jay Inslee, or Kate Brown leaves the common people to fend for themselves against hordes of violent, ethno-narcissistic criminals, what can they do but band together to protect their communities? At that point, it's a moral imperative.
I do get banding together to protect your neighborhood. As I mentioned earlier, it's what happened with Korean businesses in the 90s. It's what happens in my city/neighborhood.

Armed ex military who are looking to "tune up thugs" is not that.

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Re: What to make of the election?

Post by Sua Sponte » Fri Aug 28, 2020 10:01 pm

No idea whether they joined peaceful protests, whether they thought it was worth their time, were in a position to do it if they so chose or any other of the myriad variables. It's not germane, either. They'd have to believe the level and extremity of violence being visited upon cities nationwide was a reasonable, effective response to the police use of force issues. Or that they were in fact related rather than an excuse for anarchy. Legitimate polls suggest Americans don't broadly believe they are.

I won't comment on the police use of force as far too many times what has been presented by the media to be incontrovertible damnation of the accused has proven to be well-edited digital sophistry. While Floyd was presented as a race issue, it clearly wasn't. The coroner's report asserts it wasn't death by cop either. The cop in question screwed up by not rendering aid when he lost consciousness. Most were appalled.

It doesn't matter how many times the guy was shot. What's the correct number of shots to shoot somebody? By the book, the cop shoots until the threat is ended. Unlike us, who must disengage should the threat flee, the police are mandated to ensure those who may present a societal threat be halted. Everybody's a commando in their own mind but the reality is pistol bullets don't do a great job of rapid physical (as opposed to psychological) stops. Especially if you're not landing hits into that torso where the vitals lie. Will have to wait see what the evidence and the jury says there.

To FC's point, when we already have armed militias on the streets, perpetrating mass scales of assault and destruction, people saying they expect the gov't to act and if it doesn't, they feel moved to act themselves is hardly surprising or morally reprehensible. What's the alternative if the gov't fails to fulfill its obligations? And instead sides with the violence? But then the rank adn file, law-abiding fear gov't prosecution should they perform the elected officials' abdicated responsibilities. What do you propose?

Don't get too hung up on the on the semantics of "tuning up." Common military parlance.

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Re: What to make of the election?

Post by Fat Cat » Fri Aug 28, 2020 10:05 pm

newguy wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 9:49 pm
Fat Cat wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 9:01 pm
newguy wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 8:48 pm
This is pretty clear. Group of ex military guys who haven't adjusted. Not happy with that they see as governors not fixing the problems of urban unrest. They can't wait to "tune up" the looters and rioters.

That's not okay.
Not okay? LMAO are you gonna tell him to clean his room next? You dear sweet summer child, that golden blanket of comforting conformity you are clutching is fraying.

Here's what's really "not okay", Karen: Democratic shtetl-ites like that bugeyed Governor Evers of Wisconsin siding with rioters and encouraging pandemonium on the streets of the communities he's sworn to serve over the lawful shooting of a child molester like Blake.

If he, or Jay Inslee, or Kate Brown leaves the common people to fend for themselves against hordes of violent, ethno-narcissistic criminals, what can they do but band together to protect their communities? At that point, it's a moral imperative.
I do get banding together to protect your neighborhood. As I mentioned earlier, it's what happened with Korean businesses in the 90s. It's what happens in my city/neighborhood.

Armed ex military who are looking to "tune up thugs" is not that.
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Re: What to make of the election?

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I don't support armed militias coming into cities to tune up "thugs."
If we switch "thugs" for "Nazis", does this not exactly describe Antifa and BLM?

I submit that at this time both groups comprise Amurikkka's largest and most destructive militias.

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Re: What to make of the election?

Post by Fat Cat » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:34 am

Maybe newguy thinks its okay if LA Koreans do it, but not if regular white folks do it?
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Re: What to make of the election?

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DrDonkeyLove... wrote:
Sat Aug 29, 2020 12:31 am
newguy wrote:
Fri Aug 28, 2020 9:28 pm
I don't support armed militias coming into cities to tune up "thugs."
If we switch "thugs" for "Nazis", does this not exactly describe Antifa and BLM?

I submit that at this time both groups comprise Amurikkka's largest and most destructive militias.
It's difficult to find common ground because all of us come at this from our own set of experiences and we filter what we see through those experiences.

For example, when you equate BLM with one of America's most destructive militias.

I don't know what your experience with BLM is. I don't know how you filter "BLM" or lens you see them through.

Do you know any community activists? Any people organizing protests and demonstrations? Do you know any people who've marched? Why they marched? Any black people who have been "tuned up?" Anyone assaulted at the marches? Or first hand experience with racism? Close connections to people who have had first had experience with these things?

I am not trying to be a sanctimonious dick. I am genuinely curious.

I understand the multitude of viewpoints on this. I have close family, friends, connection and experiences on all sides of these things. Some of differing viewpoints are rooted in real fear. One close acquaintance lost a business in the looting.

Fuck the looters.

But I do not equate BLM with the looters and rioters.

I have just as many people who are sick of seeing guys who should have been tackled shot in the back. And their sense of outrage and injustice is rooted in their and their families and their friends very real experiences. They are organize, they march, they are trying to enact what they see as positive changes though activism and protests.

They are not looters or thugs.

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Re: What to make of the election?

Post by newguy » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:46 am

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Maybe newguy thinks its okay if LA Koreans do it, but not if regular white folks do it?
Absolutely not.

What I think is that we need to get a handle on this shit.

Police need to start tackling and stop shooting people in the back.

Police and government need to be very clear on what are protests and what are riots. Respect the first and stop the second.

What we don't need is armed militias and ex military taking shit into their own hands because they want to tune up thugs.

Nothing good comes from that nonsense.

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Re: What to make of the election?

Post by Fat Cat » Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:51 am

Trump Lands Major Endorsements From Democrat Mayors in Minnesota

Oh dear: https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavl ... p-n2575265
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