IGX "...overflowing with foulmouthed ignorance."

I've been seeing a lot of right to life folks crowing about Ginsberg dying in the next 6 years and the SC finally overturning RvW.

Do you feel that recent and future conservative appointees to the Supreme Court will demonstrate loyalty to the conservative body politic that got them into the Court, or do you feel they will uphold their role as check and balance for this Republic of ours? And uphold the long lasting decisions of their predecessors?

I've been seeing a lot of right to life folks crowing about Ginsberg dying in the next 6 years and the SC finally overturning RvW.

Do you feel that recent and future conservative appointees to the Supreme Court will demonstrate loyalty to the conservative body politic that got them into the Court, or do you feel they will uphold their role as check and balance for this Republic of ours? And uphold the long lasting decisions of their predecessors?

Nobody in their right mind thinks that abortion is a good thing, it's not just evangelical rubes who think it's ugly and inconsistent with everything we claim to believe in. It may be that it is a necessary evil but the fact that it's become a rallying point of the left speaks to their lack of moral compass and humanity. Also, what school did you go to that you've never heard of Andorra?

As an aside, I've never understood the rush to trust women with the decision to terminate a pregnancy when they've already demonstrated their inability to successfully operate their own vagina or effective birth control technologies.

Nobody in their right mind thinks that abortion is a good thing

You don't have any idea what my penis has planned!

Tied into this whole mess is the thousands of years of history, running right up to today especially in many corners of the planet, where women were/are still little more than chattel, lacking even control over their own bodies, much less the right to vote or drive a car or expose their wrists.

Allow me to mansplain.

Tied into this whole mess is the thousands of years of history, running right up to today especially in many corners of the planet, where women were/are still little more than chattel, lacking even control over their own bodies, much less the right to vote or drive a car or expose their wrists.

It’s pretty easy to see men arguing against abortion as just more of the same exerting of ownership over another’s body, and I can have enough empathy to fully understand why they might want to say, “@#$ that @#$”.

The shared sentiment is that no one really wants an unwanted pregnancy to occur. That’s a point of attack everyone should be able to agree to.

How bout you keep your woman-controlling vitriol to yourself before we start pushing for mandatory castration. With the number of rapes in the world, against men and women, it makes more sense . . . . That's why we castrate our dogs, cows, horses, etc. Makes everyone get along better.

Its none of your goddamned business what we do with our bodies. Most anti-abortion idiots are also anti-birth-control. Its a whole lot stupid nonsense.

Pro-choice doesn't mean we love abortion or bathing in the blood of newborns.

If you are truly truly truly pro-life, support social services. Take abused children away from the parents who torture and murder them. Educate and feed the poor. And let them all have necessary medical care. And allow women to terminate dangerous pregnancies.

And stop fantasizing that all infants are going to grow up to be blonde haired blued eyed Aryan graduate students.

I enjoy this level-headed, dispassionate dialogue we've established. Just two adults discussing public policy.
That's a tight argument, really. But I'm pro-birth control and anti-abortion so you may apologize for your emotional hyperbole at any time.
Not sure about that.
Nah. I never said I was pro-life, I said I was anti-abortion. It's 100% fact that some people deserve to die. Just not the babies plz.

I will not.

Send to
Patient Educ Couns. 1994 Jul;23(3):161-71.
Contraception in The Netherlands: the low abortion rate explained.
Ketting E, Visser AP.
Abstract
This article gives a review of the main factors that are related to the low abortion rate in the Netherlands. Attention is payed to figures on abortion and the use of contraceptive methods since the beginning of the 1960s up to the end of the 1980s. The strong acceptance of family planning was influenced by changing values regarding sexuality and the family, the transition from an agricultural to a modern industrial society, rapid economic growth, declining influence of the churches on daily life, introduction of modern mass media and the increased general educational level. The introduction of modern contraceptives (mainly the pill and contraceptive sterilization) was stimulated by a strong voluntary family planning movement, fear for overpopulation, a positive role of GPs, and the public health insurance system. A reduction of unwanted pregnancies has been accomplished through successful strategies for the prevention of teenage pregnancy (including sex education, open discussions on sexuality in mass media, educational campaigns and low barrier services) as well as through wide acceptance of sterilization. The Dutch experience with family planning shows the following characteristics: a strong wish to reduce reliance on abortion, ongoing sexual and contraceptive education related to the actual experiences of the target groups, and low barrier family planning services.

PIP:
People in the Netherlands consider unplanned pregnancy to be a large problem that society and decision-makers should and do seriously address. The abortion rate fluctuates between 5 to 7/1000 women of reproductive age, the lowest abortion rate in the world. Between 1965 and 1975, a shift from a largely agricultural society to an industrial society, rapid economic growth and the establishment of a welfare state, a reduced influence of the church in public and personal life, introduction of mass media, and a rapid increase in the educational level of both men and women brought about a rapid change in traditional values and family relations in the Netherlands. These changes and the introduction of modern contraception effected a breakthrough in family planning and sexual morality. Factors facilitating the rapid transition to a contraceptive society in the Netherlands were a voluntary family planning movement, fear of overpopulation, role of general practitioners in providing family planning services, and inclusion of family planning in the national public health insurance system. Acceptance of contraception preceded liberalization of abortion. Society accepts abortion as only a last resort. The sexual sterilization rate is higher than that in other European countries (25% vs. 0-23%). Special family planning programs in the Netherlands target groups at risk of unwanted pregnancy, particularly teenage pregnancy. Almost all secondary schools and about 50% of primary schools address sexuality and contraception. Sex education has largely been integrated in general health education programs. The mass media address adolescent sexuality and preventive behavior. Very large scale, nonmoralistic, public education campaigns that are positive towards teenage sexual behavior appear to be successful. Teens have wide access to contraceptive services through general practitioners who maintain confidentiality and do not require a vaginal exam and through subsidized family planning clinics.

The Netherlands has banned forced sterilization of transgender people and has passed a new law that simplifies ways to change gender registration in passports and other official documents. The law will take effect in July 2014.

Under current Dutch law, a person’s gender can only be changed in official documents after obligatory and often unwanted sterilization and gender modification operations, followed by judicial permission. Many transgender people therefore choose to live with official documents that do not correspond with their gender identities, creating challenges as they apply for jobs, access healthcare, and otherwise officially identify themselves.

The new law now simplifies the process for legal gender registration, allowing transgender people age 16 years and older to obtain an official statement of an expert, affirming that they wish to have their gender marker changed in accordance with their gender identity.

In a report on transgender rights in the European Member states, human rights bodies such as the Council of Europe and the United Nations reprimanded the Netherlands over their former transgender law and insisted on a modification. More than a dozen countries in Europe including Germany, Austria and Denmark have similar sterilization laws.

Earlier in 2013, Sweden also ended requirements that transgender people be sterilized or undergo surgery in order to change their gender identity on official documents.

Rotterdam city council has called for mothers, judged to be incapable to raise children, to be given compulsory contraception by court order. The Dutch council has launched a voluntary contraception drive for 160 women believed to be at risk due to learning difficulties, psychological issues or addiction, nrc.nl reports.