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Fountainbleau pool boy

Post by nafod » Sun May 26, 2019 1:53 pm

The suit claims Alton Hostel was formed by Falwell Jr. and his wife after they met Granda in 2012 when they were staying at the Fontainebleau (where he was a pool boy). The couple “developed into a friendly relationship with Granda” and later took him on trips in Liberty University’s private jet as the relationship “evolved.” Part of the relationship included offers to provide Granda “with financial assistance.”
And this, probably unrelated.
former Trump “fixer” Michael Cohen had helped Falwell Jr. deal with “personal” photographs held by someone else. Cohen intervened and the person destroyed them, according to Reuters, which based its reporting on a recorded conversation with Cohen by comedian Tom Arnold. The report said Cohen flew to Florida in 2016 to deal with the photographs.
Any of you guys manage to strike it rich by forming up a threesome with a rich evangelical couple? I’m still trying.
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Post by Gene » Sun May 26, 2019 5:20 pm

So it's alleged.... Could be true. Some of us remember Jim Bakker, Jessica Hahn and the speech.

Who takes Televangelists seriously?

We can take solace - at least Falwell Jr did not teach his flock about "apostolic socialism", bullshit them into going to Guyana and then get them all dead.

Among Reverend Jones's friends while he was in San Fransisco? Willie Brown. Diane Feinstein, today senior Senator from California. Jones could get out protests and the votes. The local Democrats pandered to him. Means to an end.
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Post by Turdacious » Sun May 26, 2019 6:36 pm

Interesting the things a guy will do when he hasn't had a paycheck in a decade or so.
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Re: Fountainbleau pool boy

Post by nafod » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:45 am

Gene wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 5:20 pm
Who takes Televangelists seriously?
Unfortunately, a lot of people.

I have to agree with this assessment, though
Copeland...described flying commercial as "flying in a long tube with a bunch of demons — and it's deadly."
heh
It's not the first time a big-time televangelist has been in hot water over a private plane. Last year, Jesse Duplantis asked his followers to "pray about becoming a partner" to his mission of obtaining a $54 million private jet. Creflo Dollar also asked his supporters to help him buy a $65 million Gulfstream G650 jet in 2015.
And they get those planes, too.
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Re: Fountainbleau pool boy

Post by nafod » Mon Aug 24, 2020 5:41 pm

Falwell's endorsement of Trump was an important element of his winning the primary and presidency. So of course...

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/sp ... ationship/
The material Granda showed Reuters includes screenshots from what Granda said was a FaceTime conversation he had with the Falwells in 2019. During that call, Granda said, Becki was naked as the two discussed their relationship while Jerry peeked from behind a door. Reuters was able to verify Granda’s description of the screenshots.
Oh, I really hope the screenshots make it to the internet.
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Post by Bennyonesix1 » Mon Aug 24, 2020 5:52 pm

Oh wow more white ppl hate from nafod.

I'll never understand the pleasure some ppl take in battling strawmen.

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Re: Fountainbleau pool boy

Post by nafod » Mon Aug 24, 2020 5:59 pm

Bennyonesix1 wrote:
Mon Aug 24, 2020 5:52 pm
Oh wow more white ppl hate from nafod.
There's a special place of hate for hypocritical evangelicals, yes.
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Re: Fountainbleau pool boy

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Lie down with dogs, get up with fleas.
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Re: Fountainbleau pool boy

Post by Bennyonesix1 » Mon Aug 24, 2020 6:03 pm

Is your hate for just white evangelicals?

Or do you hate Ortho Jew Rabbis who do pervy stuff just as much (because whew they do too)?

Or Indian Gurus por Yogis?

This was obv rhetorical.

You just want to ethnic cleanse whites.

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Re: Fountainbleau pool boy

Post by nafod » Mon Aug 24, 2020 6:48 pm

Bennyonesix1 wrote:
Mon Aug 24, 2020 6:03 pm
Is your hate for just white evangelicals?
Just ones with washboard abs
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Post by Schlegel » Mon Aug 24, 2020 7:56 pm

If there's one thing I learned from a childhood enduring Baptist churches, it's that a lot of PK's deform under pressure or just end up snapping and go "Fuck it, I'll do what I want."
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Post by Fat Cat » Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:13 pm

Nafod, are you a Christian?
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Post by Turdacious » Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:28 pm

How much juice did Jr. have among evangelicals? I’ve never heard of him spoken in any way approaching the way his old man was.
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Post by Bennyonesix1 » Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:35 am

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Re: Fountainbleau pool boy

Post by Schlegel » Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:38 am

Turdacious wrote:
Mon Aug 24, 2020 11:28 pm
How much juice did Jr. have among evangelicals? I’ve never heard of him spoken in any way approaching the way his old man was.
According to wiki, he just ran the university, it's his brother who pastors the church.
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Re: Fountainbleau pool boy

Post by nafod » Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:48 am

Fat Cat wrote:
Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:13 pm
Nafod, are you a Christian?
Probably about as much as Falwell Jr is. I grew up a few miles from The 700 Club site and was immersed in the whole vibe growing up. My friend/neighbor went to Liberty.

Falwell was going to endorse Ted Cruz, Michael Cohen helped Falwell bury photos ala Stormy, Falwell endorsed Trump, Falwell’s endorsement was critical to Trump getting the evangelical vote.

It is all so damn greasy.
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Re: Fountainbleau pool boy

Post by nafod » Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:58 pm

This is fascinating spin

https://roanoke.com/news/casey-things-c ... 22ed6.html
That’s how we know Jerry Falwell Sr. is not rolling in his grave at this moment. He’s probably smiling down from heaven, proud of his namesake. After all, there was no homosexuality, no abortion, no crime at all in the eyes of the law.
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Post by Bennyonesix1 » Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:42 pm

Odds that this dude wasn't blowing the pool boy?

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Re: Fountainbleau pool boy

Post by Fat Cat » Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:37 pm

nafod wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:48 am
Fat Cat wrote:
Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:13 pm
Nafod, are you a Christian?
Probably about as much as Falwell Jr is. I grew up a few miles from The 700 Club site and was immersed in the whole vibe growing up. My friend/neighbor went to Liberty.

Falwell was going to endorse Ted Cruz, Michael Cohen helped Falwell bury photos ala Stormy, Falwell endorsed Trump, Falwell’s endorsement was critical to Trump getting the evangelical vote.

It is all so damn greasy.
You think being blackmailed makes him the bad guy? I'm not familiar with the situation or what you're saying.
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Re: Fountainbleau pool boy

Post by nafod » Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:27 pm

Fat Cat wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:37 pm
nafod wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:48 am
Fat Cat wrote:
Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:13 pm
Nafod, are you a Christian?
Probably about as much as Falwell Jr is. I grew up a few miles from The 700 Club site and was immersed in the whole vibe growing up. My friend/neighbor went to Liberty.

Falwell was going to endorse Ted Cruz, Michael Cohen helped Falwell bury photos ala Stormy, Falwell endorsed Trump, Falwell’s endorsement was critical to Trump getting the evangelical vote.

It is all so damn greasy.
You think being blackmailed makes him the bad guy? I'm not familiar with the situation or what you're saying.
This summarizes nicely, from a year ago.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... ed-850380/
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Re: Fountainbleau pool boy

Post by syaigh » Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:35 pm

People with no morals, pretending to have morals, so they can judge people they accuse of having no morals, so they can elect politicians with no morals to pass immoral legislation.

Morality is subjective so let me explain according to my subjective understanding of morality. People who exploit, oppress, or marginalize others are immoral. People who claim that the people who try to help the exploited, oppressed, and marginalized are immoral are, in fact, immoral.
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Re: Fountainbleau pool boy

Post by Fat Cat » Wed Aug 26, 2020 12:32 am

syaigh wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:35 pm
Morality is subjective so let me explain according to my subjective understanding of morality.
Not quite. Individual morals may be subjective, but morality on the whole is an outcome of human biology, which has dictates that are not subjective. For example, you can't tell someone that breathing is not moral and they should stop.
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People who exploit, oppress, or marginalize others are immoral.

You are trying to make an absolute out of something that you just said is subjective and, therefore, conditional (i.e., true under certain conditions). The corollary is this: it is perfectly fine to kill, exploit, oppress, or marginalize others under certain circumstances. We all know this is true, there's no point arguing about it. If someone attacks you, it's alright to kill them. If someone wants to harm your child, it's okay to oppress them and thwart their will.

That's why traditional morality works: it's conditional, but it flows from human biology. It's also why the type of moral relativism you lead your post with doesn't work: it posits absolutes on a foundation that is distinctly conditional.

Violence, exploitation, oppression, marginalization etc. have no moral assignment. They are good or bad depending on how they are applied, as any third grader knows. It's only when people are "educated" into stupidity and self doubt that they start prattling on about violence being "not okay".
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Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:35 pm
People who claim that the people who try to help the exploited, oppressed, and marginalized are immoral are, in fact, immoral.

This is where the rubber meets the road, as it were. You absolutely can and must call these very people immoral if they are. Abortionists claim to help people but kill babies. Communists claim to liberate people but practice mass incarceration and murder.

Ideology, and the sophistry that wields it, is poison. Our only allegiance should be to the truth, which is not in any way subjective.
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Post by Bennyonesix1 » Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:00 pm

My god the patience Fat Cat has arguing with ppl who default to floating signifiers is amazing.

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Re: Fountainbleau pool boy

Post by syaigh » Thu Aug 27, 2020 12:35 am

Bennyonesix1 wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 5:00 pm
My god the patience Fat Cat has arguing with ppl who default to floating signifiers is amazing.
Try to demonstrate that you are actually intelligent. Cause its not coming across.
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Re: Fountainbleau pool boy

Post by syaigh » Thu Aug 27, 2020 12:44 am

Fat Cat wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 12:32 am
syaigh wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:35 pm
Morality is subjective so let me explain according to my subjective understanding of morality.
Not quite. Individual morals may be subjective, but morality on the whole is an outcome of human biology, which has dictates that are not subjective. For example, you can't tell someone that breathing is not moral and they should stop.

So, typically we define morality as "principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavioir." Biological processes aren't exactly moral choices. Stopping someone else from breathing, yes, that's a choice. Breathing itself isn't actually moral or immoral.
syaigh wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:35 pm
People who exploit, oppress, or marginalize others are immoral.

You are trying to make an absolute out of something that you just said is subjective and, therefore, conditional (i.e., true under certain conditions). The corollary is this: it is perfectly fine to kill, exploit, oppress, or marginalize others under certain circumstances. We all know this is true, there's no point arguing about it. If someone attacks you, it's alright to kill them. If someone wants to harm your child, it's okay to oppress them and thwart their will.

That's why traditional morality works: it's conditional, but it flows from human biology. It's also why the type of moral relativism you lead your post with doesn't work: it posits absolutes on a foundation that is distinctly conditional.

Violence, exploitation, oppression, marginalization etc. have no moral assignment. They are good or bad depending on how they are applied, as any third grader knows. It's only when people are "educated" into stupidity and self doubt that they start prattling on about violence being "not okay".

Then how do you define it? Is one's life more important than another's if that person isn't viable? Are you required to help a dying person when your own life is in danger? Many make that choice, but would they be immoral if they didn't?
syaigh wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:35 pm
People who claim that the people who try to help the exploited, oppressed, and marginalized are immoral are, in fact, immoral.

This is where the rubber meets the road, as it were. You absolutely can and must call these very people immoral if they are. Abortionists claim to help people but kill babies. Communists claim to liberate people but practice mass incarceration and murder.

Define abortionists. Those who kill without consideration of viability or health of the mother? At what point does the life of a fetus trump that of the mother? At what point does a heartbeat define someone else's life? Should we keep people in a vegetative state on life support indefinitely regardless of the financial and emotional cost to a family just because their heart is beating? Is it a sin to not force a teenager to carry the child of her abuser/rapist?


Ideology, and the sophistry that wields it, is poison. Our only allegiance should be to the truth, which is not in any way subjective.
Truth is always subjective. If a bundle of cells cannot survive outside my body, it is not alive.


For the record, I am mostly always in favor of life. But I don't want anyone other than myself to make that decision.
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