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Big Tish: Break Up the NRA

Post by Fat Cat » Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:43 pm

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New York Attorney General Sues N.R.A. and Seeks Its Closure

Seems like dizzyingly bad timing for the blues, but what do I know? What are your thoughts guys? Does this help or hurt Biden and various other RxD races around the country?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/06/us/n ... james.html
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Re: Big Tish: Break Up the NRA

Post by Bennyonesix1 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:46 pm

Two thoughts:

1) She's right. I hate the NRA. They're a scam and have been for a generation.

2) Internal polling in blue states and among suburban white women looks bad. This is red meat.

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Re: Big Tish: Break Up the NRA

Post by Kazuya Mishima » Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:19 pm

She's an incredibly talented jurist. Perfectly carries and perpetuates the rhetorical frame of her (((handlers))).

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Re: Big Tish: Break Up the NRA

Post by DrDonkeyLove... » Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:22 pm

Like so many NGO's the NRA is a money making machine based on selling fear to its customers. Lots of arrogance and corruption at the top.
Yet, the war on 2A is real and they're its most prominent defender. A devils bargain IMO.

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Re: Big Tish: Break Up the NRA

Post by Fat Cat » Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:25 pm

Bennyonesix1 wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:46 pm
Two thoughts:
Let's hear 'em.
Bennyonesix1 wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:46 pm
1) She's right. I hate the NRA. They're a scam and have been for a generation.
I'm reasonably certain that all thinking Americans understand that the NRA is trash, but, it's what they are symbol of that matters: private ownership of firearms. While they are a corrupt, and of late useless, organization, I'm not comfortable with anybody named Letitia trying to break them up.

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2) Internal polling in blue states and among suburban white women looks bad. This is red meat.
I don't quite follow you here and would appreciate a clarification of your meaning.
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Re: Big Tish: Break Up the NRA

Post by Bennyonesix1 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:32 pm

DrDonkeyLove... wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:22 pm
Like so many NGO's the NRA is a money making machine based on selling fear to its customers. Lots of arrogance and corruption at the top.
Yet, the war on 2A is real and they're its most prominent defender. A devils bargain IMO.
To me, they seem to be managing the glide path to an end to gun ownership.

So, it's not any kind of bargain.

It might be better to have it burnt down and start again. They dominate the field.

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Re: Big Tish: Break Up the NRA

Post by Bennyonesix1 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:35 pm

Fat Cat wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:25 pm
Bennyonesix1 wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:46 pm
Two thoughts:
Let's hear 'em.
Bennyonesix1 wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:46 pm
1) She's right. I hate the NRA. They're a scam and have been for a generation.
I'm reasonably certain that all thinking Americans understand that the NRA is trash, but, it's what they are symbol of that matters: private ownership of firearms. While they are a corrupt, and of late useless, organization, I'm not comfortable with anybody named Letitia trying to break them up.

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Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:46 pm
2) Internal polling in blue states and among suburban white women looks bad. This is red meat.
I don't quite follow you here and would appreciate a clarification of your meaning.
It's a sig ratcheting up. A big step. And one they could have done at any time. But they chose now. It's red meat to trigger suburban white women into staying DEM. If that bloc was secure why incur the negatives with the other blocs like the rust belt working class whites?

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Re: Big Tish: Break Up the NRA

Post by Fat Cat » Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:37 pm

Ah okay, thanks, I see what you're saying. But are our genteel white ladies really anti-gun anymore, as our cities burn and police departments crumble? I'm not up on the polling.
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Re: Big Tish: Break Up the NRA

Post by Bennyonesix1 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:45 pm

That's a fair point. I don't know either. But i doubt those women identify themselves with the NRA even if they've newly come to jesus on guns.

The NRA is a proxy for bad (low status) white men re college educated white women.

So, it's an effort to remind them of their enemy and bring them back into the fold.

Same same with abortion (mostly). The psychological nexus is low status males controlling their reproduction and sex lives.

If, Mr. 6'5 rich white arrogant bf told them no sleeping around and no abortions they'd be fine.

But Newt Gingrich or McConnell or some reg white poor tells them? Nah

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Post by Kazuya Mishima » Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:49 pm

Not gonna lie. Never been an NRA member. That nostril bullshit makes me want to send a donation.

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Re: Big Tish: Break Up the NRA

Post by Fat Cat » Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:18 pm

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Not gonna lie. Never been an NRA member. That nostril bullshit makes me want to send a donation.
I never saw the point, and even less so once the SCOTUS issued its decision re: District of Columbia v. Heller. That said, I now believe that the Left is going for the long play to amend the constitution and/or stack the SCOTUS.
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Post by Turdacious » Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:23 pm

An NRA lifetime membership is a great gift for gun haters.
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Re: Big Tish: Break Up the NRA

Post by Bennyonesix1 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:58 pm

You are mental.

Why would you be so passive aggressive and shitty?

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Re: Big Tish: Break Up the NRA

Post by motherjuggs&speed » Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:33 pm

I like that idea. If I'd thought of it I would have gotten my one lefty mcliberal gun grabbing friend a membership in Gun Owners of America. And then he would be put on some list by a President he voted for.

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Re: Big Tish: Break Up the NRA

Post by Bennyonesix1 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:07 pm

Is GOA the kinda thing gets you on a list?

I've heard they were better but who knows.

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Post by Schlegel » Fri Aug 07, 2020 2:12 am

GOA or SAF will carry on if the NRA dies. There will be plenty of donations shifted immediately. The NRA's money was always much more in small individual donations than the anti money is.
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Post by Gene » Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:07 pm

Fat Cat wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:43 pm
Seems like dizzyingly bad timing for the blues, but what do I know? What are your thoughts guys? Does this help or hurt Biden and various other RxD races around the country?
NRA wasn't a gun rights outfit until 1977. President Carter's strict enforcement of the GCA of 1968 radicalized members. Called the Cincinnati Massacre. I had friends there who voted to toss out compromisers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolt_at_Cincinnati

AG James is shadow boxing. At best she'll get La Pierre to retire. Someone more effective will come in. At worst she'll replace the NRA with the GOA. The GOA is vastly more radical than the NRA.

If she thinks she can duplicate Andrew Cuomo's extortion of Smith and Wesson while he was Clinton's HHS head - dream on.
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Post by Gene » Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:09 pm

Here was Cuomo's first attempt at this kind of Mafia style of extortion. This agreement collapsed when S&W was bankrupted by a boycott.

"We have reached a settlement with Smith & Wesson, the nation's largest gun manufacturer. This settlement will bring about fundamental changes in the areas we focused on right from the start, areas of design, distribution and advertising.

It mandates, first of all, an impressive array of safety features, including locking devices, child safety features and authorized user technology that will prevent once and for all accidental gun deaths and keep children safe.

It creates a system of authorized dealerships like we have in so many other industries that will prevent suspect firearm sales like straw purchasing and sales made without background checks that make it easier for criminals to get guns.

It bans advertising that appeals particularly to criminals and it is, as we insisted from the start, an agreement with teeth, with a real enforcement mechanism and real oversight. "

https://archives.hud.gov/remarks/cuomo/ ... mwsagr.cfm
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Re: Big Tish: Break Up the NRA

Post by Gene » Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:54 pm

If Progressives would do more work on violent crime and its causes (which isn't inequality of distribution of wealth) people would not see a need to own guns. They would diminish in civilian hands.

Those few of us who would own them, if we were left alone with them, wouldn't care a bit about registration. I already got registered stuff. I don't even notice it.

It's fixation on prohibition and confiscation that radicalizes people.
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Post by seeahill » Tue Aug 11, 2020 12:32 am

Turdacious wrote:
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An NRA lifetime membership is a great gift for gun haters.
I own rifles, shotguns, pistols and revolvers. Nevertheless, I hate the NRA and have never been a member. But, when I lived in San Francisco, a bought NRA stickers to put on my door and windows. Bad guys see those stickers and tthink there're guns inside, They pick another house to rob.
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Re: Big Tish: Break Up the NRA

Post by Fat Cat » Tue Aug 11, 2020 12:43 am

seeahill wrote:
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pistols AND revolvers.
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Post by nafod » Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:26 pm

Gene wrote:
Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:54 pm
If Progressives would do more work on violent crime and its causes (which isn't inequality of distribution of wealth) people would not see a need to own guns. They would diminish in civilian hands.
I wish that were true.

Gun ownership has moved beyond the rational to the emotional. The "gun lifestyle" and all that. Rather than just being tools, people have defined themselves with the issue.
Don’t believe everything you think.

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Post by DrDonkeyLove... » Tue Aug 11, 2020 3:22 pm

nafod wrote:
Tue Aug 11, 2020 2:26 pm
Gene wrote:
Mon Aug 10, 2020 10:54 pm
If Progressives would do more work on violent crime and its causes (which isn't inequality of distribution of wealth) people would not see a need to own guns. They would diminish in civilian hands.
I wish that were true.

Gun ownership has moved beyond the rational to the emotional. The "gun lifestyle" and all that. Rather than just being tools, people have defined themselves with the issue.
My question is what caused the issue to become so emotional? How did it rise from tool to existential symbol? I think Gene hit it.
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It's fixation on prohibition and confiscation that radicalizes people.
I think the closest analog is abortion where the slightest imposition is viewed as a preview to massive prohibition. Why?

Because abortion activists and gun rights activists believe the words and actions of those who want to restrict their rights. They "know" the long game is to restrict their rights to the point of oblivion. They're very aware that their enemies use market tested blather to obfuscate their true intentions. Few things are more motivating.

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