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Re: Old Man Training

Post by Mickey O'neil » Fri Nov 04, 2016 12:39 pm

I was mentioning to someone the other day how I still feel great at 46, (move well, decently strong, still mountain biking strong, flexible, etc.) but he said wait until I hit 50. Not sure why that makes a huge difference. It's only four years and I have no real issues or dings. A woman the other day thought I was around 30 years old.

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Re: Old Man Training

Post by dead man walking » Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:02 pm

50 is no problemo, mick.

60 isn't bad, either.

at 70, you can't fool yourself any more.

oh, and did she blow your studly, young-looking self?
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Re: Old Man Training

Post by DikTracy6000 » Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:24 pm

dead man walking wrote:here's an example for you old broke dicks:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/04/world ... el-80.html
Says he became a naked, paint-covered performance artist to raise money. Sounds like he's doing IGX shit in China.

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Re: Old Man Training

Post by Mickey O'neil » Fri Nov 04, 2016 2:50 pm

Unfortunately she didn't since we were hanging out in a group, including her husband, watching a game and socializing. I think she wants to though.

Even at 70 with a lifetime of consistent strength training, cardio, and mobility/flexibility work?
dead man walking wrote:50 is no problemo, mick.

60 isn't bad, either.

at 70, you can't fool yourself any more.

oh, and did she blow your studly, young-looking self?

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Post by powerlifter54 » Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:00 pm

Mickey O'neil wrote:
Even at 70 with a lifetime of consistent strength training, cardio, and mobility/flexibility work?
Gonna find out. Learning when and how to move the goalposts is important. Figuring out if others being impressed by your effort is important too. And learning to start seriously decreasing that risk of injury is most important. Which means more mobility/flexibility and cardio.

The horror is sometimes too much to contemplate.
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Re: Old Man Training

Post by Mickey O'neil » Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:11 pm

Well, I aim to maintain my training forever. It's just part of who I am...my lifestyle. I do make a priority of flexibility/mobility and cardio.
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Mickey O'neil wrote:
Even at 70 with a lifetime of consistent strength training, cardio, and mobility/flexibility work?
Gonna find out. Learning when and how to move the goalposts is important. Figuring out if others being impressed by your effort is important too. And learning to start seriously decreasing that risk of injury is most important. Which means more mobility/flexibility and cardio.

The horror is sometimes too much to contemplate.
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Re: Old Man Training

Post by ledfistaco » Fri Nov 04, 2016 7:41 pm

Did someone say 70?

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Post by climber511 » Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:41 pm

Less than 2 years to go until my 70th birthday. So I should know something here before long now :)

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Re: Old Man Training

Post by dead man walking » Fri Nov 04, 2016 9:50 pm

nagging injuries if i push training.

i don't know if there's some residual frailty from chemo, but i don't think so. i came back well initially. at 70+ i can be as active as before, just notably less fast and strong.

i'm trying bill starr's old-man approach: light weights and high reps.
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Post by tough old man » Fri Nov 04, 2016 10:50 pm

Worked out my sciatic issues over a six month period.
Finally squatted last night and went to a single at 425 with just a belt. Worked a golf ball into the knot in the glutes and all is good to go.
I may shoot for 500 again. I'm probably that stupid.
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Re: Old Man Training

Post by dead man walking » Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:04 pm

tough old man wrote:I may shoot for 500 again. I'm probably that stupid.
that's the spirit! you old codger
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Post by climber511 » Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:08 pm

tough old man wrote:Worked out my sciatic issues over a six month period.
Finally squatted last night and went to a single at 425 with just a belt. Worked a golf ball into the knot in the glutes and all is good to go.
I may shoot for 500 again. I'm probably that stupid.
Stupid is as stupid does :). You never know if something is going to go wrong .............until it does. At 500# - it could go wrong pretty quick.

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Post by tough old man » Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:11 pm

i know Chris but the ego is insane since I switched to a commercial gym instead of a home gym.
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Post by climber511 » Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:27 pm

tough old man wrote:i know Chris but the ego is insane since I switched to a commercial gym instead of a home gym.
Training alone really helps me keep the ego in check. Nick came down Monday and I pushed harder than I would have by myself. A few pretty young women in a public gym and I'd screw myself up for sure!

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Re: Old Man Training

Post by climber511 » Fri Nov 04, 2016 11:53 pm

So says the guy who matched a squat PR set in 1969 this year :)

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Re: Old Man Training

Post by Kirk » Sat Nov 05, 2016 12:04 am

dead man walking wrote:i'm trying bill starr's old-man approach: light weights and high reps.
Just starting that approach? I read the articles and came away feeling that it would turn lifting from something I enjoy into something I would dread. I have, however, been doing a couple sets in the 20-30 rep range lately, to feel out the general approach a bit. A couple years ago I did work up to squatting with bodyweight on the bar for 50 reps, which turned out to be more about determination than anything.

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Post by dead man walking » Sat Nov 05, 2016 12:30 am

let's call it "modified high rep," 20-40 reps per set, depending. i've only started doing it, and it's entirely by feel.

i began this regimen with broomstick good mornings, which starr recommended for back problems. did sets of 50, and they seemed to help. i've graduated to a light bar for the good mornings and expanded the routine to other lifts.

the program is tough on a guy's self-esteem. i feel as though i should be using pink weights. it's ok for the moment, and i haven't fucked myself up.

i'll report when i lose patience, go heavy, and tear something.
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Re: Old Man Training

Post by Sangoma » Sat Nov 05, 2016 1:19 am

[quote="dead man walking"

i'm trying bill starr's old-man approach: light weights and high reps.[/quote]

It's not like you cannot hurt yourself with high reps and light weights. I suspect the secret is in how close to the limit you allow yourself to get. Either in weight or volume - translated into effort. I think Jack is spot on about not grinding as you get older. This way doing singles and doubles is not going to be any more denjeeruss than 30 curls with 2.5 kg dumbbells.
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Re: Old Man Training

Post by Bobby » Sat Nov 05, 2016 9:16 am

Is it just me that get distracted by the photo Mickey has at the bottom of every post he posts? That must surely mean that I am still young?
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Post by Dunn » Sat Nov 05, 2016 9:39 am

Sangoma wrote:
dead man walking wrote:
i'm trying bill starr's old-man approach: light weights and high reps.
It's not like you cannot hurt yourself with high reps and light weights. I suspect the secret is in how close to the limit you allow yourself to get. Either in weight or volume - translated into effort. I think Jack is spot on about not grinding as you get older. This way doing singles and doubles is not going to be any more denjeeruss than 30 curls with 2.5 kg dumbbells.
Definitely. Lighter weights often lead to overuse injuries simply because of poor volume management.

I like my father-in-law's approach to lifting. Warmup, work up to a solid triple, 2-3 back off sets of 15-30 reps. Accessory work as needed for the swoleness. He isn't setting any records, but being in his 50's, he looks and outlifts many folks in their 20's.

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Re: Old Man Training

Post by dead man walking » Sat Nov 05, 2016 1:19 pm

50 year olds are children.

something happens two decades later.

in my experience.

as i recall, starr said the approach he adopted was similar to the one jack lalanne followed. he was a goofball, swimming around the harbor towing 70 boats, but a fit little fucker.
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Re: Old Man Training

Post by Croatoa » Sat Nov 05, 2016 2:18 pm

I'm only 37.

It's good to see you guys still kicking ass though.
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