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Re: accumulated marginal benefit

Post by Shafpocalypse Now » Wed Nov 30, 2016 1:58 am

The Kalua pig needed a bit of smoke flavoring and I put in a bit of fish sauce too.

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Post by Sangoma » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:50 am

The beauty of the slow cooker is that it is very forgiving: it's really difficult to really fuck up the meat in it. Add any spices that you think can do the trick and press the button. I also find draining excess fat is another useful thing to do - a lot of it melts off the meat, no matter how much you trim it. Not for health reasons, it's just too much of it sometimes.
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Post by Really Big Strong Guy » Wed Nov 30, 2016 4:40 pm

Copious amounts of Venison. Rinse and repeat. Tis the season.

Good read on all of this. A great reminder of the proper mindset and the long term goal of life associated with athletics.
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Post by powerlifter54 » Wed Nov 30, 2016 8:56 pm

Really Big Strong Guy wrote:Copious amounts of Venison. Rinse and repeat. Tis the season.

Good read on all of this. A great reminder of the proper mindset and the long term goal of life associated with athletics.
Just made chile with 2/3 venison cut with pork fat and 1/3 Flat iron steak cut into cubes. Fried meat medium, drained fat, put in crock pot with more spices and flavors and diced tomatoes for 24 hour slow cook. Added beans 2 hours before serving over Jasmine Rice.

Wow.
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Post by climber511 » Wed Nov 30, 2016 9:34 pm

powerlifter54 wrote:
Really Big Strong Guy wrote:Copious amounts of Venison. Rinse and repeat. Tis the season.

Good read on all of this. A great reminder of the proper mindset and the long term goal of life associated with athletics.
Just made chile with 2/3 venison cut with pork fat and 1/3 Flat iron steak cut into cubes. Fried meat medium, drained fat, put in crock pot with more spices and flavors and diced tomatoes for 24 hour slow cook. Added beans 2 hours before serving over Jasmine Rice.

Wow.
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Post by dkay » Thu Dec 01, 2016 2:10 am

powerlifter54 wrote:
Really Big Strong Guy wrote:Copious amounts of Venison. Rinse and repeat. Tis the season.

Good read on all of this. A great reminder of the proper mindset and the long term goal of life associated with athletics.
Just made chile with 2/3 venison cut with pork fat and 1/3 Flat iron steak cut into cubes. Fried meat medium, drained fat, put in crock pot with more spices and flavors and diced tomatoes for 24 hour slow cook. Added beans 2 hours before serving over Jasmine Rice.

Wow.
Haha! Wow, indeed! Sounds absolutely wonderful.

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Post by bennyonesix » Thu Dec 01, 2016 2:20 am

I've been adding the spices toward the end, I think they can get cooked too much.

My favorite is an NC style bbq Pork shoulder.

Put 2 or 3 ham hocks or ox tails on bottom of cooker , put shoulder or butt on top, pour homemade NC sauce over top until just under shoulder (hocks keep meat out kf liquid). Cook. When done, shred it all together pork plus ham or ox tails and moisten with defatted sauce. Serve with coleslaw and Dip.

Sauce

one gallon of cider vinegar with enough poured out so that the gallon glass jug could also hold one inch of ground red pepper, one inch of ground white pepper, and one inch of ground black pepper left to sit for flavors to blend for a week or more before use.


Piedmont Lexington-Style Dip

1-1/2 cups distilled white or cider vinegar
10 tablespoons tomato catsup
Salt to taste, if desired
1/2 teaspoon cayenne pepper
Pinch of crushed hot red pepper flakes
1 tablespoon sugar
1/2 cup water
Freshly ground pepper to taste

Combine all ingredients in a small saucepan and bring to a simmer. Cook, stirring, until the sugar dissolves. Remove from the heat and let stand until cool. Spoon a small amount of the sauce over barbecued meats. Yield: three cups.

Excerpt from page 336 of The Best Tar Heel Barbecue, Manteo to Murphy by Jim Early

This is my favorite store bought. Eastern style vinegar based.
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Post by Sangoma » Thu Dec 01, 2016 10:06 am

Slightly off topic, but worthwhile to mention: Monkey Gland Sauce, a South African signature. Pretty much every steak house serves it over there. Addictive.

1 onion finely chopped
1 teaspoon crushed garlic
125ml water
1 tin chopped peeled tomatoes
250ml tomato sauce
125ml Worcestershire sauce
200ml Mrs. Balls hot chutney (any fruity chutney will do)
6 tablespoons sugar
2 tablespoons vinegar
1 teaspoon Tabasco sauce
Oil for frying

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In a pot over a medium heat with some oil, cook the onions and garlic until soft.
Add all the rest of the ingredients, stir thoroughly to combine and heat through.
Reduce heat to low and simmer for 30 – 40 minutes.
Serve generous lashings on a beautifully cooked steak or burger.
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Post by bennyonesix » Thu Dec 29, 2016 3:46 pm

Mrs Ball's is really incredible. Hard to find but some dot indian stores carry it.

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Post by Sangoma » Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:15 pm

At the beginning of last week I joined my friends hunting deer. Get jealous: deer in Australia are considered pests, and there is no season to shoot them, you can do it all year long.

Right after returning home. The shoulder, generously interlaced with onion and tomato, covered in the oven for 3 hours. Served with rice and salad on day one, cold over a toasted slice of bread for the next couple of days. A glimpse of paradise on Earth.
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Post by terra » Mon Jan 02, 2017 1:39 am

It’s a simple pattern, make some big polarizing claim(cardio kills), throw in a bit of sciency sounding stuff and perhaps cite a research study or two, and with enough enthusiasm and you have a flock of willing folks spreading your message.
I see a lot of registered practitioners now doing exactly this. People who should know better creating a non existent boogeyman then tacking on a bullshit 'means nothing' slogan from "stop chasing pain" and building ridiculous training workshop around it. Seriously, one more 'expert' proudly showing their ignorance by holding a broomstick along someone's spine while they do barbell work and I'll go postal.
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Post by Chris McClinch » Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:06 am

terra wrote:
It’s a simple pattern, make some big polarizing claim(cardio kills), throw in a bit of sciency sounding stuff and perhaps cite a research study or two, and with enough enthusiasm and you have a flock of willing folks spreading your message.
I see a lot of registered practitioners now doing exactly this. People who should know better creating a non existent boogeyman then tacking on a bullshit 'means nothing' slogan from "stop chasing pain" and building ridiculous training workshop around it. Seriously, one more 'expert' proudly showing their ignorance by holding a broomstick along someone's spine while they do barbell work and I'll go postal.
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That's the common arc of the goo-roo: Make a valid observation. Overgeneralize that observation in an attempt to make it universal. Torture data and anecdote to fit that overgeneralization. Attack anyone who points out that your initial observation is only valid for the population in which you observed it, under the conditions in which you observed it. Stop talking to the experts in your field, but take your adoring audience through fields way outside your lane. Profit.

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Post by Sangoma » Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:46 am

Nice article along the lines of the title of this thread.

Longevity: It’s the Little Things That Keep Us Young
In other new research, Valter Longo, director of the University of Southern California's Longevity Institute, showed that when people occasionally fasted, they lowered their risk factors for age-related diseases. In the trial, which was published in the journal Cell Metabolism, Longo did a series of modified fasting experiments on mice and humans. Mice that were fed an extremely low-calorie and low-protein fasting diet improved their metabolism, decreased bone loss, improved cognitive function, got cancer at a lower rate and even lengthened their lives. Longo then tried a similar diet strategy on 19 people for five days a week. The menu was full of healthy foods but contained 34% to 54% fewer calories than what the people in the study usually consumed. After following the diet for three months, the people in the study had notable drops in risk factors related to aging, diabetes, heart disease and cancer, including lower blood sugar and reduced levels of the growth hormone IGF-1, which accelerates aging. While that hormone is important for normal development earlier in life, some people get too much of it from high-protein foods. Longo's research has also shown that cancer risk can increase about 400% among Americans who get 20% or more of their calories from protein, compared with people who clock in only about 10%.
In a 2015 study published in the Journal of the American Heart Association, researchers put fitness trackers on more than 1,000 adults in their 70s and 80s who were limited in how much they could move around. People who logged the least physical activity had the highest risk of a heart event in the next 10 years, which isn't shocking. But to the researchers' surprise, moving just a little bit more during the day—like doing chores around the house—was enough to lower the risk of a heart event.
For the first time, two studies published late last year in the journal Psychology and Aging linked a person's negative stereotypes about aging, of all things, to the development of brain changes associated with Alzheimer's disease. In the first study, researchers looked at 158 people without dementia who were part of the Baltimore Longitudinal Study of Aging (BLSA). The researchers asked the men and women, who were in their 40s at the time, to rate how they felt about different aging-related stereotypes, like "Older people have trouble learning new things" and "Older people are absentminded."
About 25 years later, the researchers gave some of those same people yearly brain scans. They found that the men and women who held more negative views of aging earlier in life had greater loss in the volume of their hippocampus, a region of the brain whose loss is linked to Alzheimer's disease. People who years earlier had held more unpleasant views of growing older had the same amount of hippocampus decline in three years as their more positive peers showed in nine.
The researchers also looked at brain autopsies of people in the study to investigate other markers of Alzheimer's disease. They looked specifically for buildup of amyloid plaques and neurofibrillary tangles, twisted strands of protein that accumulate in brain cells. Once again, they found that the people who had held more negative stereotypes about aging had significantly higher levels of both plaques and tangles.
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Post by Sangoma » Fri Jan 27, 2017 1:52 am

Tangentially related issue worth mentioning. Currently there is a lot of research on ERAS, which stands for the Accelerated Recovery After Surgery. Usually medical research concentrates on one thing at a time, and most interventions didn't seem to make a difference. For example, changing how pain is controlled after surgery or anaesthetic technique doesn't make a difference. ERAS takes into consideration many variables, about twenty, and implementing all of them makes significant difference. Not only mortality and morbidity is decreased, but in some studies it also leads to reduced recurrence! Another example of accumulated benefit.
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Post by JimZipCode » Fri Jan 27, 2017 4:41 am

Sangoma wrote:ERAS takes into consideration many variables, about twenty, and implementing all of them makes significant difference. Not only mortality and morbidity is decreased, but in some studies it also leads to reduced recurrence! Another example of accumulated benefit.
What were the variables?
Or as many of them as can be described easily.
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Post by Sangoma » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:48 pm

In a nutshell:
- optimization of preoperative nutritional status (lose weight, improve macronutrient intake)
- improvement of exercise capacity
- stop smoking and drimking
- optimization of organ function (get blood pressure under control, blood sugar etc.)
- pre-operative hydration and carbohydrate drinks (that's new)
- avoid bowel prep
- optimal stress control during surgery
- use of regional anaesthesia - epidural, other techniques
- limiting fluids during surgery (for colo-rectal surgery)
- less use of drains and naso-gastric tubes
- early post-operative mobilization and nutrition
- effective pain relief and reduction in the amount of opioids

Quite a few are in the hand of the patient, as you can see.
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