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Re: Podcast research

Post by bennyonesix » Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:44 am

Boris wrote:I don't know how much making a big slow cooker full of chili costs for us (I've never broken it down), but it's probably around $10 and it could feed my family for 2 full days.
Youand your kids eat crockpot chili every meal for two days in a row? 7 days?

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Boris wrote:I don't know how much making a big slow cooker full of chili costs for us (I've never broken it down), but it's probably around $10 and it could feed my family for 2 full days.
Youand your kids eat crockpot chili every meal for two days in a row? 7 days?

We get about 2 meals a day for 2-2.5 days out of Sunday chilli. So leftovers lunch and dinner until Wednesday. There's 4 of us and the kids usually eat theirs over rice.
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Re: Podcast research

Post by Boris » Sun Feb 26, 2017 4:13 pm

bennyonesix wrote:
Boris wrote:I don't know how much making a big slow cooker full of chili costs for us (I've never broken it down), but it's probably around $10 and it could feed my family for 2 full days.
Youand your kids eat crockpot chili every meal for two days in a row? 7 days?
Jesus, can you read, troll? COULD

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Post by Sangoma » Sun Feb 26, 2017 6:59 pm

Benny if reverting to ridiculing as the means of winning the argument. What, you could eat THAT?! Whatever it is - chilly crockpot, cottage cheese, grilled fish, sweet potato - anything, as long as it's longer than... when Benny decides to pull the trigger.

Going back to the real topic - less variety in food (within reason) - helps to reduce the intake. Bodybuilders traditionally stick to rice and chicken breast for lunch for months during leaning out cycle. The results are not too shabby.
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Re: Podcast research

Post by bennyonesix » Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:14 am

Boris wrote:
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Boris wrote:I don't know how much making a big slow cooker full of chili costs for us (I've never broken it down), but it's probably around $10 and it could feed my family for 2 full days.
Youand your kids eat crockpot chili every meal for two days in a row? 7 days?
Jesus, can you read, troll? COULD
Well then what is the point of bringing it up?

If your family doesn't and you seem to be one with a handle on intake, why would someone not as immune to the external factors be able to do it?

Todays "culture" is nothing more than the innundation of temptation to destroy oneself economically, physically and spiritually. We have allowed and encourage multi billion dollar industries to exist who's sole purpose is to wreck the lives of citizens: usury, entertainment/porn and food. Until that changes, your CICO and you can eat cheap and healthy is useless. Just like telling people how bad debt is or how bad porn is.

And just like it was for cigarettes until we made it incredibly uncomfortable to smoke (and we still have smoking).

What I am arguing is that, until we institute a regime a la smoking wrt to food, we will not see any meaningful decrease in obesity.

My point as to relative cheapness of food is a minor (and not even necessary) piece of proof in that argument.

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Re: Podcast research

Post by bennyonesix » Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:17 am

Sangoma wrote:Benny if reverting to ridiculing as the means of winning the argument. What, you could eat THAT?! Whatever it is - chilly crockpot, cottage cheese, grilled fish, sweet potato - anything, as long as it's longer than... when Benny decides to pull the trigger.

Going back to the real topic - less variety in food (within reason) - helps to reduce the intake. Bodybuilders traditionally stick to rice and chicken breast for lunch for months during leaning out cycle. The results are not too shabby.
Look up the thread. I eat v similarly. And I am a tiny minority in food intake. It is the way one has to eat to control weight. It is the way everyone ate until the late 1980's. It stopped because we allow and encourage the food industry to profit off enfattening the populace. Change that and you'll see results. Leave that, and you'll see no change: just an inexorable increase in obesity.

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Re: Podcast research

Post by bennyonesix » Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:22 am

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bennyonesix wrote:
Boris wrote:I don't know how much making a big slow cooker full of chili costs for us (I've never broken it down), but it's probably around $10 and it could feed my family for 2 full days.
Youand your kids eat crockpot chili every meal for two days in a row? 7 days?

We get about 2 meals a day for 2-2.5 days out of Sunday chilli. So leftovers lunch and dinner until Wednesday. There's 4 of us and the kids usually eat theirs over rice.
Nice. That's great and must have been tough to instill and tougher to maintain. If those habits hold, your kids they should worship the ground you walk on because you've saved them a lot of unpleasantness.

Sadly, you are in the minority, people do not resist the wiles of big business. They just don't. Never have, never will. I believe it is a genetic thing but it doesn't matter. They don't resist. Never have, never will. Until we institute a tobacco regime on food, people will grow ever more obese. No matter how many internalize CICO.

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Re: Podcast research

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bennyonesix wrote:
Blaidd Drwg wrote:
bennyonesix wrote:
Boris wrote:I don't know how much making a big slow cooker full of chili costs for us (I've never broken it down), but it's probably around $10 and it could feed my family for 2 full days.
Youand your kids eat crockpot chili every meal for two days in a row? 7 days?

We get about 2 meals a day for 2-2.5 days out of Sunday chilli. So leftovers lunch and dinner until Wednesday. There's 4 of us and the kids usually eat theirs over rice.
Nice. That's great and must have been tough to instill and tougher to maintain. If those habits hold, your kids they should worship the ground you walk on because you've saved them a lot of unpleasantness.

Sadly, you are in the minority, people do not resist the wiles of big business. They just don't. Never have, never will. I believe it is a genetic thing but it doesn't matter. They don't resist. Never have, never will. Until we institute a tobacco regime on food, people will grow ever more obese. No matter how many internalize CICO.



My god you're such a nihilist. It wasn't remotely hard....and if you ask any third grader they'll tell you if you don't want the be a fat ass don't eat so much... my kids aren't special in this regard.

Not eating is hard. Nothing about blaming big business will make it easier.
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Re: Podcast research

Post by Sangoma » Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:42 am

bennyonesix wrote:
Sangoma wrote:Benny if reverting to ridiculing as the means of winning the argument. What, you could eat THAT?! Whatever it is - chilly crockpot, cottage cheese, grilled fish, sweet potato - anything, as long as it's longer than... when Benny decides to pull the trigger.

Going back to the real topic - less variety in food (within reason) - helps to reduce the intake. Bodybuilders traditionally stick to rice and chicken breast for lunch for months during leaning out cycle. The results are not too shabby.
Look up the thread. I eat v similarly. And I am a tiny minority in food intake. It is the way one has to eat to control weight. It is the way everyone ate until the late 1980's. It stopped because we allow and encourage the food industry to profit off enfattening the populace. Change that and you'll see results. Leave that, and you'll see no change: just an inexorable increase in obesity.
The balance, my friend, the balance. I agree with you about one thing: the excess of tastes does contribute to overeating - and ultimately obesity. I think it was Michael Pollan who said that these days there are more people who watch others cook on TV than those who actually cook.

This massive advertising of calorie dense food is impossible to fix, as Western economy is based on selling, which involves inventing things and, in our case, foods. Curiously, out of all reality shows cooking ones seem to be the most resilient. The drama of replacing turmeric with ground coriander, oh my...

I definitely find it easier to watch my intake when I make my diet less variable. My lunch for the next three days is improvised venison curry, rice and garden salad.
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Re: Podcast research

Post by bennyonesix » Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:08 pm

Blaidd Drwg wrote:
bennyonesix wrote:
Blaidd Drwg wrote:
bennyonesix wrote:
Boris wrote:I don't know how much making a big slow cooker full of chili costs for us (I've never broken it down), but it's probably around $10 and it could feed my family for 2 full days.
Youand your kids eat crockpot chili every meal for two days in a row? 7 days?

We get about 2 meals a day for 2-2.5 days out of Sunday chilli. So leftovers lunch and dinner until Wednesday. There's 4 of us and the kids usually eat theirs over rice.
Nice. That's great and must have been tough to instill and tougher to maintain. If those habits hold, your kids they should worship the ground you walk on because you've saved them a lot of unpleasantness.

Sadly, you are in the minority, people do not resist the wiles of big business. They just don't. Never have, never will. I believe it is a genetic thing but it doesn't matter. They don't resist. Never have, never will. Until we institute a tobacco regime on food, people will grow ever more obese. No matter how many internalize CICO.



My god you're such a nihilist. It wasn't remotely hard....and if you ask any third grader they'll tell you if you don't want the be a fat ass don't eat so much... my kids aren't special in this regard.

Not eating is hard. Nothing about blaming big business will make it easier.
If your kids aren't fat they are special. You just refuse to connect the dots because of your drugs and porn.

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Re: Podcast research

Post by bennyonesix » Mon Feb 27, 2017 4:09 pm

Sangoma wrote:
bennyonesix wrote:
Sangoma wrote:Benny if reverting to ridiculing as the means of winning the argument. What, you could eat THAT?! Whatever it is - chilly crockpot, cottage cheese, grilled fish, sweet potato - anything, as long as it's longer than... when Benny decides to pull the trigger.

Going back to the real topic - less variety in food (within reason) - helps to reduce the intake. Bodybuilders traditionally stick to rice and chicken breast for lunch for months during leaning out cycle. The results are not too shabby.
Look up the thread. I eat v similarly. And I am a tiny minority in food intake. It is the way one has to eat to control weight. It is the way everyone ate until the late 1980's. It stopped because we allow and encourage the food industry to profit off enfattening the populace. Change that and you'll see results. Leave that, and you'll see no change: just an inexorable increase in obesity.
The balance, my friend, the balance. I agree with you about one thing: the excess of tastes does contribute to overeating - and ultimately obesity. I think it was Michael Pollan who said that these days there are more people who watch others cook on TV than those who actually cook.

This massive advertising of calorie dense food is impossible to fix, as Western economy is based on selling, which involves inventing things and, in our case, foods. Curiously, out of all reality shows cooking ones seem to be the most resilient. The drama of replacing turmeric with ground coriander, oh my...

I definitely find it easier to watch my intake when I make my diet less variable. My lunch for the next three days is improvised venison curry, rice and garden salad.
Just like cigarettes can't be taxed into less consumption.

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Re: Podcast research

Post by Boris » Mon Feb 27, 2017 5:46 pm

bennyonesix wrote:
Boris wrote:
bennyonesix wrote:
Boris wrote:I don't know how much making a big slow cooker full of chili costs for us (I've never broken it down), but it's probably around $10 and it could feed my family for 2 full days.
Youand your kids eat crockpot chili every meal for two days in a row? 7 days?
Jesus, can you read, troll? COULD
Well then what is the point of bringing it up?
*sigh, okay I'll bite and I'm sure I'll regret it*

It's 3 people x 3 meals x 2 days = 18 meals. Of that, my wife and son will probably eat 6 in the course of a week as a main or side dish and I will eat the rest. That's pretty cheap for a nutritious meal high in protein. Once it's made, it's almost zero time to microwave.

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Post by Shafpocalypse Now » Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:26 pm

Those are today's prices Benny. McDonalds will cost you, what $8-10...comparable price, quality, and time commitment.
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Shafpocalypse Now wrote:Glassman did a piece in an early Crossfit Journal, or maybe one of his original writers, comparing the time it took to get McDonald's vs going to the grocery store and getting ready to eat food there, think better lunch eats, tuna, fruit, yogurt, etc and it turns out that cost and time are very comparable, except you can get far more protein at the grocery store.

Let me give a concrete example

Pouch of tuna, 0.88 add hot sauce
Siggi's yogurt. 1.50
Apple, 0.25
1/3 cup of nuts, 1.75
Diet coke, 1.65

Pretty cheap. High in protein, good fats, fiber...can be easily modified for more or less of anything, including water, iced tea, milk, coconut water etc
I will do this experiment tmw. It may have been true in the past (glassmann is a fucking liar tho) but with inflation of food prices I bet it isn't now. I wiil buy Steven's meal and what from McD's? I haven't eaten anything but a mckinley mac there in a decade. A double quarter pounder super value meal? What?

And, to be clear AGAIN, my point relies on the closeness of the prices. But no one understands my argument anyway.

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Post by Shafpocalypse Now » Mon Feb 27, 2017 7:27 pm

You're argument is "people can't control themselves, the evil corporations have brainwashed them into eating shit all the time. It's all black peoples fault!"

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Except for the black pepo part, yes, exactly.

Just like cigarettes.

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Post by bennyonesix » Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:15 pm

And not that "people can't control themselves". But that people do not resist advertising and big business. They never have and never will.

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Post by Turdacious » Mon Feb 27, 2017 9:17 pm

bennyonesix wrote:And not that "people can't control themselves". But that people do not resist advertising and big business. They never have and never will.
What kind of tinfoil hat is needed for effective resistance?
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bennyonesix wrote: Just like cigarettes can't be taxed into less consumption.
I don't think tax on cigarettes is the primary reason for he reduction in smoking. It was much more: aggressive anti-smoking campaign in the media, advertising ban, creating the image of smoking as an anti-social activity, blame game - the kids and innocent people around you, workplace smoking bad etc. Not to forget that smoking is not a physiological process, like eating. It is also black and white: smoking bad - not smoking good, whereas the line separating foods that make you fat and those that don't is blurry. Will you tax take away spaghetti? Sandwiches? Pizza? How do you tax foods? Calorie density? Taste additives? How are you going to reinforce it?

I am not sure this culture change that happened in relation to smoking can be implemented in food.
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Post by bennyonesix » Tue Feb 28, 2017 1:28 am

I think the tax was the necessary and sufficient reason. But couple that with all the rest and you really got something. And by all the rest I mean social shaming and ostracism: by the media and peers. We have to make eating like shit incredibly expensive and being fat an intolerable situation via shaming.

The mechanism is simple: tax the hell out of sugar and transfats and flour and corn syrup.

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bennyonesix wrote:I think the tax was the necessary and sufficient reason. But couple that with all the rest and you really got something. And by all the rest I mean social shaming and ostracism: by the media and peers. We have to make eating like shit incredibly expensive and being fat an intolerable situation via shaming.

The mechanism is simple: tax the hell out of sugar and transfats and flour and corn syrup.
You cannot socially shame and ostracise the obese, even if for PC. Do you expect me to shame my overweight friends? As far as taxing nutrients - how do you picture the logistics - creating another government agency to regulate this and reinforce the compliance? That's what any Western country needs the most: another tax and a new bunch of accompanying bureaucrats. "Eating like shit" is not clear cut.

If anything they should think about working body weight/BMI/body fat into the financial incentives system. Say, airlines charging people per lbs of body weight, tying insurance premiums and doctor visits to BMI (LBM if you wish), maybe even anthropometrics tax. Even then, it's very shaky.
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Post by dkay » Tue Feb 28, 2017 3:50 am

Jesus Christ, this is still going on? Sang, I can appreciate "the long game", but if your goal is to destroy this Training Board through dietary minutiae and sociological rabbit holes please speed the fuck up because the boredom is killing me.

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Sangoma wrote:
bennyonesix wrote:I think the tax was the necessary and sufficient reason. But couple that with all the rest and you really got something. And by all the rest I mean social shaming and ostracism: by the media and peers. We have to make eating like shit incredibly expensive and being fat an intolerable situation via shaming.

The mechanism is simple: tax the hell out of sugar and transfats and flour and corn syrup.
You cannot socially shame and ostracise the obese, even if for PC. Do you expect me to shame my overweight friends? As far as taxing nutrients - how do you picture the logistics - creating another government agency to regulate this and reinforce the compliance? That's what any Western country needs the most: another tax and a new bunch of accompanying bureaucrats. "Eating like shit" is not clear cut.

If anything they should think about working body weight/BMI/body fat into the financial incentives system. Say, airlines charging people per lbs of body weight, tying insurance premiums and doctor visits to BMI (LBM if you wish), maybe even anthropometrics tax. Even then, it's very shaky.
In the 80's it was done all the time. Friends shamed fat friends mercilessly. It would take one hit comedy to reintroduce it.

And we already have all the taxation infrastructure we need.

Collecting taxes is easy. Just turn the politicians loose. Once that money starts flowing in...

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Post by Sangoma » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:18 pm

Dkay is right, the conversation drifted in the wrong direction. My irritation was with the comedian giving out health and diet advise and playing a serious health journalist.
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