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Re: Podcast research

Post by bennyonesix » Thu Feb 23, 2017 4:30 am

buckethead wrote:Everyone that wants to make this so simplistic, please eat a deficit diet consisting of only
Breakfast: waffles or cereal with skim milk, apple juice
Lunch: white bread sandwich with bologna, chips and a coke
Dinner: pasta, cookies and a coke

Enjoy your hunger
Good experiment. One of you beep boop CICO motherfuckers do this for a month and report back.

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Re: Podcast research

Post by Sangoma » Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:39 am

buckethead wrote:Everyone that wants to make this so simplistic, please eat a deficit diet consisting of only
Breakfast: waffles or cereal with skim milk, apple juice
Lunch: white bread sandwich with bologna, chips and a coke
Dinner: pasta, cookies and a coke

Enjoy your hunger
Is it reductio ad absurdum or a straw man argument? Your menu is deficient in nutrients. I guess I can offer you the diet of butter and pork chops, it would keep you permanently full, would it? I am sure it would make you a great athlete, shredded and muscular. Or we can stick to the Golden Middle, without vilifying particular foods. As in eating everything without overdoing one or the other? By the way - I am not sure I already mentioned it - in many European countries traditional breakfast consists of pastries, including waffles, porridge, white bread with jam and croissants. Pretty sweet and high GI. Europe, where obesity lags behind North America and Australasia. It probably has something to do with the portion size, which is about a third of what is served in Sydney.

As an anecdote: one of the surgeons I know (orthopaedic) lives on Coke and chips. Literally. He is workaholic and probably sleeps five hours a day for the last twenty years. I seldom see him without a can of Coke in his hand. Slim and thin, though he is a bit of a dick, which I think has more to do with his field of specialisation than his diet. Another point of observation. Remember the movie Supersize Me? Somewhere in the middle they talk about this guy who has had McDonald's Big Mac every day for the last 20 or 25 years. The guy is thin - looks like a tradie who moves around the whole day. These observations are usually explained away by body type, genes or fast metabolism. I suspect though it has everything to do with the calorie balance.
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Re: Podcast research

Post by buckethead » Thu Feb 23, 2017 1:54 pm

Thank you for agreeing that cico by itself is a useless concept. Which is all my original point was but somehow got you guys triggered

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Re: Podcast research

Post by Turdacious » Thu Feb 23, 2017 5:13 pm

Weight loss is hard. FWIW, there's a blog where a guy discusses his years long failure at weight loss: http://moynihaninstitute.blogspot.com/
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Re: Podcast research

Post by Blaidd Drwg » Thu Feb 23, 2017 5:32 pm

bennyonesix wrote:But, if we banned advertising and taxed the fuck out of sugar and corn and white flour we could turn it around in another generation.
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Assumes facts not remotely in evidence. Abundnacve is abundance...quit blaming sugar, advertising....
buckethead wrote:Thank you for agreeing that cico by itself is a useless concept. Which is all my original point was but somehow got you guys triggered
Wrong..it's the ONLY truly useful one. If you can;t make it work, you're just weak. Period. Full stop.


It has become ultra clear that everyone who resists the fundamental truth of CICO, is basically a wistfully praying that the world was different than it is.

Follow any diet based on those principles. ANY DIET. Follow It...no really...do exactly that diet. You'll lose weight and then you'll understand something. Until then, it's all navel gazing and wishing the world was not such a hard place to be...poor babies.
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Re: Podcast research

Post by buckethead » Thu Feb 23, 2017 5:54 pm

How is telling people to eat whole food navel gazing? You are completely emotional about the wrong topic

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Post by Blaidd Drwg » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:37 pm

buckethead wrote:How is telling people to eat whole food navel gazing? You are completely emotional about the wrong topic
You are the one assuming that's what I'm talking about, darlin.

Look, use whatever strategies you think allow you to achieve a net calorie deficit. Just don't be a soft cunt like Benny and balm the board for his failure at playing the game...(advertising made me a fat fuck) and don't pretend you have sound science backing you up. CICO is the first rule. Once you understand rule one, all the other navel gazing falls into place.
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Post by Boris » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:38 pm

bennyonesix wrote:And healthy food is cheap? You eat 250gr of real food protein a day and fresh vegetables and tell me it is cheaper than fast food or pizza...
Well, I don't know about '250g of real food protein' (I don't think I've ever been able to get that much protein on a regular basis by any means), but you can eat healthy and well on the cheap if you're not a dumbass and have rudimentary cooking skills.

Let me say it again (but for the first time this thread), if I was single, money strapped, and poor at cooking but armed with a slow cooker, I'd eat well and cheaply.

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Post by bennyonesix » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:41 pm

Yeah, if you are not the avg person and have detached from the cultural norms and understandings as implanted and perpetuated by advertising etc etc then yeah, you can eat healthily for more money and much more invested time.

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Re: Podcast research

Post by Boris » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:45 pm

Oh Jesus Benny... I'm not arguing that dieting is easy.

Not more money. I can calculate it out for you if you want. Maybe more invested time, but that is arguable.

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Post by Blaidd Drwg » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:46 pm

bennyonesix wrote:And healthy food is cheap? You eat 250gr of real food protein a day and fresh vegetables and tell me it is cheaper than fast food or pizza...

and who the fuck is average that needs 250grams of protein per day?

I've been a dabbling competitive athlete for 25 plus years for 10 at an elite level in Cycling and at the high hacker level in SM/HG/PL...I've very very rarely needed that much protein. You as a weak non hacker with a spare tire certainly need even less.
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Post by Blaidd Drwg » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:50 pm

How the hell is Benny the Brilliant Law Dawg so easily pushed around by advertising and cultural norms?

The Cultural Norm is to be fat... if you want to be other than "normal" .....you do "not normal" stuff. Sorry if Cosmo set unrealistic expectations for you of sitting around in bunny slippers watching your soaps with rippling abs and nice full breasteseses
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Re: Podcast research

Post by bennyonesix » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:50 pm

I'm 6'5 230 and I run a lot.

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Post by Blaidd Drwg » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:51 pm

bennyonesix wrote:I'm 6'5 230 and I run a lot.

You still don;t need 250grams a day even if you weren't lying...which you are.
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Post by Blaidd Drwg » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:52 pm

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Re: Podcast research

Post by bennyonesix » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:54 pm

Ok. I am lying. How much does my avg height fat ass need?

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Re: Podcast research

Post by Blaidd Drwg » Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:57 pm

bennyonesix wrote:Ok. I am lying. How much does my avg height fat ass need?
well considering how much fast food garbage you eat it's hard to unravel.

scientifically speaking 105-150
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Re: Podcast research

Post by Boris » Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:00 pm

Benny, are you saying you get 250g of protein a day? What do you eat and how much do you spend a day doing so?

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Post by Blaidd Drwg » Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:02 pm

I've been eating and training my balls off for the last 6 plus years, and I can barely shovel down 250 a day for a couple days in a row.

1g:KG to 1g: per LB of LBM is solid.

For soemone doing light endurance activities, this recommendation is beyond adequate and is validated not just by people doing performance nutrition in the field but also at the NIH.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3701462
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Re: Podcast research

Post by bennyonesix » Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:17 pm

Boris wrote:Benny, are you saying you get 250g of protein a day? What do you eat and how much do you spend a day doing so?
I shoot for that. I usually get 200. 6 eggs (I scamble 24 at a time they hold well). 3 tins tuna. Chicken breasts/hamburger/roast pork and beans (cook a bunch on weekend). Cottage cheese. Cheese. Skyr.

I make the skyr and cook the meat.

A shake if I need it.

Ditched pintos because estrogenic lol.

This is the tuna. It is worth it.
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Re: Podcast research

Post by Blaidd Drwg » Thu Feb 23, 2017 8:32 pm

good god.....complaining about the cost of clean food and buying ultra primo $ tuna.
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Re: Podcast research

Post by bennyonesix » Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:11 pm

27 cents an ounce?

It is worth every damn penny.

The neoliberal looting of the US middle class has been very good to me.

Two whole chickens a week at 8 lbs at $4 a lb = $32

6 lb Bone in Pork Butt at $5.00 = $30

5lbs boneless chuck/sirloin at $5.25 = $26

2lbs beans (fancy!) at $3.50 = $7

4 dz eggs at ?

Skyr is just cost of milk

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Re: Podcast research

Post by Blaidd Drwg » Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:38 pm

Ahhh...so you're just gonna concede the bullshit line about how it's expensive to eat clean?



Cool story.

So you realize the only way your point holds water with your own example is if you're a slave to your desires, trapped by the tube, living off fast food, destitute and fat as fuck?

or perhaps it's actually simple as just don't eat so much you fat ass. If you insist on eating more volume, eat whole foods.

CICO...

make good food choices.

it's not complicated, but it's also not easy. Few things are.
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Re: Podcast research

Post by Boris » Thu Feb 23, 2017 9:40 pm

Wait, you eat like that and scoffed at the slow cooker?...

Apparently I am just too dumb to follow your arguments.

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