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Nike's 2:00:24 Marathon test

Post by Alfred_E._Neuman » Sat May 06, 2017 10:04 pm

Anybody else follow Nike's science experiment to see if they could get an athlete to run a sub 2 hour marathon? Eliud Kipchoge managed to get a 2 hour and 24 second marathon in under non-WR legal conditions.

Basically, they had a rotating group of pacers run in a wedge in front of the sub-2 hour prospects on a 2.4k course. Motorpaced by a Tesla at exactly 2 hour pace. With some super shoes that Nike says is worth 4% energy savings at 4:30 mile pace. Nutrition was handed up by scooter.

The attempt got close enough that I think on any given day it could work. Just didn't work this time. But the fact that it's still hit or miss on whether you can motorpace the world's best on a flat circuit to 2 hour time means we're probably near the ceiling of what we'll see on the road. It may be a decade or more before someone comes along that can run a legit sub 2 hour marathon under WR legal conditions.
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Post by aussie luke » Sat May 06, 2017 10:52 pm

Thought it was awesome. Caught the last half hour live.

Not much different to shorter races on a track, just longer. Can't have been that much benefit from the shoes, pacers and track etc as the other two didn't come close.

Real shame he missed it but the 2 hour number was arbitrary really. Just sounds nice.

Also 'only 24 seconds' sounds like not much but it's almost 1 second per mile, which at that pace is a massive difference.

Also sick of everyone saying it's just about selling shoes. Yes they sell shoes but a new fashion trainer or basketball shoe would sell a lot more than an elite running shoe.

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Post by Bob Wildes » Mon May 08, 2017 8:35 pm

FWIW I read Tim Noakes huge running book shortly after its 2003 release.

Two things that stood out were the effect of weather and drafting efficiency.

A near perfect weather day happens on occasion.

I do not see how the drafting thing will ever work in an actual race. The dude that is
going at a 2:00 pace will be so far ahead of everyone he will not get the benefit of
one or more runners ahead of him allowing him to draft.

If they change the rules and allow pacers to jump in at various stages of the marathon it
could work.
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Post by dead man walking » Tue May 09, 2017 12:45 pm

that flying wedge of car plus pacers has got to be worth significant time. a minute? i don't have a clue, but being able to draft consistently must make some difference.

i guess we'll see if the shoes are money in future marathons if all the top finishers in future races are wearing them. improvements in equipment (golf, tennis, for ex) can be a big deal. doesn't the nike shoe have some carbon fiber insole that returns more energy--basically a spring?

ultimately though, he failed. he only ran a 4.35/mile pace. slowpoke.
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Post by aussie luke » Tue May 09, 2017 3:01 pm

Lots of racing shoes have hard plastic inserts these days.

Bikes get lighter. Swimming suits get slicker. Running tracks get bouncier...

Still a guy ran 26.2 miles in a hair over 2 hours. Minutes faster than anyone before. Literally twice as fast as I could on my best day.

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Post by Bob Wildes » Tue May 09, 2017 4:34 pm

Maybe one or two guys on this board were able to run a mile in 4:30 in their prime.

My guess is the great majority never ran a mile in under 5:30.
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Post by Gin Master » Thu May 18, 2017 3:44 pm

Bob Wildes wrote:Maybe one or two guys on this board were able to run a mile in 4:30 in their prime.

My guess is the great majority never ran a mile in under 5:30.
4:30 mile? Shit.

42195 meters/ 7225 sec= 1600m / x
273.968 sec/1600m

68.49 sec PER QUARTER MILE for a damn marathon. How many people were ever able to run a single sub-70 quarter?

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Post by Blaidd Drwg » Thu May 18, 2017 5:11 pm

Gin Master wrote:
Bob Wildes wrote:Maybe one or two guys on this board were able to run a mile in 4:30 in their prime.

My guess is the great majority never ran a mile in under 5:30.
4:30 mile? Shit.

42195 meters/ 7225 sec= 1600m / x
273.968 sec/1600m

68.49 sec PER QUARTER MILE for a damn marathon. How many people were ever able to run a single sub-70 quarter?
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Re: Nike's 2:00:24 Marathon test

Post by Beer Jew » Thu May 18, 2017 7:46 pm

That's 421 x 100m sprints at 14 seconds per 100m

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Post by Sangoma » Thu May 18, 2017 11:15 pm

I think we will see under 2h marathon fairly soon. Real life races sometimes have little advantages, such as more downhill, and if the weather is perfect and some African guy is in his peak on the day 2 hohr will fall.

The speeds are fucking scary though. Especially when you watch these guys sprint for the last 2-3 km. Looks like the start of the race, not finish!
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Post by WildGorillaMan » Fri May 19, 2017 3:06 pm

Beer Jew wrote:That's 421 x 100m sprints at 14 seconds per 100m
Well, when you put it like that...
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Re: Nike's 2:00:24 Marathon test

Post by Alfred_E._Neuman » Fri May 19, 2017 10:25 pm

Beer Jew wrote:That's 421 x 100m sprints at 14 seconds per 100m
With a 0.0 second recovery interval between repeats.
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