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Re: Of Pistols and BW Squats

Post by Wild Bill » Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:29 pm

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Re: Of Pistols and BW Squats

Post by Wild Bill » Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:37 pm

Most of you did some kind of yoga, and in any yoga there are one leg balances.

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Re: Of Pistols and BW Squats

Post by SubClaw » Mon Jun 08, 2020 5:32 am

Wild Bill wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:37 pm
Most of you did some kind of yoga, and in any yoga there are one leg balances.
No one here is dismissing the only true benefit of pistol squats: balance training.

No one here is doing Yoga trying to develop their legs either.

Take a hint.
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Re: Of Pistols and BW Squats

Post by Wild Bill » Mon Jun 08, 2020 5:44 am

SubClaw wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 5:32 am
Wild Bill wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:37 pm
Most of you did some kind of yoga, and in any yoga there are one leg balances.
No one here is dismissing the only true benefit of pistol squats: balance training.

No one here is doing Yoga trying to develop their legs either.

Take a hint.
You are like a fanatic.
You really think that when i lifting my weight with one leg my leg muscles do not working?

PS
When i mention yoga, i wanted to say that in yoga balance work much harder than in pistol and still you doing it.
I repeat, in pistol practically no any balance chalenge, it is pure strength.

Aussie Luke uses trx for balance just because he afraid for his knees, but if he will try, he will do the pistol from the first try.
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Re: Of Pistols and BW Squats

Post by Wild Bill » Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:16 am

In Russia pistols do absolutely all children sports. Wrestling, gymnastics, hockey, weightlifting... all.
It is standard exercise to develop legs.

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Post by Wild Bill » Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:27 am

Wrestling

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Gymnastic

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Post by Wild Bill » Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:36 am

When they growing up, they start to use barbell.
But practically all pro athletes in Russia did pistol squats, because it is standard method of developing legs.

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Post by Wild Bill » Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:47 am

From the book "Weight lifting" by Dvorkin.

"Pistol - squatting on one leg, the second stretched forward. Special exercise for leg muscles."

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Re: Of Pistols and BW Squats

Post by SubClaw » Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:08 am

Five consecutive meaningless messages but I am the fanatic, here.

Sure, sure...
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Re: Of Pistols and BW Squats

Post by Wild Bill » Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:10 am

SubClaw wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:08 am
Five consecutive meaningless messages but I am the fanatic, here.

Sure, sure...
Do you avoiding a question?

Do you really think that when i lifting my weight with one leg my leg muscles do not working?
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Post by Wild Bill » Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:14 am

From "Leg exercises for soccer player for preventing injures" 1986

The maximum range of motion in the knee joint can be achieved by performing squats on one leg - a “pistol”, holding a weight in one or both hands .
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Re: Of Pistols and BW Squats

Post by Wild Bill » Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:25 am

SubClaw wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:08 am
Five consecutive meaningless messages but I am the fanatic, here.

Sure, sure...
Yes, you are fanatic, it is obvious, you can not explain your hate to standard exercise.

I can not be fanatic, because it is standard exercise :) just like pullups or pushups.
Shit, its like cleaning teeth, noone can be fanatic of cleaning teeth.

Pullups, pushups and pistols - it is a standard home training. Everyone know this.
Except you :)

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Re: Of Pistols and BW Squats

Post by SubClaw » Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:25 am

Wild Bill wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:10 am
Do you really think that when i lifting my weight with one leg my leg muscles do not working?
Even when you breathe, muscles are being worked. So what?

That doesn't mean you are doing shit right.

Now you will go into another ridiculous posting frenzy, sputtering nonsense across several messages which nobody will read or care for.
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Post by Wild Bill » Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:56 am

SubClaw wrote:... frenzy, sputtering ...
ha :)
you are insulting me practically in every post, and it is me who is frenzy and sputtering?

and you are mistaken if think that all my posts are targeting to you.
thread is about pistols, so I posting shit about pistols wich I found interesting.

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Post by Wild Bill » Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:39 pm

JasonC wrote:
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What does Rudnev use?
He is now preparing to do 100/100 again.

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Post by Sangoma » Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:08 am

SubClaw, stop harassing Wild Bill. If you look around you can find bastardized versions of every lift. We have seen heavy benching done on Swiss balls, haven't we? I am the last guy to defend pistols done on a KB handle.

I am guilty of not making myself clear one hundred percent. Pistol is a pure bodyweight exercise. It's not supposed to be loaded, just like pushups (and one armed pushups) aren't. Or Dog Bird in Yoga for that matter. As BW exercise pistol - in my opinion and personal experience - has benefits. In addition to building strength it improves balance, and I fail to see how that is a bad thing.

The main problem with pistols is a relatively high starting threshold: most average folks cannot do one rep, either because of lack of strength or flexibility. But so does a pull up, for example, and many folks have to work up their way to one rep. Is all this work worthwhile for pushups? Absolutely. For pistols? You decide. Nobody stops you to get good at one legged deadlift first (ankle in hand behind the buttock), then progress to full ROM.

Pistols is not an essential movement, sure. But then overhead squat is not either, yet it has benefits. Is pistol a replacement for barbell squat? No. Neither is pushup a replacement for a bench, so what, don't do pushups? At the end of the day it's a personal choice. Is unloaded pistol particularly more dangerous for the knees or the back? I don't think so.
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Re: Of Pistols and BW Squats

Post by SubClaw » Tue Jun 09, 2020 4:41 am

Sangoma wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:08 am
SubClaw, stop harassing Wild Bill.
Should I infer that you also agree with the retard when he wrote that back squats are harmful and balance is not a factor with pistol squats?

Are you fucking serious?
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Post by Wild Bill » Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:28 am

I often losing balance in handstands, so I can say that in handstands balance is a big factor.

But I never lost balance in a pistol.
Never.
Really never, not even one time.

When I stop, it is always because I have not strength for next rep.

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Post by Sangoma » Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:01 am

SubClaw wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 4:41 am
Sangoma wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:08 am
SubClaw, stop harassing Wild Bill.
Should I infer that you also agree with the retard when he wrote that back squats are harmful and balance is not a factor with pistol squats?

Are you fucking serious?
Just calm down and read the rest of my post. Leave Old Bill alone.
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Re: Of Pistols and BW Squats

Post by SubClaw » Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:13 am

Sangoma wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:01 am
Leave Old Bill alone.
Now we're getting somewhere...

But I don't see you contesting ANY of his preposterous statements. Specifically those regarding the harmfulness of the back squat and the lack of a balance component in the pistol squats. Why is that?

Is that some kind of misguided old country solidarity or what?

I'm genuinely curious, because I've seen you calling bullshit several times, on this forum and "the other" one. And it seems kind of strange this "overlook".
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Post by Sangoma » Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:36 am

It's not misguided solidarity, I simply haven't read most of the posts. The topic in question is pistols, and I didn't want to dilute my outpouring wisdom with mundane argument about the obvious.
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Re: Of Pistols and BW Squats

Post by Wild Bill » Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:37 am

SubClaw wrote:
Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:13 am
lack of a balance component in the pistol squats.
What is balance component for you?
For me it is when balance limiting your progress in some move. For example in HS pushups limiting factor is balance.
In pistols balance is in no way a limiting factor.

Next.
For you exercise can be only a balance or only a strength?
And when you add "balance component" to exercise it is immidiately lost its strength component?

What about press to handstands? Is it balance or strength move? Or both?

Then, you also mumbled something about mechanic of pistol.
Well, in two legged squat legs bending and then straightening. And this is strength movement.
Ok.
Now one legged squat. One leg is bending and then straightening, but this is not strength move. Why?

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Post by Sangoma » Tue Jun 09, 2020 8:48 am

Ромыч, насчёт баланса я с тобой тоже не согласен. Большинство людей не может сделать пистолет из-за недостатка равновесия и гибкости. Именно поэтому пистолет и полезен как упражнение - потому что развивает чувство равновесия.
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