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Zero to One Mile Swim

Post by Grandpa's Spells » Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:06 pm

A while back I had an equipment failure in a kayak where I figured I'd better be able to swim pretty well. I'd done some Total Immersion swimming for freestyle and sidestroke, but switched to a running program for getting some cardio in when I felt like I wasn't really making a lot of progress on building distance in the pool.

Part of the preference was just that having a program is good. It turns out with the popularity of triathlons there are solid beginners programs to build up to a mile swim, and in only 6 weeks.
http://ruthkazez.com/swimming/ZeroTo1mile.html

I am finding what the author claims, that a lot of bad habits self-correct with distance. Also, swimming slowly feels a lot less weird than running very slow, so it's easier to keep HR in a Maffetone zone. Recommended.
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Re: Zero to One Mile Swim

Post by nafod » Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:54 pm

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A while back I had an equipment failure in a kayak where I figured I'd better be able to swim pretty well.
Glad you were able to swim to safety

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Re: Zero to One Mile Swim

Post by Fat Cat » Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:06 pm

Where do you kayak? A lake?
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Re: Zero to One Mile Swim

Post by Grandpa's Spells » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:14 am

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Where do you kayak? A lake?
Sometimes rivers, but mainly on Lake Michigan, which isn’t the Pacific but people surf in the fall and winter.
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Re: Zero to One Mile Swim

Post by nafod » Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:49 pm

I understand the lake is unfrozen this year. Been out paddling through the winter?
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Re: Zero to One Mile Swim

Post by Fat Cat » Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:34 pm

Grandpa's Spells wrote:
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Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:06 pm
Where do you kayak? A lake?
Sometimes rivers, but mainly on Lake Michigan, which isn’t the Pacific but people surf in the fall and winter.
Understood. People die in bathtubs, so certainly being a strong swimmer is critical, lake or otherwise. You do wear a PFD right?
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Re: Zero to One Mile Swim

Post by Grandpa's Spells » Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:26 pm

Yeah, I always wear one, and dress for immersion. You should also have a buddy but that's not always possible for me. I can roll a kayak if I capsize, but the conditions under which I fail, and have to exit the boat, are also those where I'm likely to get separated from it or can't get back in.

With the PFD, drowning is less of a risk than hypothermia. We have kayakers around here and Milwaukee die every year, usually having done something careless, but it's also often when they are close to shore/boat where a strong swimmer with a PFD may have survived. I've had a couple instances where rescue gear didn't work as intended, nobody's getting back in the boat, and it could have been serious.

Honestly a handheld marine radio that clips to a PFD is common among guides, and is probably a good idea, but being able to put in a 30-60 minute effort of continuous swimming is too.
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Re: Zero to One Mile Swim

Post by nafod » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:48 pm

We had to do practice swims with survival gear in Navy flight training. How you swim with a buoyancy assist is a different technique from a free swim, so it'd be worth doing laps with a PFD to experience it.

We sidekicked, breast stroked, or back stroked. Use the legs for the push, arms to guide. Slow and easy wins the race.
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Re: Zero to One Mile Swim

Post by Grandpa's Spells » Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:58 pm

Can you glide in all that? I swim in jammers now, which was a pretty huge difference from trunks. In open water, with a drytop and PFD, it seems like it would be hard to do any amount of real gliding, unless it's just for pacing.

Navy teaches a sidestroke variation to BUD/S candidates that was developed by the Total Immersion guy, but they apparently switch from a scissor kick barefoot to a flutter kick with fins for most of their swims.
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Re: Zero to One Mile Swim

Post by Grandpa's Spells » Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:41 am

just An update on this, it’s extremely doable and is something everybody should probably do. Even 30 minute sessions building up distance makes a huge difference, and YouTube for tips helps smooth out issues. I was a poor enough swimmer to be concerned and am sure I could do a triathlon this year.
“nafod” wrote:I understand the lake is unfrozen this year. Been out paddling through the winter?
Missed this earlier. Got a kayak last August that I’m not quite acclimated to yet for reliable rolling. Winter paddling may get on the menu once my youngest is a little older. Thinking of building a Frej from Bjorn Thomassen if I get ambitious now that I have a garage. Tighter fitting boats feel a lot safer.
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