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Re: Stuff that works

Post by Bennyonesix1 » Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:26 pm

Sure. I started with the Daniel Lyon book Pilates for Men. It's just fantastic. As much or as little detail as you want in that thing. And the progression works great. But it does take a little thinking to figure it out.

This guy Amit(?) has good vids on technique. He's not an annoying prissy gay. But I think Joe Pilates used a much much more athletic and gymnastic style with men. I try to do it more athletically

https://youtu.be/o0L0VmaeU-M

This would be an elite dude today. It's goofy and weird but impressive. I'm not interested in that.

https://youtu.be/5ShtfZp3Mwg

I try and do it like a boxer would do it. Not like it's some kind or weird performance art.

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Re: Stuff that works

Post by Bennyonesix1 » Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:31 pm

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I will say longer rucks with a 30# pack, with a heart rate between 85-105 (depends on speed, I don't get past 105 unless I'm on a hill now) has really dropped my resting heart rate.

This time last year, was between 59-63 RHR, today I am between 49-53 RHR.

This is just me with a pack, walking my dogs, basically, sometimes I push the pace, sometimes I just walk.

I do other cardio shit, and other weight shit, but this was a 3-5x weekly consistent 60-90 minutes of rucking
This would be more Van Aaken than maffetone i think. I think Van Aaken is better in every way.

Low ab work just flat out works. I've never looked back after getting talked into trying the Pilates mat routine. Sorted out my back and hips and flexibility. I do 9 sets of 3 diff exercises at a solid effort without counting reps everyday. Usually leg raises to start as the bread and butter then whatever. I make sure and turn my feet out "at the hips" to shut off the flexors amap. Really helps with overall movement.

Check out one of the old Fed Astaire or Gene Kelly movies and you can see the dudes move from their lower abs. Hard to not notice once you see it.

I'd wager money that speed and football type athletic ability correlates strongly to lower ab strength and activation.
Bennyonesix1, can you recommend a basic resource (e.g., YouTube?, DVD?) that presents the simple, basic Pilates mat routine? TIA
So, what I did was read the book and use that amit guy's vids if I couldn't visualize the movement myself.

The best thing is how protected the back is even in the movements that look extreme.

Fwiw, everyone says that the super-advanced Reformer on the Mat series can jack up the back without serious ab endurance. I doubt it, but they are challenging and if you were to try some while abs were exhausted you might tweak something.

But no one "needs" to do the Reformer movements.

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Re: Stuff that works

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Re: Stuff that works

Post by Bennyonesix1 » Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:54 pm

Nice dude. Yeah he had goofuses going pretty hard!

The one where you lay on your side and swing the top leg backc and forth is fucking IMPOSSIBLE.

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Re: Stuff that works

Post by Bennyonesix1 » Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:56 pm

The whole Advanced routine (not the reformer) takes me about 40 min. I can go pretty steady. I'm cooked at the end.

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Post by Bennyonesix1 » Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:28 pm

I eff'd up this is the amit dude

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLY ... l3tvSR6Eu8

That simone woman drives me crazy.

This is another one I simply cannot do. I try but it is just impossible.

https://youtu.be/6N5SuJe-aIY?list=PLYTm ... l3tvSR6Eu8

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Re: Stuff that works

Post by Bennyonesix1 » Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:42 am

The one with playlist in the link is a playlist of instructional vods by the amit dude. The one with the short haired cute brunette is the other.

Thanks for the effort but can ppl not click youtube links?

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Post by motherjuggs&speed » Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:58 am

You're dealing with lazy fucktards here. Can't be arsed.

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Re: Stuff that works

Post by Fat Cat » Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:14 pm

Bennyonesix1 wrote:
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The one with playlist in the link is a playlist of instructional vods by the amit dude. The one with the short haired cute brunette is the other.

Thanks for the effort but can ppl not click youtube links?
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Post by Turdacious » Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:19 pm

motherjuggs&speed wrote:
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You're dealing with lazy fucktards here. Can't be arsed.
It's a long established courtesy, and members want to know what they're clicking on.
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Re: Stuff that works

Post by Bennyonesix1 » Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:12 am

Yeah i've hidden porn on a YOUTUBE link idiot.

Don't look at it you broke dick worthless boring unfunny waste of internet space.

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Re: Stuff that works

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Bennyonesix1 wrote:
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This would be more Van Aaken than maffetone i think. I think Van Aaken is better in every way.
Now I'm interested. Care to expand the topic?
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Post by Bennyonesix1 » Wed Jul 29, 2020 8:51 pm

https://www.scienceofrunning.com/2016/0 ... e5dceea252

Run as much as possible below 130 and get skinny af. Like skeletal. Eat mostly protein and some fat and fast once a week.

Do a little running at race pace but only as long as HR stays low. Do not get breathless. Never go over 180. Never train on nerve or go into oxygen debt.

The skinnier you get the faster you go.

He didn't train sprinters.

His book The Van Aaken Method is short and great.

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Re: Stuff that works

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https://www.scienceofrunning.com/2016/0 ... e5dceea252

Run as much as possible below 130 and get skinny af. Like skeletal. Eat mostly protein and some fat and fast once a week.

Do a little running at race pace but only as long as HR stays low. Do not get breathless. Never go over 180. Never train on nerve or go into oxygen debt.

The skinnier you get the faster you go.

He didn't train sprinters.

His book The Van Aaken Method is short and great.
Very interesting, thank you. I had not heard of him.
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Post by Bennyonesix1 » Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:30 pm

Whites won't let themselves get skinny enough to run distance at elite levels.

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Post by Bennyonesix1 » Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:40 pm

The hardest thing for me but the most important was the mindset.

It has to be enjoyable in itself. Not enjoyable because you are pushing or moving toward a goal.

The act of running has to be pleasurable. The moment has to feel good in and of itself.

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Re: Stuff that works

Post by Fat Cat » Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:46 am

Bennyonesix1 wrote:
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The hardest thing for me but the most important was the mindset.

It has to be enjoyable in itself. Not enjoyable because you are pushing or moving toward a goal.

The act of running has to be pleasurable. The moment has to feel good in and of itself.
The Van Aaken related article sounded pretty Germanic and joyless: don't each much, don't drink much, run up to 40 km per day. I dunno brah...not my version of pleasurable in the strictest sense.
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Post by Bennyonesix1 » Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:57 am

I'm almost entirely Northern Euro. And it makes perfect sense. Hahahha

I was just pointing out that the running should be done at a speed where the movement itself is pleasurable. Almost like a meditation. Van Aaken's runners often ran in a group and talked to each other the whole time with smiles on their faces.

That's just how you find the sweet spot re effort

And it takes a long time to get fit enough to do it for long periods obviously.

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Bennyonesix1 wrote:
Wed Jul 29, 2020 8:51 pm
https://www.scienceofrunning.com/2016/0 ... e5dceea252

Run as much as possible below 130 and get skinny af. Like skeletal. Eat mostly protein and some fat and fast once a week.

Do a little running at race pace but only as long as HR stays low. Do not get breathless. Never go over 180. Never train on nerve or go into oxygen debt.

The skinnier you get the faster you go.

He didn't train sprinters.

His book The Van Aaken Method is short and great.
I will look into it. Thanks, man.
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Post by Sangoma » Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:34 am

My mission now is to figure out the methodologically sound way to train for wrestling endurance. This is one problem with traditional, so to a peak, sports, lack of formally educated coaches. So a lot depends on the head of the BJJ school you join. My problem right now - the owner of my school is an incredibly strong big guy. He has no idea of what it's like to be average. Neither he gets that pushing 50-something year old is not going to work the same way as with twenty year olds.

I reckon long runs would be beneficial for my purpose. The trick is to fit it in.
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Re: Stuff that works

Post by Bennyonesix1 » Fri Jul 31, 2020 1:33 pm

Would a circuit of freehand squat variations and pushups and ab work done at under 130 heart rate for say an hour or 45 min be effective?

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Re: Stuff that works

Post by Fat Cat » Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:45 pm

Sangoma wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:34 am
My mission now is to figure out the methodologically sound way to train for wrestling endurance. This is one problem with traditional, so to a peak, sports, lack of formally educated coaches. So a lot depends on the head of the BJJ school you join. My problem right now - the owner of my school is an incredibly strong big guy. He has no idea of what it's like to be average. Neither he gets that pushing 50-something year old is not going to work the same way as with twenty year olds.

I reckon long runs would be beneficial for my purpose. The trick is to fit it in.
Why reinvent the wheel? The correct method is as old as the hills and I've already told you it.
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Re: Stuff that works

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Fat Cat wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:45 pm
Sangoma wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:34 am
My mission now is to figure out the methodologically sound way to train for wrestling endurance. This is one problem with traditional, so to a peak, sports, lack of formally educated coaches. So a lot depends on the head of the BJJ school you join. My problem right now - the owner of my school is an incredibly strong big guy. He has no idea of what it's like to be average. Neither he gets that pushing 50-something year old is not going to work the same way as with twenty year olds.

I reckon long runs would be beneficial for my purpose. The trick is to fit it in.
Why reinvent the wheel? The correct method is as old as the hills and I've already told you it.
General endurance work (i.e. jogging/running) for conditioning and mat work for sport specific endurance?

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Re: Stuff that works

Post by Sangoma » Fri Jul 31, 2020 11:21 pm

Fat Cat wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:45 pm
Sangoma wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 7:34 am
My mission now is to figure out the methodologically sound way to train for wrestling endurance. This is one problem with traditional, so to a peak, sports, lack of formally educated coaches. So a lot depends on the head of the BJJ school you join. My problem right now - the owner of my school is an incredibly strong big guy. He has no idea of what it's like to be average. Neither he gets that pushing 50-something year old is not going to work the same way as with twenty year olds.

I reckon long runs would be beneficial for my purpose. The trick is to fit it in.
Why reinvent the wheel? The correct method is as old as the hills and I've already told you it.
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