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Re: Misogi

Post by Bedlam 0-0-0 » Tue May 29, 2012 10:45 am

Probably not a good plug after the previous post but Pema Chodron's books are 2 legit 2 quit.
I'm still a fucking dickhead after reading and applying these Tibetian Buddhist ideas but now I'm even more acutely aware of it.
Good for me.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_tc_2_0?r ... B000AP9Y2A
Good for you.

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Re: Misogi

Post by Bedlam 0-0-0 » Wed May 30, 2012 5:23 am

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ice water douse.
I rolled my ankle a week ago. It was almost healed and I drank too much, tripped on a swamp cooler line on a roof and fucked it the hell up again last night. Beside improving my hangover headache, the ice water douse dropped the pain in my ankle by at least 50%. Magic manna.

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Re: Misogi

Post by Fat Cat » Wed May 30, 2012 9:57 pm

Bedlam 1946 wrote:Some fuck wanted to talk shit and play grabass tonight. I Valley drop, mounted and arm barred the guy. I let him up, he talked more shit about "I could have fucked you up by grabbing your balls but I let you off easy." I let him test his hypothesis again. Behold the power of the scientific method.

Question:
Can you grab my balls when I own you and curtail the beating?
Hypothesis:
You can grab my balls and fuck my shit up.
Test:
I clinch, valley drop, mount, hit a triangle mount and figure four arm bar. He rips my shirt.
Analysis:
He loses

So, I'm a dickhead. Somethings yoga can't fix.

Oh well, hopefully back on the mat shortly. Apparently, my shoulder is ready.

One of our black belts is a very tough black guy named Kofi. He had years of experience in kenpo karate and he decided to take the Gracie Challenge and called Relson out, back in the late 80s. Relson took him down, mounted him, subbed him. As was common at the time, Kofi couldn't wrap his mind around it and assumed it was a fluke, so Relson did it to him again. So there he's flat on his back, mounted, getting blasted in the grill and he decides...fuck it...I'ma grab his balls and twist. So he tries, and Relson just laughed as he slapped him in the face, "My friend, I sit on my balls so you can't grab them." That's when Kofi decided that maybe, just maybe, these Gracies might know something.
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Re: Misogi

Post by Bedlam 0-0-0 » Thu May 31, 2012 1:48 am

Fat Cat wrote:
Bedlam 1946 wrote:Some fuck wanted to talk shit and play grabass tonight. I Valley drop, mounted and arm barred the guy. I let him up, he talked more shit about "I could have fucked you up by grabbing your balls but I let you off easy." I let him test his hypothesis again. Behold the power of the scientific method.

Question:
Can you grab my balls when I own you and curtail the beating?
Hypothesis:
You can grab my balls and fuck my shit up.
Test:
I clinch, valley drop, mount, hit a triangle mount and figure four arm bar. He rips my shirt.
Analysis:
He loses

So, I'm a dickhead. Somethings yoga can't fix.

Oh well, hopefully back on the mat shortly. Apparently, my shoulder is ready.

One of our black belts is a very tough black guy named Kofi. He had years of experience in kenpo karate and he decided to take the Gracie Challenge and called Relson out, back in the late 80s. Relson took him down, mounted him, subbed him. As was common at the time, Kofi couldn't wrap his mind around it and assumed it was a fluke, so Relson did it to him again. So there he's flat on his back, mounted, getting blasted in the grill and he decides...fuck it...I'ma grab his balls and twist. So he tries, and Relson just laughed as he slapped him in the face, "My friend, I sit on my balls so you can't grab them." That's when Kofi decided that maybe, just maybe, these Gracies might know something.
HA! That's great! I think you are right about people not being able to wrap their mind around the fact that they just got handled and the guy handling them didn't have to break them to pieces/cause lasting damage. My first jiujitsu teacher told me that if I choke someone out in an altercation I should sock them in the solar plexus afterward. That way when they wake up their diaphragm will be in spasm and they will freak out a bit trying to get their air back. It helps them reconsider re-engaging. I haven't used it yet and hopefully I won't have to but who knows what the future holds.

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Atilla's 5 pound dumb bell exercise series. It's easy to wank through these exercises which isn't beneficial. I sort of imagine I'm moving slowly through water to provide a low level dynamic tension quality to the exercises in addition to the weight. They have been nice on my shoulder and don't wear me out. Probably be able to continue doing the exercises when I get back on the mat without over doing anything.

Over the weekend I bought and shot a cow head in the face. For a video...not work out related but noteworthy imo. I probably can't get into Hindu Heaven now. No distinction between pure and impure.
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Re: Misogi

Post by Bedlam 0-0-0 » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:20 am

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Re: Misogi

Post by Bedlam 0-0-0 » Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:11 am

http://tinyurl.com/7dl9hwj
Path of Meditation quickview pdf.

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Re: Misogi

Post by Bedlam 0-0-0 » Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:29 am

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ice water douse

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I've been considering Patanjali's instructions of concentration and sensory withdrawl. I stayed with the mind fluctuations without trying to force them away or run from them. At some points I would jerk out of a pose due to my mind inadvertently trying to escape uncomfortable feelings or thought. As soon as I was aware of this I would go back into the pose and sit with the mind fluctuation. I'm getting the sense of when my mind is running away or grasping onto some idea or feeling. Eventually I felt the sensory stuff as reflections in my nervous system...specifically down the center of my body. This decreased the "grasping." Instead of trying to understand everything going on outside of me I could simmer down and pick up the reflections. Mind/heart/solar plexus/guts seem to be where a lot of this is located. The sticking with uncomfortableness seems to be a method of "concentration" while the reflections seem to be "withdraw of the senses." Withdraw of the senses may simply mean that a person begins to trust their nervous system to filter out more and more noise. This is helpful for PTSD and hyper vigilance. Trust that our nervous system will let us know when we need to focus on something instead of constantly thinking we have to check on every little thing. Maybe not for everyone...for me it is calming me down.

Counting from 100 to 0 is a simple easy method of concentration that works quick. Even 10-0 works well for me. Then let the reflections in the nervous system happen. When swimming I used this quick method and tried to keep my mind on the central part of my body while swimming across the pool on a breath. When I opened my eyes and tried to get somewhere instead of just riding the water I would use up much more o2. Getting across the pool with no breathe up is relatively easy now if I can keep my mind corralled.

Time to drink beers, skateboard around and leer at womenfolk.

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Re: Misogi

Post by Bedlam 0-0-0 » Sun Jun 03, 2012 4:12 am

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Sometimes I get the sense that meditation is taught as another form of distraction or a way to avoid the shit or grasp the shine of life. Here are some Pema Chodron quotes, "It's helpful to always remind yourself that meditation is about opening and relaxing with whatever arises, without picking and choosing. It's definitely not meant to repress anything, and it's not intended to encourage grasping either."

"Milarepa...said that the mind has more projections than there are dust motes in a sunbeam and that even hundreds of spears couldn't put an end to that. As meditators we might as well stop struggling against our thoughts and realize that honesty and humor are far more inspiring and helpful than any kind of solemn religious striving for or against anything."

pm
drove to las vegas, played every pinball game I ever wanted to play at the Pinball Hall of Fame (yeah I'm a fucking nerd), practicing drinking...being human.

"God hates a pious man" -somebody.

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Re: Misogi

Post by Dunn » Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:47 am

Bedlam 1946 wrote: drove to las vegas, played every pinball game I ever wanted to play at the Pinball Hall of Fame (yeah I'm a fucking nerd), practicing drinking...being human.

"God hates a pious man" -somebody.
Piousness is for saints. I prefer the quote from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade "Only the penitent man shall pass".

Try to do the right thing and be happy. Accept that you will make a lot of mistakes. Apologize for those mistakes that hurt others.

Also, great log. I very rarely log my meditation stuff here. Between you and Xian I may need to start.

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Re: Misogi

Post by Xian » Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:16 pm

Good training Bedlam. Using asanas primarily as a gateway to contemplation and mindfulness (which is my impression of your practice), have you tried just focusing on a single of the classic meditation postures?
Reading Patanjali I also don't get the impression that asana for him is a multi-postural practice, but just finding a single steady and comfortable position in which you can commence with the next steps in the system.
What does doing many postures do for you, since the physical stretch/strengthen effects don't seem like a reason for you?
There is a vast difference between treating effects and adjusting the causes.

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Re: Misogi

Post by Bedlam 0-0-0 » Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:55 am

Dunn wrote:
Bedlam 1946 wrote:

"God hates a pious man" -somebody.
Piousness is for saints. I prefer the quote from Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade "Only the penitent man shall pass".

Try to do the right thing and be happy. Accept that you will make a lot of mistakes. Apologize for those mistakes that hurt others.

Also, great log. I very rarely log my meditation stuff here. Between you and Xian I may need to start.
Thanks Dunn, I appreciate your insight. "Accept that you will make a lot of mistakes" are good words for people like me that tend to be overly self critical. Self compassion. The more I can accept my fuck ups the more I can deal with other people doing stupid shit...because I remember that I was doing the same stupid shit an hour, week, month, year ago. We all feel the same way, just not at the same time.
Xian wrote:Good training Bedlam. Using asanas primarily as a gateway to contemplation and mindfulness (which is my impression of your practice), have you tried just focusing on a single of the classic meditation postures?
Reading Patanjali I also don't get the impression that asana for him is a multi-postural practice, but just finding a single steady and comfortable position in which you can commence with the next steps in the system.
What does doing many postures do for you, since the physical stretch/strengthen effects don't seem like a reason for you?
I have used single postures in practice. It can certainly be debated whether or not Patangali advocated a multi postural practice. I believe that the truth is in between.
Patangali states " The posture (asana) for Yoga meditation should be steady, stable, and motionless, as well as comfortable, and this is the third of the eight rungs of Yoga."
So the parameters are
1. steady
2. stable
3 motionless
4 comfortable
The way I practice is that if one of these is broken then it is (often though not always) the body signaling that it has been in this position for long enough. This follows the idea of ahimsa. If I keep pressing my body to stay in a posture when there is pain, discomfort etc I am causing a certain degree of violence to my body/mind. In some things violence is a necessary part and should be used but I don't use it in my practice of asanas. I have a tendency to push things farther than I should anyway so it takes more discipline for me to step away at the right point in time than it does for me to push through discomfort. With this in mind, I move to the next posture and sit in it for the time that my body/mind can sit in it. This prolongs my practice. As I continue practicing, I can stay in the postures for a longer period of time and therefore use fewer postures. This is the natural way imo to move toward a single posture practice. Additionally I think that each posture allows certain nerves/muscles to settle down moreso than other postures so there is benefit for the body/mind in this approach. Also, doing asanas in this manner allows a person to move toward their natural plasticity for the day in addition to strengthening. There is no forcing a stretch, just allowing the body to sink into a posture. I have seen many practitioners who can snap into different asanas but they have a very brittle quality to them. It is hard for me to quantify though. I believe that forcing into a posture leads to that brittle nature. Something like ginastica naturale is probably better for the body than the way many people practice yoga imo.

So it's a gentle way for me.

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Re: Misogi

Post by Bedlam 0-0-0 » Wed Jun 06, 2012 2:57 am

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Swim
Atilla's five pound dumbbell routine
ice water douse
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Re: Misogi

Post by Bedlam 0-0-0 » Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:45 am

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bagua
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Re: Misogi

Post by Bedlam 0-0-0 » Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:14 am

Been in the mountains near Salida since last Thursday. Whitewater rafting, riding dirtbikes, hiking, and drinking beers. Morning hikes and yoga on a secluded mountain top was tip top. I found simple pranayama practice helped me to adjust to altitude w/o the headaches I usually get.
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Re: Misogi

Post by odin » Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:11 am

sounds like an awesome few days...
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Re: Misogi

Post by Bedlam 0-0-0 » Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:32 am

odin wrote:sounds like an awesome few days...
Yeah, good times for sure...sometimes I get lucky.

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There seems to be something to alternate nostril breathing. I don't understand why occluding one nostril would cause an effect other than it automatically slows the breath. On a mental level it feels like alternate nostril breathing may have some effect on integration on a mental emotional level. I get a calming effect when using it.

Today I noted the slight wavering from side to side in some seated postures. This seemed to coincide with my mind monkeying around. When I became aware of it I ceased the wavering physically and the mental wavering slowed or ceased. Body to mind.

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Re: Misogi

Post by Bedlam 0-0-0 » Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:50 am

Yesterday
am yoga
pm yoga
walk

today
am yoga
midday yoga (shorter session, mainly forward bend and corpse)
pm yoga
swim

Yesterday the increased session caused me a great deal of irritability a while after the session. This isn't something to escape. The way out is through. I think practicing in the manner I outlined allows shit to bubble to the surface. This comes in the form of feelings/emotions for me. I suspect it may come in other forms for persons that primarily relate visually or auditorily. Fighting the feelings is the mental trying to find a way out or around. There is none. Acceptance or surrender to the feelings etc decreases reactivity and allows for responding instead imo.

"2.45 From an attitude of letting go into one's source (ishvarapranidhana), the state of perfected concentration (samadhi) is attained.
(samadhi siddhih ishvarapranidhana)"

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Re: Misogi

Post by Bedlam 0-0-0 » Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:22 am

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Re: Misogi

Post by Bedlam 0-0-0 » Wed Jun 20, 2012 3:13 am

doing pretty much the same as usual. yoga, ice water douse and bagua.
Sunday I went to Canyon Lake and found a nice spot to swim. I went out to the middle of the lake and back a few times. I get a primal kind of fear when I swim in a lake. Death is always hanging around in nature.

One of the benefits of full breathing while sitting in different postures is that different organs get compressed rhythmically.

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Re: Misogi

Post by Bedlam 0-0-0 » Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:18 am

Been out but not down. Went on a road trip on part of the old route 66 and up to the Hopi Indian rez. I ended up in the middle of a ceremony on the first mesa. There were 4 white people there including me and probably 500 Hopi. That's something I'm not accustomed to. I tried to wallflower but the heyoka spotted me and said, "we have an illegal here! Show us your paperwork!" The pulled me to the middle of the circle and took my shirt off. They said "your a badger, all that chest hair" and they yanked on it. Then one said, "No he's from planet of the apes." So I mimed a monkey. We laughed. Then one said "No your a dog." I said "I'm no dog" and stared at him...I'm not sure why that tripped me up. I guess there's always a line. I realized that I'm in a bad situation if this goes wrong. They could chop me into pieces and no one would ever know what happened. Then one said, "come on...eat!" and gave me a bunch of food. The Katchina came in and danced. Surreal. Then left. Then Jesus showed up. He made a lot of sex jokes and read from the bible except it was a porno. I guess there is a burned down Catholic church there. Some priests got touchy with the kids and the Hopi burned down the church. Good for them. They don't like the Jesus stuff. It was weird...the ceremony went from sacred to profane to sacred back to profane.

Anyway still working on the yoga mainly. I want to expand on the last post about breathing. In one of the old chinese medicine texts it states that different organs can have tight or slack ligaments. I don't know how they figured this out or if it is true. It did make me think that while sitting in postures the only part of the body that really moves is the torso from breathing. I think this may allow the visceral fascia to relax and sort of reset which may help take stress off of particular organs. I find that throwing away everything anyone said about the proper way to breath is best and just to take full breaths. Observe how the breath happens instead of controlling it according to some twat's words. Take a full breath actively then passively release. The body knows how to do this efficiently. What I've found to happen lately is that in the beginning I try to keep the breathing continuous. The exhale is passive so as I do less and less in the exhale it becomes hard to find the end of the exhale to begin the inhale. Then a natural pause happens. My mind begins to follow the pause and goes very blank or deep or something...hard to explain. If I continue sometimes the pause also happens in after the inhale but this happens less often. As I inhale my consciousness comes back then exhale and down, like a fishing bobber. It's kind of odd. Sometimes I have no idea how long I haven't been breathing for. It probably isn't very long, it's just that I have no concept of the time that passed.

Another thing I want to mention is that staying just behind the stretch or right on the edge where I feel it seems to allow my musculature to unwind much more naturally than forcibly stretching.

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Re: Misogi

Post by Bedlam 0-0-0 » Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:22 pm

Going to try and get regular posting again.

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yoga then did some things around the house...and.

bagua
attila's five pound dumbbell exercises.
Probably swim later and ice water douse.

Attila's exercises seemed too easy or too simple or too light weight to get benefits from. I no longer believe those things. The exercises are simple but pretty great for my needs. It's a simple workout that gets the entire body. It doesn't take too long. The key for me is to do the exercises as if I were underwater, so there is a subtle dynamic tension element to the exercises. Not hulking out and shaking from the dynamic tension, just like being underwater. If I just do the exercises without this feeling I get no benefit and can get through the exercises no problem. This is similar to how bagua is performed. I was told to do the form as if underwater and that just that feeling can help build strength (not huge amounts like power lifting or whatever but it does build strength in the motions used). Anyway, these exercises + bagua + yoga did more for my shoulder than months of physical therapy did.

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Re: Misogi

Post by Fat Cat » Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:57 pm

It's a good observation re: Professor Attila's exercises. In Hung Kuen we called this "iron wire"...tensile like iron, but flexible and reasonable, like wire. Too much tension will just lead to hemorrhoids and, in extreme cases, hypertension and stroke.
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Re: Misogi

Post by Bedlam 0-0-0 » Mon Jul 02, 2012 3:24 am

Thanks FC! "tensile like iron, but flexible and reasonable like wire." I remember Tim talking about the iron wire set when we were discussing dynamic tension.



I want to preserve this quote from Professor Fat Cat...deep knowledge.
As for training, yes, the balance point is individual. That said, hearken back to the old weightlifting courses of the 30s, 40s, and 50s...they all recommend about 3 training sessions a week. Now look at your matrix: 3-5 sessions of grappling, 2 sessions of conditioning, plus more...that's a minimum of 5 to 7 hard sessions a week. Twice what was recommended years ago. Yet our bodies are the same as they were in those times past. How can it be that we are capable of so much more? The answer, in my opinion, is that we are not, and that people who push themselves like this over time will eventually pay a price. It is a type of very natural greed: we want it all, and we want it now, but it may be that we are cheating ourselves in the rush to results.

Consider also, how much of what we do is out of desire for social approval. By which I mean, if one wins a jiujitsu tournament because they are stronger or better conditioned than your opponent, in what way are they actually testing or improving their jiujitsu? They're not. It's not cheating, but it's not a demonstration of jiujitsu. Tournament medals, big muscles, big lifts, name, fame, and glory...it's all what turns the wheel of illusion.

What if we just did the right thing--in training and in life--because it is the right thing and not because I want (equally lost) people to think I'm cool, or look up to me, or whatever garbage line of thinking?
The bold points are key for me. Lately I have been considering these things often. The desire for social approval is strong...at least for me...and as I utilize self inquiry I can see how debilitating it is. It freezes, sticks and undermines my life. It simply isn't truth. Byron Katie's work has helped me in moving more toward freedom along with some of the works of the Desert Fathers. If a person was born in a prison it's hard to conceive of a life outside of those walls. I suspect that yoga practice has given me enough space in my fucked up head to have a deeper degree of self observation/inquiry and see beyond the walls erected when I was young. Anyway, Fat Cat's post says anything I could say more succinctly than I can.

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Re: Misogi

Post by Bedlam 0-0-0 » Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:33 am

am
yoga Noting some extra tension today. Mostly in my head. Relaxing multiple times in shavasana throughout the practice helped considerably. I watched my mind eventually relax and quiet down. I can't force it...just have to wait.
ice water douse

pm
walk

I was sent this article today.
http://dianelongyoga.com/pages/wishner2003.htm After reading it I ordered the book "Awakening the Spine on recommendation from my friend. Vanda Scaravelli has some deep knowledge. Here are some quotes from the article.
Vanda did not begin studying yoga until mid-life; she went on to make the practice her own, devising a way of working that was harmonious with nature and centered around rest, continual new discovery, and clear, uncluttered awareness. A true and unselfconscious yogi, she believed that learning yoga required "infinite time and no ambition," and that the teaching of yoga could not be organized into a "method." She transmitted hands-on to individual students what she had discovered in her own body, the way that yoga has been taught for centuries. Her life was a testament to her practice. She was healthy and active until her death at 91, after having recovered completely from a shattered hip in her late 80s. Comfortable and authentic in her interactions with others, she was, in the words of her daughter, Paola Scaravelli-Cohen, "free within herself and her soul."
"There is a way of doing the yoga poses that we call 'asanas' without the slightest effort."
Vanda's breathing practice begins with developing a relationship to the breath as it is and letting go of any effort involved, rather than imposing formal exercises on top of pre-existing patterns of tension. As tension is released, the breath can deepen and strengthen so that the spine grows with each exhalation. "I'm given the inhalation," Diane says, teaching breathing to a class. "It wants to come, it wants that state of reception. In breath, you discover what letting go can be; that's what the exhalation is."

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Re: Misogi

Post by Bedlam 0-0-0 » Wed Jul 04, 2012 6:01 am

am
walk
yoga
yoga then
yoga.

pm
bicycle ride and took a lot of photos of trailer parks
walk
drink beers.

I had a half day today and got a lot of yoga in today. I would go for a while and feel I was finished then get the urge to go back and get back to myself, so I heeded the call. There is a place between trying to get stronger and trying to be more flexible that is aliveness.

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