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Tom Furman on nutrition

Post by The Venerable Bogatir X » Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:22 pm


I didn't want to hijack Mak's training log.

Regarding carb consumption within two hours of training, are you implying:

1. For all training (to include running). Meaning if one does a cardio session in the morning and hits weights in the evening, carbs after both or just the weight training session?

2. Are you then suggesting zero carbs for the remainder, or are you a "Meat, Leaves, Berries" guy?



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Post by Fat Cat » Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:28 pm

I thought he was arguing against my consumption of beer and (brown) rice.
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Post by TomFurman » Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:14 am

Who knows if those post workout carbs actually go ALL to the muscles and not to the fat??

I am a meat, leaves and berries guy. I have 1/3 cup of whole oats at breakfast.

Here is the breakdown. I am comfortable with meals like this and function well on them.

Things I learned in high school.
1. Calories count. Period
2. Exercise is important

Things I learned from Barry Sears
1. Fish fat works only if you control insulin.
2. Eat Fat, Protein, and Carbs (greens and fruit) together at each meal.

Things I learned from Doc Ellis
1. You don't starve to death on an hour to hour basis. (No six meals and 2 snacks a day and endless flossing to avoid heart disease)
2. You can live on Pemmican but not Granola and thrive.
3. Carbing up, Glycogen loading is not a daily adventure.

Things I learned from Loren Cordain
1. Wild Game is best
2. 10% of the Hunter/Gatherers were over 60 and fit.

With above in mind--
Breakfast-1/3 cup of oats, berries, nuts, whey, Udo's Oil/one TBS after cooking.
Lunch-Yogurt, berries, nuts, whey, and Udo's
Dinner- Lean Protein (Salmon, Turkey) and a massive green salad with good oils (Olive, Macadamia, Udo's), and 1/2 glass of red wine. About every third day, I eat around a pound of Buffalo, cooked with a bag of spinach, shitake's, hot spice, low fat cheese, and a bucket 'o' parsely. I have a full glass of wine on these days.
When I have to eat at work (dinner), it is turkey breast on Man's bread (thanx Bill Fox) with low fat cheese, and spinach. I chase it with a bag of walnuts, almonds or macs.
Dinner out is sashimi or seafood. I have occasional low carb, DARK, chocolate.(5 small pieces). I take supplements with every meal. Anti-oxidant, fish oil, DIM, Saw Palmetto, and a Baby aspirin. Maybe some extra Vitamin C in the form of Emergen-C.

If I am feeling beat and sore,...2 packets of Emergen-C, with 20 grams of Glutamine, and some Splenda. I drink lots black coffee. I will add half and half to one cup at Starbucks ala S. Maxwell and Bill Fox. This kills hunger due to the fat. Although the half and half is sucky fat. I think carbs just fuel the hunger thing. Been there, done that and I have the T-shirt.
Back to the original question. Stay away from grains and stick to nutrient dense vegetables, berries, and spices. Get your energy from stored body fat. Just dropping calories and exercising more always works,....macronutrient juggling is just that,...
juggling. You drop the ball sometimes.

Hope this helps--Tom
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Post by The Venerable Bogatir X » Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:01 am


Thanks for taking the time to post that. You're 'eating style' is not far off from WFR--in fact, in some ways (Splenda, for example), it's much more 'relaxed'.

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Post by Foul-Mouthed Ignoramus » Wed Mar 22, 2006 4:02 am


Thank you, Tom

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Post by Mickey O'neil » Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:54 pm

When's the Nutrition/Cookbook and Training dvd coming out?

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Post by bill fox » Wed Mar 22, 2006 3:19 pm

Nugget indeed - thanks for the shout out.
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