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Generalised muscle aches

Post by Sangoma » Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:09 pm

I have noticed recently that my muscles feel sore most of the time. It's one of those things that creep up on you - not waking up one day feeling sick, but rather one day noticing that something is not one hundred percent. Nothing terrible, but generalised aches of light to moderate intensity everywhere, more in the lower body. I am wondering if this is some sort of much spoken about general inflammation. My health is good otherwise.

Has anybody had anything similar? Treatments - diet, reducing/increasing training volume, stretching of some sort, anything else? I slacked off pretty bad after leaning out last year, so here is one area of improvement I can see.
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Post by Boris » Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:21 pm

General lingering soreness/achiness + irritability is the first sign that I'm on a road to overdoing things.

Usually it's a combination of too much work, caffeine, and stress, and not enough sleep/r&r and good food. The solution for me is pretty straightforward - get more sleep, eat/drink better, but what I usually do is keep pounding away until I get sick or have a debilitating migraine for a couple of days which force me to slow down.

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Interestingly, napping is said to be his only real hobby.
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Post by Holland Oates » Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:55 pm

Every day but I train BJJ with guys ranging from a couple of years older to as much as 20+ years younger than me. The only time I didn't wake up hurting this year was after 2 solid weeks of no training and maximal sleep. It was fucking terrible. Absorbine/menthol based liniments, heating pads, neoprene sleeves, compression tights, super easy low intensity cardio, drinking as close to a gallon of water a day as I can, and some mobility/flexibility work tossed in here and there are what helps me. But I honestly don't do 90% of that shit regularly. I usually just take a hot shower, utilize a long long long warm up, and take an ass whooping the first round or two while things jump start.
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Re: Generalised muscle aches

Post by dead man walking » Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:02 pm

you're old.

all that discomfort will disappear soon enough.
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Re: Generalised muscle aches

Post by Thud » Tue Oct 04, 2016 9:24 pm

What kind of meds are you on? I think statins, for instance, can do that.
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Post by Shafpocalypse Now » Tue Oct 04, 2016 10:56 pm

What is your training frequency? More often seems to go in hand with less sore.

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Post by Turdacious » Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:32 pm

You need an epidural this is clearly.
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Post by powerlifter54 » Tue Oct 04, 2016 11:34 pm

You might be a candidate for a couple week backoff. Long term overtraining, and i am in the Siff Camp of it does exist, can take as long as it took you to get overtrained to detrain. So not hard concept of reducing volume to 60-80% of your normal volume at 60-80% of your loading. Not 60-80% of 1RM, 60-80% of the weights on the bar. Sled dragging, some unloaded hiking, and bodyweight upper body work.

Check sleep, hydration, and stress. When you are in the Valley of training suck, you have to back out, not try running up the next mountain. jmo.
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Re: Generalised muscle aches

Post by Shafpocalypse Now » Wed Oct 05, 2016 12:42 am

Sauna? Hot water immersion? Both might help.

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Post by DrDonkeyLove » Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:16 am

Sangoma wrote:I have noticed recently that my muscles feel sore most of the time. It's one of those things that creep up on you - not waking up one day feeling sick, but rather one day noticing that something is not one hundred percent. Nothing terrible, but generalised aches of light to moderate intensity everywhere, more in the lower body. I am wondering if this is some sort of much spoken about general inflammation. My health is good otherwise.

Has anybody had anything similar? Treatments - diet, reducing/increasing training volume, stretching of some sort, anything else? I slacked off pretty bad after leaning out last year, so here is one area of improvement I can see.
dead man walking wrote:you're old.

all that discomfort will disappear soon enough.
This young man may be on to something.

Toggle the switch perhaps? Might want to stay active w/o strain for a week or two and see what happens. Walks, qigong, meditate, stretch, eat reasonably well, sleep, whatever suits you. Or, power through it and check back with yourself.
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Post by TomFurman » Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:22 pm

Tart Cherry Capsules from lef.org have helped 2X per day. I can generate massive soreness from eccentric or volume or weird stretching. Fish Oil at 3 grams of combined EPA/DHA per day. Other than that HRT if you are not already.
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Re: Generalised muscle aches

Post by dead man walking » Wed Oct 05, 2016 3:38 pm

DrDonkeyLove wrote:
Sangoma wrote:I have noticed recently that my muscles feel sore most of the time. It's one of those things that creep up on you - not waking up one day feeling sick, but rather one day noticing that something is not one hundred percent. Nothing terrible, but generalised aches of light to moderate intensity everywhere, more in the lower body. I am wondering if this is some sort of much spoken about general inflammation. My health is good otherwise.

Has anybody had anything similar? Treatments - diet, reducing/increasing training volume, stretching of some sort, anything else? I slacked off pretty bad after leaning out last year, so here is one area of improvement I can see.
dead man walking wrote:you're old.

all that discomfort will disappear soon enough.
This young man may be on to something.

Toggle the switch perhaps? Might want to stay active w/o strain for a week or two and see what happens. Walks, qigong, meditate, stretch, eat reasonably well, sleep, whatever suits you. Or, power through it and check back with yourself.
perhaps i've previously mentioned this, but i've abandoned lifting anything heavy or pushing myself on the erg or while running. everything is low intensity, moderate duration, get the blood moving, elevate the heart rate a little.

my body doesn't hold up if i try to do more. it has been difficult to admit i'm a worn-out old scrap of leather.
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Post by WildGorillaMan » Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:34 pm

a) be mindful of your recovery factors: eating, sleeping, etc.
b) modulate your activities accordingly. If you don't ease off the throttle every so often your body will do it for you. And you won't like it.
c) invest in some good restoratives, as the Soviets called them.
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Post by nafod » Wed Oct 05, 2016 4:45 pm

Best thing I ever did for my shoulder was I hurt my back, which forced me to lay off for 2-3 weeks.
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Post by Blaidd Drwg » Wed Oct 05, 2016 6:14 pm

nafod wrote:Best thing I ever did for my shoulder was I hurt my back, which forced me to lay off for 2-3 weeks.

Ain't that the sad fuckin truth.
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Post by Sangoma » Wed Oct 05, 2016 11:52 pm

You fucks, all replies are common sense. Not one of you suggested I am hurting because I am so fucking awesome!

I don't think I am overtraining - I am lazy like fuck. Though I am planning to lean out for the beach season in the next couple of months, which will involve increasing the volume and adding cardio. I also get enough sleep, at least 8 hours a day.

I reckon the answer is along the lines of - tactful - replies hinting at my age. I will give fish oil, Tart Cherry etc. a go. I am a regular sauna user, but haven't done it for a while, so probably should do more of it. I might try a few massage sessions (I've seen a few adverts in Sydney's Red Light District, looks very remedial).

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Re: Generalised muscle aches

Post by Thud » Thu Oct 06, 2016 1:35 am

So you're lazy and, therefore, think you need to pamper yourself more. Make sure you get your hair tinted and your nails done too.
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Post by Sangoma » Thu Oct 06, 2016 2:00 am

Thud wrote:Make sure you get your hair tinted and your nails done too.
You will not believe it, but few years ago I dyed my hair blond. Female population exposed to it was divided.
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Sangoma wrote:
Thud wrote:Make sure you get your hair tinted and your nails done too.
You will not believe it, but few years ago I dyed my hair blond. Female population exposed to it was divided.
"Exposed to it"?
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Post by Sangoma » Thu Oct 06, 2016 9:36 pm

Thud wrote:
Sangoma wrote:
Thud wrote:Make sure you get your hair tinted and your nails done too.
You will not believe it, but few years ago I dyed my hair blond. Female population exposed to it was divided.
"Exposed to it"?
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Post by Boris » Fri Oct 07, 2016 12:01 am

Sangoma wrote:You fucks, all replies are common sense. Not one of you suggested I am hurting because I am so fucking awesome!

I don't think I am overtraining - I am lazy like fuck. Though I am planning to lean out for the beach season in the next couple of months, which will involve increasing the volume and adding cardio. I also get enough sleep, at least 8 hours a day.

I reckon the answer is along the lines of - tactful - replies hinting at my age. I will give fish oil, Tart Cherry etc. a go. I am a regular sauna user, but haven't done it for a while, so probably should do more of it. I might try a few massage sessions (I've seen a few adverts in Sydney's Red Light District, looks very remedial).

Thanks for replies.
Wait.. so, you're concluding you are achey because you are old? That's bullshit... Achey from lack of activity, sure, but not from age.

I don't think you are overtraining, but you could be overstressed.

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FWIW.....I'm a nearing 50 semi dessicated corpse of a human with typical ortho injuries attesting to a vigorous life including two super shitty. very expensive knees. I'm walking around with the usual list of soft tissue fuckery we all get over time. I'm 5 weeks out from IPL worlds and have been training pretty much nonstop without major deloads since mid June. In that time I have walked off two adductor tears. As of right now and the last 8 weeks I feel fine. I get cripplingly sore for maybe a day after a high volume or high % session but for the most part, I've not had a single major setback. Why?

I try to nap like it's my job (10 minute increments in necessary) and I do absolutely FUCKALL when I'm feeling tired (meet for drinks? NOPE, come over for a BBQ? NOPE, hang out after work and watch the game? NOPE). I take all the restoratives I can stand ([email protected] a week, BPC157, low dose of a hard androgen at 6 weeks out and Pentosan OAW) I use copius amounts of THC tincture to help me sleep at nigth and when I'm remotely hungry I'll drink a pint of heavy cream and eat anything that amuses me.

In short if i were to compare what you're doing to what i'm doing and the way it makes you feel*..I'm guessing you're not doing enough. To combat the effects of having over reached you need to do MORE not less. Overtraining* (see also many diatribes on this subject..I think it's poorly understood) is the result of having not done ENOUGH to train at the level you're attempting. How to balance this?

More frequency with light loads and volumes
More sleep* (this is more important than drugs or food or drugs AND food)
More of the right food
More restoratives -chemical to therapeutic modes like ice/heat/massage
More active attention to doing as little as possible.

In short...You're probably giving too many fucks about the wrong things and not enough fucks about the right things. Right things include.
Training like a man(littlke bit every day) and not some fucking werewolf (once a month leaving yourself naked in a pool of blood)
getting your cardio in
resting like it's your job.
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Re: Generalised muscle aches

Post by WildGorillaMan » Fri Oct 07, 2016 5:14 pm

Blaidd Drwg wrote:FWIW.....I'm a nearing 50 semi dessicated corpse of a human with typical ortho injuries attesting to a vigorous life including two super shitty. very expensive knees. I'm walking around with the usual list of soft tissue fuckery we all get over time. I'm 5 weeks out from IPL worlds and have been training pretty much nonstop without major deloads since mid June. In that time I have walked off two adductor tears. As of right now and the last 8 weeks I feel fine. I get cripplingly sore for maybe a day after a high volume or high % session but for the most part, I've not had a single major setback. Why?

I try to nap like it's my job (10 minute increments in necessary) and I do absolutely FUCKALL when I'm feeling tired (meet for drinks? NOPE, come over for a BBQ? NOPE, hang out after work and watch the game? NOPE). I take all the restoratives I can stand ([email protected] a week, BPC157, low dose of a hard androgen at 6 weeks out and Pentosan OAW) I use copius amounts of THC tincture to help me sleep at nigth and when I'm remotely hungry I'll drink a pint of heavy cream and eat anything that amuses me.

In short if i were to compare what you're doing to what i'm doing and the way it makes you feel*..I'm guessing you're not doing enough. To combat the effects of having over reached you need to do MORE not less. Overtraining* (see also many diatribes on this subject..I think it's poorly understood) is the result of having not done ENOUGH to train at the level you're attempting. How to balance this?

More frequency with light loads and volumes
More sleep* (this is more important than drugs or food or drugs AND food)
More of the right food
More restoratives -chemical to therapeutic modes like ice/heat/massage
More active attention to doing as little as possible.

In short...You're probably giving too many fucks about the wrong things and not enough fucks about the right things. Right things include.
Training like a man(littlke bit every day) and not some fucking werewolf (once a month leaving yourself naked in a pool of blood)
getting your cardio in
resting like it's your job.
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