Trumpling the Truth

[Turdacious]

I think Trump's cabinet should call a group press conference where each one announces, "I did not call Donald Trump a moron".

I missed the brilliance of this.

[bennyonesix]

You cunts know he has a laminated copy of some 50 year old IQ test waiting, right?

[nafod]

You cunts know he has a laminated copy of some 50 year old IQ test waiting, right?

That's a copy of Obama's Kenyan birth certificate.

[bennyonesix]

http://amp.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... unverifie/

[bennyonesix]

https://www.emptywheel.net/2017/10/25/d ... e-dossier/

[Turdacious]

Former Chief of the same PD that the POTUS spoke to the other day.

James Burke, the disgraced Suffolk County police chief sentenced to prison after being convicted of orchestrating a department cover-up, was released from solitary confinement, where he was placed about two weeks ago after Oxycodone pills were found in his prison cell, sources tell News 4.

Burke was in solitary confinement for the past 16 days, the sources said. During that time he was only allowed to leave his cell one hour a day.

Burke is serving a 46-month sentence after he was convicted last year in the beating of a handcuffed man who stole embarrassing items from the chief's SUV [...]

Burke was convicted in February 2016 of orchestrating a department cover-up after beating a handcuffed man for stealing embarrassing items from his SUV. He pummeled the heroin addict who had taken his gun belt, ammunition, a box of cigars and a bag containing sex toys and pornography, prosecutors said.

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/investigation ... 85864.html
Thou shalt not steal the police chief's bag full of dicks.

Suffolk County DA Thomas Spota announced Thursday that he is retiring — just a day after pleading not guilty in a police-brutality coverup involving a former top cop’s stolen sex toys and porn stash [...]
In December 2012, the police chief’s car was broken into and the bag stolen by Christopher Loeb, a petty thief with a $100-a-day heroin habit, according to federal prosecutors. Loeb was arrested, shackled to a precinct-house floor and interrogated personally by the police chief, a Spota protege. During the interrogation, Loeb taunted the police chief in front of other detectives, citing the duffel bag contents and calling him a “pervert.” Burke “went out of control,” prosecutors said, savagely beating the shackled prisoner and threatening him with death [...]

And according to the indictment unsealed Wednesday, Spota and his anti-corruption bureau chief, Christopher McPartland, repeatedly conspired with Burke to thwart the feds’ investigation.

http://nypost.com/2017/10/26/da-resigns ... n-coverup/
I assumed it was the chief's dildo, but maybe it was the DA's.

[Herv100]

[JimZipCode]

Cranky old man rattles on:

“The Russians succeeded, I believe, beyond their wildest expectations. Their first objective in the election was to sow discontent, discord and disruption in our political life, and they have succeeded to a fare-thee-well. They have accelerated, amplified the polarization and the divisiveness in this country, and they’ve undermined our democratic system. They wanted to create doubt in the minds of the public about our government and about our system, and they succeeded to a fare-thee-well.”

“They’ve been emboldened,” he added, “and they will continue to do this.”

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... ump-215761

[Turdacious]

The Russians have failed miserably: Congress reaffirmed their commitment to the Malignitsky Act; Canada passed their own version of it; they're stuck in a costly war in Syria they can't afford; Europe and China are still finding different suppliers of natural gas (and Trump wants us to be one of them); and Mueller appears to have something on the money laundering front (the FBI got a no knock warrant for Manafort-- do they ever get those for white guys?).

Credit where credit's due-- this is part of the Obama legacy. Vlad's still getting bent over by a black guy, and Obama's going in dry.

[JimZipCode]

... and Obama's going in dry.

Brrr. That sounds like something that would hurt both parties.

[Turdacious]

Things could get more interesting if Toobin's right on this.

[Turdacious]

In late June, President Trump hosted a group of Native American tribal leaders at the White House and urged them to "just do it" and extract whatever they want from the land they control.

The exchange turned out to be an unusually vivid window into the almost kingly power that Trump sees himself as holding, and which he has begun describing with increasing bluntness. The scene was recounted by a source in the room and confirmed by another. The White House didn't dispute the story.

The chiefs explained to Trump that there were regulatory barriers preventing them from getting at their energy. Trump replied: "But now it's me. The government's different now. Obama's gone; and we're doing things differently here."

There was a pause in the room and the tribal leaders looked at each other.

"Chief, chief," Trump continued, addressing one of the tribal leaders, "what are they going to do? Once you get it out of the ground are they going to make you put it back in there? I mean, once it's out of the ground it can't go back in there. You've just got to do it. I'm telling you, chief, you've just got to do it."

The tribal leader looked back at one of the White House officials in the room — perhaps somebody from the White House Counsel's office — and he said "can we just do that?" The official equivocated, saying the administration is making progress and has a plan to roll back various regulations.

Trump interjected again: "Guys, I feel like you're not hearing me right now. We've just got to do it. I feel like we've got no choice; other countries are just doing it. China is not asking questions about all of this stuff. They're just doing it. And guys, we've just got to do it."

https://www.axios.com/trumps-government ... 50819.html
Weird.

[JimZipCode]

Trump should be tested for a degenerative brain disease
https://www.statnews.com/2017/12/07/don ... t-disease/

When President Trump slurred his words during a news conference this week, some Trump watchers speculated that he was having a stroke. I watched the clip and, as a physician who specializes in brain function and disability, I don’t think a stroke was behind the slurred words. But having evaluated the chief executive’s remarkable behavior through my clinical lens for almost a year, I do believe he is displaying signs that could indicate a degenerative brain disorder.
...
I see worrisome symptoms that fall into three main categories: problems with language and executive function; problems with social cognition and behavior; and problems with memory, attention, and concentration. None of these are symptoms of being a bad or mean person. Nor do they require spelunking into the depths of his psyche to understand. Instead, they raise concern for a neurocognitive disease process in the same sense that wheezing raises the alarm for asthma.

Probably no big deal.

[dead man walking]

trump v obama--who lies more?

In his first 10 months in office, [trump] has told 103 separate untruths, many of them repeatedly. Obama told 18 over his entire eight-year tenure. That’s an average of about two a year for Obama and about 124 a year for Trump.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... ght-region

[Turdacious]

trump v obama--who lies more?

In his first 10 months in office, [trump] has told 103 separate untruths, many of them repeatedly. Obama told 18 over his entire eight-year tenure. That’s an average of about two a year for Obama and about 124 a year for Trump.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... ght-region

The NYT editors have been pretty good recently, but this one's so bad it's embarrassing.

[dead man walking]

turd:

a lie gets counted once. repetitions of the lie do not get added

imagine what donald's count would be if repetitions were included?

[Turdacious]

turd:

a lie gets counted once. repetitions of the lie do not get added

imagine what donald's count would be if repetitions were included?

The article said this:

As for Obama: His falsehoods tended to be attempts to make his own policies look better or to overstate a problem he was trying to solve. In a few cases, they seemed to be careless exaggerations he avoided repeating.

Poo-pooing the 'if you like your plan, you can keep your plan' as a 'careless exaggeration he avoided repeating' is a little ridiculous; same thing with the 'red line' comment regarding Syria. Those had a massive impact on domestic and foreign policy respectively. I don't even hold Obama particularly accountable for the red line comment FWIW-- things I don't know about may have changed on the groundthat made it prudent for him to change plans.

My opinion will change if it turns out that Trump willingly colluded with the Russians during the election; or that Russian interference materially impacted the election in the states that mattered-- but at this point, none of Trump's 'lies' are particularly significant. At this point the NYT is being willfully dishonest, and foolishly so.

[Grandpa's Spells]

turd:

a lie gets counted once. repetitions of the lie do not get added

imagine what donald's count would be if repetitions were included?

The article said this:

As for Obama: His falsehoods tended to be attempts to make his own policies look better or to overstate a problem he was trying to solve. In a few cases, they seemed to be careless exaggerations he avoided repeating.

Poo-pooing the 'if you like your plan, you can keep your plan' as a 'careless exaggeration he avoided repeating' is a little ridiculous; same thing with the 'red line' comment regarding Syria. Those had a massive impact on domestic and foreign policy respectively. I don't even hold Obama particularly accountable for the red line comment FWIW-- things I don't know about may have changed on the groundthat made it prudent for him to change plans.

My opinion will change if it turns out that Trump willingly colluded with the Russians during the election; or that Russian interference materially impacted the election in the states that mattered-- but at this point, none of Trump's 'lies' are particularly significant. At this point the NYT is being willfully dishonest, and foolishly so.

It's not an article about Russia.

It's weird you bring up healthcare falsehoods, as Trump's lies on his failed healthcare plan exceeded your example of Obama's.

[Turdacious]

turd:

a lie gets counted once. repetitions of the lie do not get added

imagine what donald's count would be if repetitions were included?

The article said this:

As for Obama: His falsehoods tended to be attempts to make his own policies look better or to overstate a problem he was trying to solve. In a few cases, they seemed to be careless exaggerations he avoided repeating.

Poo-pooing the 'if you like your plan, you can keep your plan' as a 'careless exaggeration he avoided repeating' is a little ridiculous; same thing with the 'red line' comment regarding Syria. Those had a massive impact on domestic and foreign policy respectively. I don't even hold Obama particularly accountable for the red line comment FWIW-- things I don't know about may have changed on the groundthat made it prudent for him to change plans.

My opinion will change if it turns out that Trump willingly colluded with the Russians during the election; or that Russian interference materially impacted the election in the states that mattered-- but at this point, none of Trump's 'lies' are particularly significant. At this point the NYT is being willfully dishonest, and foolishly so.

It's not an article about Russia.

It's weird you bring up healthcare falsehoods, as Trump's lies on his failed healthcare plan exceeded your example of Obama's.

The article points out several Trump tweets about Russia.

Obamacare was enacted into law; none of the Republican proposals have been-- most of what Trump said about the Republican proposals could have been true depending on how effectively executive agencies enacted them. We'll never know since none of them were made law. We do know how the Obama administration enacted Obamacare. And I say that as someone who doesn't believe that the Trump administration would have been able to implement any of the Republican proposals in a way to remotely keep Trump's promises.

[JimZipCode]

Poo-pooing the 'if you like your plan, you can keep your plan' as a 'careless exaggeration he avoided repeating' is a little ridiculous ... massive impact on domestic policy...

I know I'm on the wrong side of the zeitgeist on this one, but I never fully understood why "if you like your plan you can keep it" is rated as a "lie". For ~98% of us (insured Americans), it turned out to be true. I personally kept my plan. There's some plan turnover in the insurance market every year, with or without the ACA; I've occasionally had to change my choices during open enrollment because some things had changed from the prior year.

Yes, it would have been more accurate for Obama to say:

"If you like your current plan, there's no provision in the ACA to force you to switch to another plan, so you can likely keep your plan, assuming it adheres to the standards enacted and assuming your employer continues to offer that plan rather than switch to some other cheaper plan that becomes available; so about the same number of you will be able to keep your plan as would have been able to keep your plan prior to the ACA."

This barely registers on the scale of campaign-soundbite policy over-simplifications.

Yes, I read the Politifact "lie of the year" article from 2013.

[Turdacious]

Poo-pooing the 'if you like your plan, you can keep your plan' as a 'careless exaggeration he avoided repeating' is a little ridiculous ... massive impact on domestic policy...

I know I'm on the wrong side of the zeitgeist on this one, but I never fully understood why "if you like your plan you can keep it" is rated as a "lie". For ~98% of us (insured Americans), it turned out to be true. I personally kept my plan. There's some plan turnover in the insurance market every year, with or without the ACA; I've occasionally had to change my choices during open enrollment because some things had changed from the prior year.

Yes, it would have been more accurate for Obama to say:

"If you like your current plan, there's no provision in the ACA to force you to switch to another plan, so you can likely keep your plan, assuming it adheres to the standards enacted and assuming your employer continues to offer that plan rather than switch to some other cheaper plan that becomes available; so about the same number of you will be able to keep your plan as would have been able to keep your plan prior to the ACA."

This barely registers on the scale of campaign-soundbite policy over-simplifications.

Yes, I read the Politifact "lie of the year" article from 2013.

It's certainly possible you were one of the people whose plan didn't change. However the broader trend is that provider networks got narrower, deductibles got significantly higher, and out-of-network costs at in-network hospitals grew. People who were in the individual market prior to Obamacare for the most part have gotten nasty surprises every year. It's possible that you haven't seen direct impact (especially if you haven't gotten sick); to be honest it's pretty hard to measure the labor market effects of rising health insurance costs outside of the blue collar class professions.

For Obama to be able to keep his promise, prices for the new plans would have to be pretty much the same as they were before Obamacare. They weren't.

And this just in-- the 2016 mortality stats are out-- they got worse for the second year in a row.

[JimZipCode]

this just in-- the 2016 mortality stats are out-- they got worse for the second year in a row.

Fucking Trump.

[DrDonkeyLove]

this just in-- the 2016 mortality stats are out-- they got worse for the second year in a row.

Fucking Trump.

Trump Stress Syndrome

[nafod]

this just in-- the 2016 mortality stats are out-- they got worse for the second year in a row.

Fucking Trump.

Trump Stress Syndrome

That's a real thing. *sigh* Enough already.

Between Fox ranting at Hillary (isn't she dead yet?) and the rest ranting at Trump, I bet you Oregon (for example) could secede from the union and no one would notice.

[Turdacious]

Trump has been the best thing to ever happen to the 'safe space' sector of the construction industry.