Simple and Sinister - second edition.

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Re: Simple and Sinister - second edition.

Post by SubClaw » Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:11 pm

Fat Cat wrote:
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Thanks! I love some kettle-drama. Are you iPood?
That would be me. :supz:
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Re: Simple and Sinister - second edition.

Post by Fat Cat » Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:04 pm

I thought so.
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Re: Simple and Sinister - second edition.

Post by JimZipCode » Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:44 am

SubClaw wrote:
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Thanks! I love some kettle-drama. Are you iPood?
That would be me. :supz:
What are "DMPM" and "the DJ HKC book"?

iPood wrote:Besides, I find both the DMPM and the DJ HKC book a much better approach to... well, anything.
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Re: Simple and Sinister - second edition.

Post by SubClaw » Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:31 am

JimZipCode wrote:
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What are "DMPM" and "the DJ HKC book"?
The Dan Martin's Program Minimum:

Warm-Up
Bar Hang*
Saigon Squat
Hip Bridge

Workout - Humane Burpee
Swing - 15, 15, 15, 15, 15
Push-Up - 5, 4, 3, 2, 1
Goblet Squat, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1
TRX Row/Batwing - 5, 4, 3, 2, 1
Farmer's Walk


DJ HKC Book:

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Re: Simple and Sinister - second edition.

Post by Sangoma » Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:13 am

Dan John's post on the 28th of January 2020:
I'm still waiting to be paid for that article.
For the article he wrote in 2014... I am curious how much is owed. You reckon I could ask this on SF forum?
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Re: Simple and Sinister - second edition.

Post by SubClaw » Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:22 am

Sangoma wrote:
Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:13 am
Dan John's post on the 28th of January 2020:
I'm still waiting to be paid for that article.
For the article he wrote in 2014... I am curious how much is owed. You reckon I could ask this on SF forum?
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Re: Simple and Sinister - second edition.

Post by Hanglow Joe » Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:08 pm

Fat Cat wrote:
Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:09 pm
Hanglow Joe wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:13 pm
1/2 way down page 2
https://www.davedraper.com/fusionbb/sho ... 6330/tp/2/
Thanks! I love some kettle-drama. Are you iPood?
BChase is me

Done 5 TGU's back to back days with a 70 and 100 2 hand swings with an 88 on Sunday and 240 with a 70 on Monday. I swear my shirts have gotten tighter in the should and my pants are falling down my ass. WTH?

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Re: Simple and Sinister - second edition.

Post by Fat Cat » Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:39 pm

Whoops I got confused. My bad when I said "I thought so".

SubClaw = iPood

Hanglow = BChase
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Re: Simple and Sinister - second edition.

Post by Sangoma » Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:53 am

One guy is asking on SF forum about the progression from 16 kg to 24 kg bell, which he can barely press with two hands off the floor. What's the advice? Keep going, it's gonna get easier, check your form etc. A suggestion of getting a lighter than 24 kg bell gets a frown from Mother F whose reasoning is Pavel's article from 2013: https://www.strongfirst.com/a-leap-of-f ... ell-sizes/

The reasoning is shaky at best. Not than any of the Russian research gurus have ever called for 50% increase in training weight.

SF is bordering on the verge of being a cult.
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Re: Simple and Sinister - second edition.

Post by Hanglow Joe » Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:29 pm

I was doing work with an 88 today, deadlift, one arm row, goblet squat, 2 hand swings. Decided to do some TGU's. Press the bell up, and said, "fuck that." Grabbed a 70. Fucking idiots. Incremental gains are gains. .

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Small incremental jumps in weight imply fear. The message we send to ourselves is to be cautious, to go at the lift with an over abundance of concern, rather than a sense of confidence. This affects the mind, and approaches the activity from a deficit point of view. Jumping up quite a bit in weight involves risk. Overcoming fear, and taking a risk is what drives most of human progress. The added benefits include an understanding that the body was capable of much more than previously expected, and with each large jump, the next one becomes more of a possibility. It breaks a lie. The lies we tell ourselves. I can’t do that! When we say we can’t do something, we are absolutely right. When we do it, and succeed, we now know that we had not been honest with ourselves. Therefore, larger jumps in weight condition not only our bodies, but our ability to be honest as well.

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Re: Simple and Sinister - second edition.

Post by Fat Cat » Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:30 am

Stop lying to yourself, HJ. It really is that simple.

The larger question is it morally defensible to NOT push someone like that down a flight of stairs, if given the opportunity?
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Re: Simple and Sinister - second edition.

Post by Sangoma » Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:40 pm

Whenever things become ideological they become a problem. Pavel said LARGE INCREASES, bitches!
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Re: Simple and Sinister - second edition.

Post by newguy » Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:31 pm

Look....let's not ignore the elephant in the room. If you can't figure out how to move from a 16 to a 24 you have no business playing the game.

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Re: Simple and Sinister - second edition.

Post by Fat Cat » Thu Feb 13, 2020 1:11 am

If only there was a happy medium between 16 and 24 kgs. Something, I know it's hard to imagine, but something like a 20 kg kettlebell.
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Re: Simple and Sinister - second edition.

Post by newguy » Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:04 am

Fat Cat wrote:
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If only there was a happy medium between 16 and 24 kgs. Something, I know it's hard to imagine, but something like a 20 kg kettlebell.
You should consider making some and selling them.

But really - in terms of DD style shit - you can go from 16 to 24 to 32 if you are male of reasonable testosterone levels. I do not consider myself particularly strong or athletic and I was able to do it. And it's something I've regularly done over the years coming back from being detrained. I've done it with both single and doubles.

For GS stuff though, having the intermediate bells is practically a godsend. Making those jumps and not having them derail your time is very hard.

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Re: Simple and Sinister - second edition.

Post by SubClaw » Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:55 am

Sangoma wrote:
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Whenever things become ideological they become a problem. Pavel said LARGE INCREASES, bitches!
To be fair, Dan John and Jack Reape among others have been advocating large jumps for a loooooooooong time.
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Re: Simple and Sinister - second edition.

Post by Fat Cat » Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:36 pm

Sure, but they don't make you kiss the tip first.
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Re: Simple and Sinister - second edition.

Post by Sangoma » Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:45 am

I have no problem with that. However, if a guy can barely hold the KB overhead and it is wobbly - you reckon an increase is a tad too large for that lad?

Off topic, I am surprised there is not much choice in regards to adjustable kettlebells. I have one made locally, it goes from 9 to 32 kg in 1 kg increments and is very solid. Competition shape, $200 US, will probably last forever. I can't see anything like that available in USA.
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The blue/black on the left.

Actually, this is not a bad business idea. Get a bunch of those shipped from Australia at wholesale prices and sell it retail in the US. Not only it's cheaper than buying a set of 16, 24 and 32 kg you also get the versatility of small increments. This and a good pair of dice... Man, I get breathless even thinking about it.
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Re: Simple and Sinister - second edition.

Post by Alfred_E._Neuman » Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:24 am

What is it loaded with? Plates or a filler of some sort?
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Re: Simple and Sinister - second edition.

Post by Sangoma » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:20 am

Plates, on the left on the photo.

Yellow 16 kg kettlebell I bought years ago from Sataev. That one is adjustable with lead shot. Too much work and messy.
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Re: Simple and Sinister - second edition.

Post by SubClaw » Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:27 am

Sangoma wrote:
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I have no problem with that. However, if a guy can barely hold the KB overhead and it is wobbly - you reckon an increase is a tad too large for that lad?

Off topic, I am surprised there is not much choice in regards to adjustable kettlebells. I have one made locally, it goes from 9 to 32 kg in 1 kg increments and is very solid. Competition shape, $200 US, will probably last forever. I can't see anything like that available in USA.

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The blue/black on the left.

Actually, this is not a bad business idea. Get a bunch of those shipped from Australia at wholesale prices and sell it retail in the US. Not only it's cheaper than buying a set of 16, 24 and 32 kg you also get the versatility of small increments. This and a good pair of dice... Man, I get breathless even thinking about it.
King of Kettlebells used to have a truly wonderful adjustable bell.
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Re: Simple and Sinister - second edition.

Post by Hanglow Joe » Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:36 pm

I guess I need to trade in my Girevik card comrades, I do most of my work with 45's. Using imperial measurments, not even kg.

DJ has also stated that the 20 is the perfect size. So he's been on both sides. His big jumps had to do it barbell plates. 25's and 45's. Good luck on that 50 lb. increase on standing military press.

Hard pass on adjustables. I used to love when the UPS guy would drop that package off huffing and puffing.

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Re: Simple and Sinister - second edition.

Post by Sangoma » Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:47 am

I am currently doing 10 x 10 swings with 20 kg, as per S&S. Not hard, but a workout for me. I like the idea of staying on the same weight for a while. The plan is to slowly progress in increments of 2 kg and staying on the same weight for at least 10 sessions. Maybe longer if it still doesn't feel light. Though I am hoping to swing 32 kg by the end of the year I have no set goal, which makes training easier. And probably safer.
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Re: Simple and Sinister - second edition.

Post by Hanglow Joe » Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:27 am

Wait, doing getups doesn't improve your press? I can't imagine wasting a solid year doing getups up to 32kg and not being able press the 24 more than twice.

https://www.strongfirst.com/community/t ... ess.15878/

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Re: Simple and Sinister - second edition.

Post by aussie luke » Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:58 pm

Hanglow Joe wrote:
Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:27 am
Wait, doing getups doesn't improve your press? I can't imagine wasting a solid year doing getups up to 32kg and not being able press the 24 more than twice.

https://www.strongfirst.com/community/t ... ess.15878/
Holy fuck I am amazed these people manage to get through each day without an article from their supreme leader on how to dress themselves or operate a spoon without a certification.

Clearly the answer is to spend another year and build your getup up to 48kg to be able to press the 24 more than twice.

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