bill fox wrote:
www.crossfit.com (scroll down)
So now snatching a bar develops different athletic abilities then snatching a KB. Obviously fat boy has never dead snatched the 40kg.
I'm off to stir some shit.
Bill, having read your post here and your post on XFit, I am unclear as to what your claim is. It seems clear to me that snatching a barbell and snatching a kettlebell develop different athletic abilities, if only because the groove of the KB snatch and the groove of the snatch are very different, and the latter always admits of a greater load.
The 'scoop' - as far as I can tell, the 'scoop' is just what happens to your bar path when your properly time your first and second pulls, and looks different in different lifters of international caliber. In every case, though, the purpose of having two distinct pulls is to drive the bar up and back rather than just up, enabling you to lift the maximum amount of weight. The two pulls make it possible for you to lift heavier weights. The off-center weight distribution of the KB forbids the use of this two-part pull; you have to pull all at once and extend all the way through to flip or corkscrew the bell over properly. Somebody properly trained in both KBs and oly lifting will always be able to snatch more total weight with a barbell than he will be able to snatch with one or two kettlebells.
Isn't this all it really boils down to, when you skim the polemical cream off the top and just look at the substance of the argument?
Re. the unique benefits of oly lifting, the argument against the kettlebell seems perfectly sound to me, but it seems like a moot point. You can always put more weight overhead with a barbell than with a kettlebell, so of course oly lifting will always be a better tool for peak power training than KG lifting.
Now, arguing oly lifting against Westside or some other good PL-based training system - THAT would be an interesting argument, and one that would really get at the question of whether the sequence of first/second/third pull/squat under really has a unique value.
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