Anybody hear about the school shooting in Oregon yesterday?

[Blaidd Drwg]

You really don't think there's a notable or worthwhile difference between a firearm and a ladder? I get your point, but, come on.

I think there is a a very notable difference. Teaching children to respect that difference is job 1 of any parent...you cannot teach that without disclosing the operation of each one. Do not overestimate the gun, do not underestimate the table saw. Kids who glorify the gun are just as susceptible to stupid thinking as those that fear it. Lying to them doesn't work. It really doesn't.

[Testiclaw]

I don't think I was implying lying to kids about anything.

I also think it's worth pointing out that underestimating the firearm isn't the same as overestimating your skill or safety with the firearm, and both are different than underestimating the value of the people around you-

-even the ones you don't like.

[TerryB]

You guys are arguing whether a ladder is different than a gun?

See, that's the kind of shit that happens after about page 2 or 3 of any thread.

[Blaidd Drwg]

I don't think I was implying lying to kids about anything.

I did not mean to suggest you were. I am openly saying, as a parent of two way smarter than me mini-humans, we lie to kids as common practice.

We lie about sex
We lie about drugs
we lie about danger
we lie about risk
we lie about money
we lie about politics
we lie about race
we lie about class.

We are a nation who programs 24/7 gore on film but cannot be bothered to show a child how to even use the safety on a firearm. It's putrid.
It's why we end up with generations of people who don't understand how to balance a checkbook, much less how to operate a hammer.

I also think it's worth pointing out that underestimating the firearm isn't the same as overestimating your skill or safety with the firearm, and both are different than underestimating the value of the people around you--even the ones you don't like.

No argument...but also a bit of a non-sequitur from my perspective. I have no idea where you're going with the second part. As a parent, in this culture, I focus on keeping my kids eyes open.

[DrDonkeyLove]

My 9 year old knows what to do with all those and how to handle a firearm. Raising humans is so much more relaxing than raising sheep.

Have you played "William Tell" with him yet? Who goes first?

Fuck off an die you disgusting puke. If someone had suggested that to another father on this board I'd merely want them raped to death. Since it's you andf you should know better, I'm hoping for the opportunity to see you drug behind a garbage truck before being raped to death.

Libs please note that there was no threat of gun violence here.

[nafod]

My 9 year old knows what to do with all those and how to handle a firearm. Raising humans is so much more relaxing than raising sheep.

Have you played "William Tell" with him yet? Who goes first?

Fuck off an die you disgusting puke. If someone had suggested that to another father on this board I'd merely want them raped to death. Since it's you andf you should know better, I'm hoping for the opportunity to see you drug behind a garbage truck before being raped to death.

Sorry man. I thought William S Burroughs was your spirit animal.

[Blaidd Drwg]

My 9 year old knows what to do with all those and how to handle a firearm. Raising humans is so much more relaxing than raising sheep.

Have you played "William Tell" with him yet? Who goes first?

Fuck off an die you disgusting puke. If someone had suggested that to another father on this board I'd merely want them raped to death. Since it's you andf you should know better, I'm hoping for the opportunity to see you drug behind a garbage truck before being raped to death.

Sorry man. I thought William S Burroughs was your spirit animal.

It would be fun to watch a group of macaques splashing in your entrails.

[Testiclaw]

I don't think I was implying lying to kids about anything.

I did not mean to suggest you were. I am openly saying, as a parent of two way smarter than me mini-humans, we lie to kids as common practice.

We lie about sex
We lie about drugs
we lie about danger
we lie about risk
we lie about money
we lie about politics
we lie about race
we lie about class.

We are a nation who programs 24/7 gore on film but cannot be bothered to show a child how to even use the safety on a firearm. It's putrid.
It's why we end up with generations of people who don't understand how to balance a checkbook, much less how to operate a hammer.

I also think it's worth pointing out that underestimating the firearm isn't the same as overestimating your skill or safety with the firearm, and both are different than underestimating the value of the people around you--even the ones you don't like.

No argument...but also a bit of a non-sequitur from my perspective. I have no idea where you're going with the second part. As a parent, in this culture, I focus on keeping my kids eyes open.

I don't doubt that you teach your kids a lot of things that other, well, bad parents don't.

Being in Montana, where we have gun lockers on our university campus, plenty of kids know the power they hold, but, weren't taught that much about the lives around them.

It's surprising, and somewhat scary, how quickly threats of shooting show up in guys between 18 and 23.

So not exactly following your post, but an observation in general.

For what it's worth, as an aside;

The typical black street kid in New Haven had no qualms pointing or pulling a gun at the slightest confrontation. Sometimes that meant just walking in their direction. It was pretty unsettling.

In the same breath, the kids here in Montana know a lot more about the weapons they have and use, but, threats or "blowing heads off" are still pretty common. It's typical male gusto, really, but firearms make it that much more uncomfortable, to me.

These rural kids know plenty about guns, but don't seem to value life as much as they maybe should.

[nafod]

My 9 year old knows what to do with all those and how to handle a firearm. Raising humans is so much more relaxing than raising sheep.

Have you played "William Tell" with him yet? Who goes first?

Fuck off an die you disgusting puke. If someone had suggested that to another father on this board I'd merely want them raped to death. Since it's you andf you should know better, I'm hoping for the opportunity to see you drug behind a garbage truck before being raped to death.

Sorry man. I thought William S Burroughs was your spirit animal.

It would be fun to watch a group of macaques splashing in your entrails.

Notice how in your picture of Burroughs that he is still aiming low?

Speaking of kids and guns and accidents, they usually don't shoot themselves. They accidentally shoot a friend, sibling, or adult. So your power saw, ladder, blender analogy doesn't hold.

[Testiclaw]

My 9 year old knows what to do with all those and how to handle a firearm. Raising humans is so much more relaxing than raising sheep.

Have you played "William Tell" with him yet? Who goes first?

Fuck off an die you disgusting puke. If someone had suggested that to another father on this board I'd merely want them raped to death. Since it's you andf you should know better, I'm hoping for the opportunity to see you drug behind a garbage truck before being raped to death.

Sorry man. I thought William S Burroughs was your spirit animal.

It would be fun to watch a group of macaques splashing in your entrails.

Notice how in your picture of Burroughs that he is still aiming low?

Speaking of kids and guns and accidents, they usually don't shoot themselves. They accidentally shoot a friend, sibling, or adult. So your power saw, ladder, bender analogy doesn't hold.

To be fair, if a kid managed to kill 20 fellow students with a ladder he would achieve alpha status.

And then the NRA would declare that we should have armed-laddermen in every classroom.

[The Venerable Bogatir X]

Um, I think I've shared, on this very thread, that I have RL firearms experience and not just a time or three, so testicleclaw and spells and Miloz and shit, surprisingly proto (whom I didn't expect to be such a faggot)....y'all go ahead and fuck yourself. I also mentioned two bizarre occasions in the past two years where I chose to grab a pipe, not one of the guns. Again, I really am not sure why, but it's what I did. You fucking people are largely disgusting.

[Testiclaw]

Um, I think I've shared, on this very thread, that I have RL firearms experience and not just a time or three, so testicleclaw and spells and Miloz and shit, surprisingly proto (whom I didn't expect to be such a faggot)....y'all go ahead and fuck yourself. I also mentioned two bizarre occasions in the past two years where I chose to grab a pipe, not one of the guns. Again, I really am not sure why, but it's what I did. You fucking people are largely disgusting.

But have you killed anyone with a ladder, you pussy?

[Blaidd Drwg]

My 9 year old knows what to do with all those and how to handle a firearm. Raising humans is so much more relaxing than raising sheep.

Have you played "William Tell" with him yet? Who goes first?

Fuck off an die you disgusting puke. If someone had suggested that to another father on this board I'd merely want them raped to death. Since it's you andf you should know better, I'm hoping for the opportunity to see you drug behind a garbage truck before being raped to death.

Sorry man. I thought William S Burroughs was your spirit animal.

It would be fun to watch a group of macaques splashing in your entrails.

Notice how in your picture of Burroughs that he is still aiming low?

Speaking of kids and guns and accidents, they usually don't shoot themselves. They accidentally shoot a friend, sibling, or adult. So your power saw, ladder, blender analogy doesn't hold.

Notice how you're a fucking heinous piece of shit?

Yeah. So did I. Wasn't gonna point it out but the smell of your rancid cunt was overwhelming.

[The Venerable Bogatir X]

Um, I think I've shared, on this very thread, that I have RL firearms experience and not just a time or three, so testicleclaw and spells and Miloz and shit, surprisingly proto (whom I didn't expect to be such a faggot)....y'all go ahead and fuck yourself. I also mentioned two bizarre occasions in the past two years where I chose to grab a pipe, not one of the guns. Again, I really am not sure why, but it's what I did. You fucking people are largely disgusting.

But have you killed anyone with a ladder, you pussy?

Utterly pathetic, you're a far bigger twat than I would have ever guessed.

[Blaidd Drwg]

These rural kids know plenty about guns, but don't seem to value life as much as they maybe should.

How many of your Montana boys them follow through?

Conversely, how many of your New Haven shitbags?

[The Venerable Bogatir X]

LOL...yeah New Haven, CT, oh so ghetto fly and shit. Fucking Keith Hernandez is the best thing to come out of your world other than a nuclear sub or 8. LOL....New Haven, I can't believe you had the sack to utter the town.....your dysfunction is becoming clearer.

[Blaidd Drwg]

http://www.riskcomm.com/visualaids/risk ... ources.php

Chances of dying in the next year

Unintentional firearms discharge 1 in 57,588,244

Falling from ladder or scaffolding 1 in 709,215

I'll keep teaching my kids about managing risk....while Nafod's kids are out searching for their real dad.

[The Venerable Bogatir X]

your kid is far more likely to die from choking on a tiny piece of food than being harmed by a secure firearm. After a choking event with my first kid I learned the Heimlich maneuver and even where to cut into a trachea for a super urgent tracheotomy. Ridiculous? Statistically insignificant? So what, it's my kid and I like the insurance that knowledge gives me. Same holds true with my guns.

So my daughter, Eva, choked not once but twice. The second time my mom was in town and we were at breakfast at a crazy popular place for Father's Day. The place per usual was jammed motherfucking packed and for a few seconds, you could hear a pin drop in that place as my wife and I took care of the matter (which was a piece of bacon). The other time, was actually the first time and she choked on some orange rind.....you want to see a great woman in action? Holy fuck I'm the ex cop who has done CPR on a kid in RL and she pulled that little girl from me so fast I think my head still spins to this day....like 8 years later.

Yeah, fuck the Testicleclaws of the world for sure....clueless douches.....all of them.

[Blaidd Drwg]

Table 15.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

[The Venerable Bogatir X]

Hot holy fuck. Really Nafod? Who the fuck even thinks this way? I might have you gauged all wrong.

[Testiclaw]

Um, I think I've shared, on this very thread, that I have RL firearms experience and not just a time or three, so testicleclaw and spells and Miloz and shit, surprisingly proto (whom I didn't expect to be such a faggot)....y'all go ahead and fuck yourself. I also mentioned two bizarre occasions in the past two years where I chose to grab a pipe, not one of the guns. Again, I really am not sure why, but it's what I did. You fucking people are largely disgusting.

But have you killed anyone with a ladder, you pussy?

Utterly pathetic, you're a far bigger twat than I would have ever guessed.

Lighten up, bro.

[Testiclaw]

These rural kids know plenty about guns, but don't seem to value life as much as they maybe should.

How many of your Montana boys them follow through?

Conversely, how many of your New Haven shitbags?

A very good point.

[Testiclaw]

LOL...yeah New Haven, CT, oh so ghetto fly and shit. Fucking Keith Hernandez is the best thing to come out of your world other than a nuclear sub or 8. LOL....New Haven, I can't believe you had the sack to utter the town.....your dysfunction is becoming clearer.

Oddly enough, I also spent time living in Pacifica.

You're really touchy about this whole thing.

Show me on the doll where the lib touched you?

[The Venerable Bogatir X]

LOL...yeah New Haven, CT, oh so ghetto fly and shit. Fucking Keith Hernandez is the best thing to come out of your world other than a nuclear sub or 8. LOL....New Haven, I can't believe you had the sack to utter the town.....your dysfunction is becoming clearer.

Oddly enough, I also spent time living in Pacifica.

You're really touchy about this whole thing.

Show me on the doll where the lib touched you?

Credit where due, very well played on your last line....I legit LOL at that.

Having actually slept 6 hours last night, I'm a tad less tired.....but yes, I suppose you're right, I am touchy about the thought process of the anti-gun crowd and FTR, I am hardly a gun nut.

Not to ride on BD's coat tails too much, but he is utterly correct in that mass shootings are such an itsy bitsy side effect of guns and ammo in America, it's not worth talking about (almost).

Definitely not to ride on Nafod's coat tails, but he is also correct that these mass shootings do have big psychological effect. However, that's more of an effect of the 24/7 news cycle than the event itself. We have definitive proof of mass slaughters around the globe this year alone and none of us blinked as the anti-gun crowd cared more about who was going to win Dancing With the Stars.

Last but not least is my boy SPELLS!, whom I've known for about 15 years now. He is on my very short list of IGx non-veterans that I will do just about anything for short of felony crime or gay sex and since it's unlikely he'd ask me for either, I would pretty much do anything for him....he is a stand-up mofo. (Shape is the only one who won't stop bugging me to bend him over.) Now he/Spells is also a colossal kook with his hardcore, rigid, left wing mindset, but a lot of you guys have been brainwashed that way along the lines that me and my ilk got brainwashed over 13 weeks in Parris Island, I suppose.

I know I said the reality is, most people who have guns would basically have them shoved up their ass by a bad guy before they squeezed off a round. But that is today's America. Not your grandpa's or great grandpa's America. The good news is I think we can get back there PDQ. As someone pointed out, our caliber of young men who have been to combat as volunteers over the last 20 years is nothing short of spectacular. Now it's leveraging that 4% or whatever to help out the other 96% or whatever.

[nafod]

Hot holy fuck. Really Nafod? Who the fuck even thinks this way? I might have you gauged all wrong.

Not sure what you are talking about, or why Blaidd's panties are so bunched, but let me just say...

When I saw that William S Burroughs shot his wife in the face while drunk and trying hit a glass on her head, I LOL'd. I get it now, you were being ironic. I guess. I also head Burroughs saying, "They alwayesh come afshter da guns of the - hold shtill, hon, I'm trying to aim here (hic)..."

So when I saw the IGx chief pharmacist make reference to his kids and guns, I had this vision of Blaid and Blaid Jr standing out back next to a picnic table with with shots, lines, and a pile of prescription pills laid out, wearing lab coats with holsters, popping and shooting and trying to knock empty prescription bottles of Testosterone Replacement Therapy off each other's heads, bullets zinging into the neighbor's outhouse on one side and the old broken down pickup truck on other.