A Future US Armed Rebellion

[nafod]

Whether incrementalism is a real danger or not, it should be considered a danger and resisted - always and passionately.

The problem is when any compromise is seen as incrementalism, which is essentially where we're at now as a country.

The problem with what you say is, there is no such thing as compromise in matters of the constitution and bill of rights. Something is either constitutional or it is not. Unless you want to amend the constitution, then as PL54 said, good luck.

Slavery was ruled Constitutional back in the day. It took an amendment to cement in its unconstitutionality after the Supreme Court said it was.

So there may certainly be no room for compromise, but there is equally certainly an enduring requirement for interpretation, else we'd not need a Supreme Court. It is easy to pose situations where the Constitution and the body of laws conflict with themselves. The system is not consistent. Rights can conflict with each other.

I see the litmus test/question "do you believe in the 2nd amendment?" Being asked regularly. What an odd, stupid question. First, belief is for tooth fairies and Santa Claus. Support and defend is for the Constitution. Second, I took an oath to support and defend the whole damn thing, from opening preamble to closing period. Most people couldn't come within a country of naming all of the BOR amendments and what they mean, most of which actually have a much greater impact on your freedoms.

[Thatcher II]

I have reported this thread to the mods. It represents a low water mark in anonymous Internet discussion and should be locked and stickied SimulTANeoUsLy. I say that as a PaRtICIpants.

[DrDonkeyLove]

Whether incrementalism is a real danger or not, it should be considered a danger and resisted - always and passionately.

The problem is when any compromise is seen as incrementalism, which is essentially where we're at now as a country.

There, indeed, is the problem. In this case everyone wants to do something to put an end to these crazy mass murder events but that singular issue of practicality is lost in greater strategic battles.

It's sad but true that sides have agendas and use events as levers to further those agendas....policy agendas...financial agendas...personal political agendas (see Andrew Cuomo for all of the above). It's very difficult to be reasonable any longer in a 50/50 divided country ginned up by a 24/7 news cycle that is managed almost exclusively by partisans of one stripe or another.

Every event becomes a battle pitting the forces of light vs. the forces of darkness and the good of America and/or humanity is, apparently always, at stake (see partial birth abortion, greenhouse gases, or guns). You would think that if there were any two things people could agree on it's that delivering a baby 90% of the way and then sucking his brains out, or keeping powerful weapons with high capacity magazines out of the hands of maniacs, would be something where we can all get work together to responsibly and reasonably come up with a solution that works....nope...can't be done. This can't end well for the nation.

As individuals, we have to find a way to navigate this new world. Personally, I've decided that if it advances personal liberty and responsibility I'll tend to support it. If it retards it, I'll tend to oppose it. If it fucks with a foundational liberty, I'll oppose it passionately. Hence, my vigor over recent 2nd and 4th amendment assaults by executives and legislatures, and also 1st amendment assaults on campuses (as the campuses go today, so will go civil discourse in the future).

[Turdacious]

Slavery was ruled Constitutional back in the day. It took an amendment to cement in its unconstitutionality after the Supreme Court said it was.

Eh? Slavery was explicitly and implicitly constitutional. Where are you getting the idea that slavery was ruled unconstitutional before the 13th and 14th amendment became law?

[I'd Hit It]

http://www.examiner.com/article/shock-c ... s-citizens

On Monday, renowned author and humanitarian Dr. Jim Garrow made a shocking claim about what we can expect to see in Obama's second term.

Garrow made the following Facebook post:

I have just been informed by a former senior military leader that Obama is using a new “litmus test” in determining who will stay and who must go in his military leaders. Get ready to explode folks. “The new litmus test of leadership in the military is if they will fire on US citizens or not.” Those who will not are being removed.

So, who is the source?

Garrow replied: “The man who told me this is one of America’s foremost military heroes.”

Understand, this is not coming from Alex Jones or Jesse Ventura, or from anyone else the left often dismisses with great ease.

Garrow is a well-respected activist and has spent much of his life rescuing infant girls from China, babies who would be killed under that country's one-child policy. He was also nominated for Nobel Peace Prize for his work.

His bio on Amazon.com reads:

Dr. James Garrow is the author of The Pink Pagoda: One Man’s Quest to End Gendercide in China. He has spent over $25 million over the past sixteen years rescuing an estimated 40,000 baby Chinese girls from near-certain death under China’s one-child-per-couple policy by facilitating international adoptions. He is the founder and executive director of the Bethune Institute’s Pink Pagoda schools, private English-immersion schools for Chinese children. Today he runs 168 schools with nearly 6,300 employees.

This comes on the heels of Sunday's report in the Washington Free Beacon (WFB) that the head of Central Command, Marine Corps Gen. James Mattis is being dismissed by Obama and will leave his post in March.

The WFB article states:

“Word on the national security street is that General James Mattis is being given the bum’s rush out of his job as commander of Central Command, and is being told to vacate his office several months earlier than planned.”

Did Gen. Mattis refuse to "fire on U.S. citizens?"

And we know Garrow is a legitimate source because . . . ? This blog post gives a rundown on Garrow. Makes a lot of outrageous claims (supported by Hu Jintao, other shadowy anonymous politicians, numbers of girls saved would be be about half of all children adopted from China, Nobel Prize nominees aren't revealed for 50 years, etc). After people started investigating he started deleting some of his more outrageous claims. The post writer goes on to say some of his claims are possible in theory, but no evidence has been found to support them. Pretty easy for anyone to dismiss a guy like that. Any time you hear of someone making big claims like that you should investigate them before taking their word at face value.

[Holland Oates]

They should hire me. I'd fire on US civilians. Fuck you guys.

[nafod]

Eh? Slavery was explicitly and implicitly constitutional. Where are you getting the idea that slavery was ruled unconstitutional before the 13th and 14th amendment became law?

I am agreeing with you that it was ruled constitutional. I am saying it never should have been.

[Turdacious]

Eh? Slavery was explicitly and implicitly constitutional. Where are you getting the idea that slavery was ruled unconstitutional before the 13th and 14th amendment became law?

I am agreeing with you that it was ruled constitutional. I am saying it never should have been.

Not that I'm in favor of slavery, but I'm guess I don't understand where you're coming from. AFAIK, the 3/5 clause, and understanding that slavery would be legal, were a key in getting the six southern colonies to agree to the Constitution.

[Crust Bucket]

They should hire me. I'd fire on US civilians. Fuck you guys.

Fuck Ed you're so mean sometimes... GAWD!

[Turdacious]

[Holland Oates]

Fuck Ed you're so mean sometimes... GAWD!

You say hurtful things Crusty.

[Holland Oates]

[QUOTE="Turdacious"][/QUOTE]

Hahahaha

Awesome

[Crust Bucket]

I was just thinking that...LOL.

[nafod]

Not that I'm in favor of slavery, but I'm guess I don't understand where you're coming from. AFAIK, the 3/5 clause, and understanding that slavery would be legal, were a key in getting the six southern colonies to agree to the Constitution.

Yeah, my point-fu was weak

[Spider Monkey]

It might not be an armed rebellion. These guys are getting more sophisticated. http://www.zdnet.com/anonymous-hacks-us ... 000010369/

[DrDonkeyLove]

It might not be an armed rebellion. These guys are getting more sophisticated. http://www.zdnet.com/anonymous-hacks-us ... 000010369/

Sunlight such as this might not technically be "arms", but it's a wonderful disinfectant. I'd love it if these guys could get deep info from party elites (Axelrod or Rove types) or international investment bankers.

[Spider Monkey]

It might not be an armed rebellion. These guys are getting more sophisticated. http://www.zdnet.com/anonymous-hacks-us ... 000010369/

Sunlight such as this might not technically be "arms", but it's a wonderful disinfectant. I'd love it if these guys could get deep info from party elites (Axelrod or Rove types) or international investment bankers.

I know those guys are anarchists but I can't help feeling like I want to route for them. Maybe I'm an anarchist too. Yep. I probably am. A little sunlight and disinfectant will be good for everyone. Keep up the good work anonymous.

[Protobuilder]

Most people couldn't come within a country of naming all of the BOR amendments and what they mean, most of which actually have a much greater impact on your freedoms.

When people are screaming about their guns, attacks on the rest of the BOR are far more effective and easier to carry out. The 5th and 6th Amendments were taken apart by NDAA and it's becoming increasingly clear that the 1st Amendment doesn't necessarily apply if you criticize the administration.

[DrDonkeyLove]

Most people couldn't come within a country of naming all of the BOR amendments and what they mean, most of which actually have a much greater impact on your freedoms.

When people are screaming about their guns, attacks on the rest of the BOR are far more effective and easier to carry out. The 5th and 6th Amendments were taken apart by NDAA and it's becoming increasingly clear that the 1st Amendment doesn't necessarily apply if you criticize the administration.

The NDAA is what put me on my freedom rant. The new and unimproved FISA cemented it. Neither party really cares. Repugs are on board for the 2nd because they need/fear the NRA. I wish there was a way to monetize Congress' relationship to the other amendments towards the direction of freedom.

Thankfully, Anheuser-Busch, Miller-Coors, the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, and myriad college sports will keep the 21st amendment sacred and unmolested......for the collective good of the American people of coarse.

[Andy83]

Them kids raised by liberals in the cities can't even learn to drive a stick shift. Why? because their parents can't either. Why? Because. That's why.

[Protobuilder]

Most people couldn't come within a country of naming all of the BOR amendments and what they mean, most of which actually have a much greater impact on your freedoms.

When people are screaming about their guns, attacks on the rest of the BOR are far more effective and easier to carry out. The 5th and 6th Amendments were taken apart by NDAA and it's becoming increasingly clear that the 1st Amendment doesn't necessarily apply if you criticize the administration.

The NDAA is what put me on my freedom rant. The new and unimproved FISA cemented it. Neither party really cares. Repugs are on board for the 2nd because they need/fear the NRA. I wish there was a way to monetize Congress' relationship to the other amendments towards the direction of freedom.

Thankfully, Anheuser-Busch, Miller-Coors, the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, and myriad college sports will keep the 21st amendment sacred and unmolested......for the collective good of the American people of coarse.

As much as I disagree with the hardcore guns nut on most everything, mostly because it's so damn fun, I am in agreement with the basic point that civil liberties are being infringed upon across the board. GWB pushed a lot of bad ideas though at least he, or the people who whispered in his ears, were wolves in wolves clothing. BHO, the civil liberties guy is pushing things even farther setting Hillary Clinton up as being the most powerful POTUS in the history of the republic in another four years.

[Protobuilder]

Oh yeah, could we have a roll call here, please?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/ ... story.html

Jimmy Lee Dykes, reportedly stopped a school bus on a dirt road about 3:35 p.m., shooting the driver four times with a pistol before seizing a random kindergartner and returning to an underground bunker on his property.

[Fat Cat]

We don’t need gun control, we need Jesus.

[Grandpa's Spells]

Oh yeah, could we have a roll call here, please?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/ ... story.html

Jimmy Lee Dykes, reportedly stopped a school bus on a dirt road about 3:35 p.m., shooting the driver four times with a pistol before seizing a random kindergartner and returning to an underground bunker on his property.

We need guys who ride on top of school buses with with shotguns like they used to do with stage coaches.

[TerryB]

Oh yeah, could we have a roll call here, please?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/ ... story.html

Jimmy Lee Dykes, reportedly stopped a school bus on a dirt road about 3:35 p.m., shooting the driver four times with a pistol before seizing a random kindergartner and returning to an underground bunker on his property.

HIs mom and dad are probably registered Democrats.