hot enough for ya?

[dead man walking]

This year will probably be the 10th warmest on record, and the hottest featuring the La Nina phenomenon that brings cooler waters to the surface of the Pacific Ocean, the World Meteorological Organisation said.

The global average temperature through October was about 0.41 of a degree Celsius (0.74 of a degree Fahrenheit) above the average of 14 degrees from 1961 to 1990, the WMO said today in a statement released at the United Nations climate talks in Durban, South Africa. That means the 13 warmest years on record have been in the last 15 years, the organisation said.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/clima ... z1f8RHsmgh

[dead man walking]

Study: Thawing permafrost will worsen global warming

Massive amounts of greenhouse gases trapped below thawing permafrost will likely seep into the air over the next several decades, accelerating and amplifying global warming, scientists warn. . . .

Adding in that gas means that warming would happen "20 to 30 percent faster than from fossil fuel emissions alone," said Edward Schuur of the University of Florida. "You are significantly speeding things up by releasing this carbon."

Usually the first few to several inches of permafrost thaw in the summer, but scientists are now looking at up to 10 feet of soft unfrozen ground because of warmer temperatures, he said. The gases come from decaying plants that have been stuck below frozen ground for millennia.

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate ... 51512986/1

[Turdacious]

[dead man walking]

. . . many communities dependent on natural resources are finding the effects of climate change to be a threat to their survival. For example, in the coastal communities of the Indian Ocean, coral reef fish are a staple on the menu of millions of people, providing protein and other critical nutrients. Overfishing already makes it difficult to get a day’s catch. This is now being compounded by increased ocean temperatures, which have killed 95 percent of the corals in some places. The associated habitat loss has and will continue to precipitate a further decrease in the availability of fish. Most strikingly, there is a pronounced lack of juveniles for many important fisheries species, which makes tomorrow’s catch look even bleaker.

In the longer-term, rising acidity in the oceans will add to this habitat loss by making it more difficult for corals to build the reef structure itself. For the people who make their living from these tropical seas, climate change isn’t some possibility far into the future–it is already happening. The science indicates it is only going to get worse.

[dead man walking]

A new study released Friday finds that Greenland has risen in recent years as the rate of ice melting has increased, a startling revelation that scientists attribute to global warming.

Speaking at a conference on Friday, a team of scientists from Ohio State University said a network of 50 GPS stations measured the uplift as the ice loss, noting that the rate of ice loss has accelerated in southern Greenland by 100 billion tons. The study was lead by Ohio State University researcher Michael Bevis.

Mr. Bevis noted that an unusually hot melting season in 2010 accelerated ice loss in southern Greenland by 100 billion tons, which led to large portions of the island’s bedrock rising an additional quarter of an inch.

http://www.thestatecolumn.com/science/g ... z1gBzpeSrP

[PC Polar Circle Person]

DMW, all of this is not important at all. We just need to make more money, consume more to fix the economy and everything will be fine.

[Gene]

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” - Joseph Goebbels

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over” - Joseph Goebbels


“Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it” - Adolf Hitler

[Gene]

"As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality". - Albert Einstein

“If you thought that science was certain - well, that is just an error on your part.” - Richard Feynman

"The idea is to try to give all the information to help others to judge the value of your contribution; not just the information that leads to judgment in one particular direction or another” - Richard Feynman

"“no respect whatsoever for authority.” - Richard Feynman

[Gene]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LniAMl4Grvo[/youtube]

[Turdacious]

The Discovery Channel is set to air the documentary series, which is co-produced by the BBC, thoughout North America next March.
It will encompass all seven episodes, including the controversial program on climate change, which will be hosted by Sir David Attenborough.
On that seventh episode, the famed British naturalist will investigate what rising temperatures will mean for the planet and life on it.
After much debate about whether it would be shown in the US not, prompting concern American viewers will not learn about climate change at the Poles, the network announced Tuesday, that it would be screened.
The airing of the final episode of Frozen Planet will have a huge impact on the ongoing debate about global warming.
The controversial programme will be aired in Britain on Wednesday, educating more than eight million people about the impacts of climate change on the Poles.
It shows Sir David, 85, standing at the North Pole for the first time and tracking polar bears by helicopter.
He inspects first hand an underweight animal, knocked unconscious by dart gun, that may be struggling to find food because the ice is melting.
Sir David says the North Pole may be ice free in summer by 2020. This will mean that polar bears go hungry as they rely on the ice to hunt seals.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthn ... erica.html

[Turdacious]

Dramatic footage of a polar bear tending her newborn cubs in the flagship BBC show Frozen Planet was filmed in a Dutch zoo using fake snow.
In one of the most engaging moments of its Winter episode, the tiny bears are shown mewling at their mother and nuzzling her for milk.
Eight million viewers were led to believe the scene had been captured by BBC cameramen inside an underground cave in the brutal sub-zero temperatures of the Arctic wilderness.
Not as it seems: The 'den' in the wildlife park was constructed out of plaster and wood, built below the zoo's polar bear enclosure. It was fitted with cameras shortly before the birth
But the footage, narrated by Sir David Attenborough, and interspersed with real shots of the Arctic, was in fact filmed in a den made of plaster and wood in a wildlife enclosure.
The truth behind the fakery is only revealed in a hard-to-find video among 14 other clips accompanying the Winter episode of the series on the BBC website.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvan ... aries.html

[Thatcher II]

....The truth behind the fakery is only revealed in a hard-to-find video among 14 other clips accompanying the Winter episode of the series on the BBC website.....telegraph.co.uk

So the BBC made a documentary. They post on their own website about how a certain scene was in fact filmed in a zoo, because, understandably, filming wild polar bears in their underground den would be particularly difficult and probably not great for the bear cubs if it went wrong. And this means that the BBC and Sir David Attenborough (85) are lying to the public about climate change.

You are not a complete moron, but you are close to it.

What is laughable is that so many in the lower social strata of America are the attack dogs of the big business anti-GW machine. Willingly putting in the kicks in the totally unrealistic expectation that they will ever have the means to really enjoy the "freedoms" their betters tell them are under attack. Goebbels could only marvel at the vice-grip they have on American consciousness and media.

And "Telegraph". Snort.

[Herv100]

I LOVE THE DUMBASSES WHO THINK BIG BUSINESS IS AGAINST THE GLOBAL WARMING SCAM!
LOL

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8269008.stm

Global firms seek climate deal

A group of more than 500 international companies has urged the United Nations to agree a strong new climate deal to help combat global warming.

The group called for "immediate and deep" cuts in greenhouse gas emissions, as world leaders meet at the UN in New York for climate change talks.

The companies are members of the Prince of Wales's Corporate Leaders Group on Climate Change.

They include Tesco, German insurer Allianz and oil giant Shell.

In December, the UN will meet for a climate summit in Copenhagen.

"These are difficult and challenging times for the international business community and a poor outcome from... Copenhagen will only make them more so," the group's statement said.

"If a sufficiently ambitious, effective and globally equitable deal can be agreed, it will... deliver the economic signals that companies need if they are to invest billions of dollars in low carbon products, services, technologies and infrastructure."

"THE WORLD'S ELITE ARE LIARS AND WANT TO SCREW US OVER WITH THEIR BANKING CARTELS, GLOBAL WARS, AND CONSUMERISM! EXCEPT FOR GLOBAL WARMING, I TRUST THEM ABOUT THAT!"

LOL

[Turdacious]

Panorama: The BBC apologised in June after it was found ‘likely’ that Panorama had faked scenes of boys said to be working in an Indian sweatshop.

Blue Peter: BBC fined £50,000 in June 2007 after a young studio guest posed as a caller when the telephone system failed during a 2006 phone-in.

Children in Need: A fictitious winner’s details were broadcast during Children in Need on BBC1 Scotland in November 2005 after no calls came through from the public.

A Year With The Queen: BBC apologised to the Queen in 2007 after a trailer wrongly implied that she had stormed out of a sitting with photographer Annie Leibovitz.

The Liz Kershaw Show: BBC6 Music found to have repeatedly faked competitions where no prizes existed and that callers had been members of the production team or their friends.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... rctic.html

Not that there have ever been problems with the ethics of the limey media, of coarse.

[Thatcher II]

I LOVE THE DUMBASSES WHO THINK BIG BUSINESS IS AGAINST THE GLOBAL WARMING SCAM!
LOL

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8269008.stm

Global firms seek climate deal

A group of more than 500 international companies has urged the United Nations to agree a strong new climate deal to help combat global warming.

The group called for "immediate and deep" cuts in greenhouse gas emissions, as world leaders meet at the UN in New York for climate change talks.

The companies are members of the Prince of Wales's Corporate Leaders Group on Climate Change.

They include Tesco, German insurer Allianz and oil giant Shell.

In December, the UN will meet for a climate summit in Copenhagen.

"These are difficult and challenging times for the international business community and a poor outcome from... Copenhagen will only make them more so," the group's statement said.

"If a sufficiently ambitious, effective and globally equitable deal can be agreed, it will... deliver the economic signals that companies need if they are to invest billions of dollars in low carbon products, services, technologies and infrastructure."

"THE WORLD'S ELITE ARE LIARS AND WANT TO SCREW US OVER WITH THEIR BANKING CARTELS, GLOBAL WARS, AND CONSUMERISM! EXCEPT FOR GLOBAL WARMING, I TRUST THEM ABOUT THAT!"

LOL

The dog in your avatar is smarter than you. Fact.

[Herv100]

LOL "the US got rid of the gold standard and pegged the dollar to oil."

Now "Big Business anti GW propaganda"

You're a moron, Runt, and your commie fag troll is weak

[dead man walking]

speaking of media bias

The Wall Street Journal published a letter expressing skepticism about anthropogenic climate change signed by a group of engineers, retired weathermen, and scientists from fields other than climate science.

In response, a much larger group of actual climate scientists signed onto a letter rebutting the first letter. The WSJ rejected it. Instead, the pre-eminent science journal Science . . . published it, as "Climate change and the Integrity of Science" on January 27th, 2012.

[Turdacious]

How dare the WSJ not consider weathermen experts on climate change!

[dead man walking]

that's your rebuttal?

[Turdacious]

that's your rebuttal?

Not one of my best. Pertinent summary of the letter:

(ii) Most of the increase in the concentration of these gases over the last century is due to human activities, especially the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation.

(iii) Natural causes always play a role in changing Earth's climate, but are now being overwhelmed by human-induced changes.

http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/ ... ngs_an.php

Richard Muller didn't come to the same conclusion.

[dead man walking]

turd,

you're ignorant w/ regard to muller. i offer this observation with respect.

muller's study sought only to determine whether warming was happening. he found that it is, most emphatically. he did not examine whether the warming as human-made.

here's what he wrote regarding that matter: “Perhaps our results will help cool this portion of the climate debate. How much of the warming is due to humans and what will be the likely effects? We made no independent assessment of that.”

[Turdacious]

turd,

you're ignorant w/ regard to muller. i offer this observation with respect.

muller's study sought only to determine whether warming was happening. he found that it is, most emphatically. he did not examine whether the warming as human-made.

here's what he wrote regarding that matter: “Perhaps our results will help cool this portion of the climate debate. How much of the warming is due to humans and what will be the likely effects? We made no independent assessment of that.”

Whether or not the warming is natural or man-made is the first question that matters-- it's not answered yet.

[Turdacious]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... are_in_bot

The fact that Muller had to spend so much time evaluating the validity of the climate data is not good either.

[dead man walking]

the deniers have said that warming is not occurring. they've lost that argument, even though some continue to make it.

so now one are can only argue, "well, it may be warming, but it's not our fault."

if we are the cause, even if only in part, the implications are big, so i get why the deniers, emulating tobacco barons and bolstered by doctrinaire institutions like the wsj editorial board, are fighting to the end.

i look forward to accepting your sword when you finally come around.

p.s. your wsj link takes me to "page can't be found."

[Turdacious]

the deniers have said that warming is not occurring. they've lost that argument, even though some continue to make it.

so now one are can only argue, "well, it may be warming, but it's not our fault."

if we are the cause, even if only in part, the implications are big

That is a ridiculous straw man argument. No global warming is effectively the same as natural global warming-- something to prepare for but not a critical issue. If we are the cause, that needs to be shown-- it hasn't been yet.