Two Glynn County commissioners say District Attorney Jackie Johnson’s office refused to allow the Glynn County Police Department to make arrests immediately after the Feb. 23 shooting death of Ahmaud Arbery.
The GBI announced the arrests of Travis McMichael, 34, and his father Greg McMichael, 64, on Thursday - more than two months after the fatal shooting. They were denied bond Friday afternoon.
“The police at the scene went to her, saying they were ready to arrest both of them. These were the police at the scene who had done the investigation,” Commissioner Allen Booker, who has spoken with Glynn County police, told The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. “She shut them down to protect her friend McMichael.”
Greg McMichael, now retired, once worked as an investigator in Johnson’s office.
Commissioner Peter Murphy, who also said he spoke directly to Glynn County police about the incident, said officers at the scene concluded they had probable cause to make arrests and contacted Johnson’s office to inform the prosecutor of their decision.
“They were told not to make the arrest,” Murphy said.
Johnson recused herself from the case within days of the shooting. Her office has not responded to a request to comment on the commissioners’ account of what happened, or on the case in general.
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I haven't really followed this case. Is this an accurate account of what happened or just commissioners trying to gain political favor? Is Brunswick a powder keg like Ferguson?
"Liberalism is arbitrarily selective in its choice of whose dignity to champion." Adrian Vermeule
The Georgia Bureau of Investigation took over the case. Local Police are along for the ride.
Why would locals riot? The two yahoos are in jail without bond. If Johnson obstructed Justice then she'll face the music. Booker can make his claims in Court.
The System needed some help.
Loved to know what was going through the heads of those two dumbasses. You run up on someone armed, saying "We want to talk to you". Ain't how you do it, especially if you're a white boy and they're some kid dressed in jogging clothes running.
If Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Benjamin Crump aren't involved then probably not. With the GBI running things there probably won't be a dismissal on procedural grounds (and subsequent violence, which would be the whole point) so maybe this one goes through clean.
Gene wrote: ↑Sat May 09, 2020 3:31 pm
The Georgia Bureau of Investigation took over the case. Local Police are along for the ride.
Why would locals riot? The two yahoos are in jail without bond. If Johnson obstructed Justice then she'll face the music. Booker can make his claims in Court.
The System needed some help.
Loved to know what was going through the heads of those two dumbasses. You run up on someone armed, saying "We want to talk to you". Ain't how you do it, especially if you're a white boy and they're some kid dressed in jogging clothes running.
I can't answer what would cause the locals to riot. Maybe there's a long term festering problem (like in Ferguson), which, combined with COVID19 related financial stress and cabin fever, could cause problems.
From a gun rights perspective, is there an argument for those two Deliverance extras being in the clear legally?
"Liberalism is arbitrarily selective in its choice of whose dignity to champion." Adrian Vermeule
Gene wrote: ↑Sat May 09, 2020 3:31 pm
The Georgia Bureau of Investigation took over the case. Local Police are along for the ride.
Why would locals riot? The two yahoos are in jail without bond. If Johnson obstructed Justice then she'll face the music. Booker can make his claims in Court.
The System needed some help.
Loved to know what was going through the heads of those two dumbasses. You run up on someone armed, saying "We want to talk to you". Ain't how you do it, especially if you're a white boy and they're some kid dressed in jogging clothes running.
I can't answer what would cause the locals to riot. Maybe there's a long term festering problem (like in Ferguson), which, combined with COVID19 related financial stress and cabin fever, could cause problems.
From a gun rights perspective, is there an argument for those two Deliverance extras being in the clear legally?
This has made the rounds on gun forums as it's developed into a high profile news event. Strong consensus on no. They chased him on mere vague suspicion, cut off his escape, and drew on him. Most gun owners think he was reasonable to assume he was in imminent danger and launch a violent defense. IMO, had he succeeded in taking a gun and killed them it would have been justified. I think these guys forgot they were no longer in law enforcement and thought they could act like uniformed cops and the victim would respond like they were cops. Well, they couldn't and he didn't.
Gene wrote: ↑Sat May 09, 2020 3:31 pm
The Georgia Bureau of Investigation took over the case. Local Police are along for the ride.
Why would locals riot? The two yahoos are in jail without bond. If Johnson obstructed Justice then she'll face the music. Booker can make his claims in Court.
The System needed some help.
Loved to know what was going through the heads of those two dumbasses. You run up on someone armed, saying "We want to talk to you". Ain't how you do it, especially if you're a white boy and they're some kid dressed in jogging clothes running.
I can't answer what would cause the locals to riot. Maybe there's a long term festering problem (like in Ferguson), which, combined with COVID19 related financial stress and cabin fever, could cause problems.
From a gun rights perspective, is there an argument for those two Deliverance extras being in the clear legally?
This has made the rounds on gun forums as it's developed into a high profile news event. Strong consensus on no. They chased him on mere vague suspicion, cut off his escape, and drew on him. Most gun owners think he was reasonable to assume he was in imminent danger and launch a violent defense. IMO, had he succeeded in taking a gun and killed them it would have been justified. I think these guys forgot they were no longer in law enforcement and thought they could act like uniformed cops and the victim would respond like they were cops. Well, they couldn't and he didn't.
I agree with the above and assume they're guilty. But, if we've learned anything from the Michael Brown shooting in Ferguson, the Covington teenagers, and Jussie Smollet, things aren't always as they first appear.
I'm not defending these guys in the slightest, but just because they look like archetypal inbred racist hillbillies doesn't mean they are. Whether they're guilty of murder, manslaughter, or recklessness, I hope we get to see the whole story.
Regarding riots, I don't see that happening unless they walk free. Then it could get very Rodney King.
Whether it is a good law or not, Georgia allows citizens arrest.
The jogger (lol) had repeatedly been recorded robbing and searching a neighborhood house. There is film of him doing it just before the incident.
He was not jogging. He was wearing loosely tied timbs and cargo shorts. And carrying a hammer. And hauling ass through a residential neighborhood in which he didn't live. By law, the men were allowed to detain and question or hold him. He resisted. They defended themselves. Note: a gun was stolen a few days before.
Under GA law there was no crime. And that is why two different DAs declined prosecution. And only months later and at a nationally convenient time for the press was the machine ginned up and a DA leveraged into brining an impossible case.
Prediction: drug use and mental illness of decedent will come to light. I bet his twitter has been scrubbed sadly.
Will Atlanta burn? Probably. Crump is involved and it is an election year. And Obama is moving into the public eye over the Flynn revelations and dismissal. It won BO a number of elections.
Benny, that arrest law applies to a crime you see in progress. Not one days before by someone you THINK is a particular person you see later, not even if your ID is correct. This has been discussed in many places. A trial is appropriate here.
You are not operating under the knowledge of all the facts. As the DA says they were in "hot pursuit" and justified under the statute. Two different DAs came to this decision.
Again, you might not like the laws in effect. It doesn't matter. Under GA law they have the right to pursue and detain suspects. And they have the right to carry arms. A police officer could have pursued him and so could they.
Bennyonesix1 wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 2:51 am
Lol read the DA letter. Last link I posted.
You are not operating under the knowledge of all the facts. As the DA says they were in "hot pursuit" and justified under the statute. Two different DAs came to this decision.
Again, you might not like the laws in effect. It doesn't matter. Under GA law they have the right to pursue and detain suspects. And they have the right to carry arms. A police officer could have pursued him and so could they.
You may need to take the L on this one.
One of the downsides of the Internet is that it allows like-minded people to form communities, and sometimes those communities are stupid.
Uhhh listen HR Lady. There's no subject I'll defer to you on, an dit sure as hell won't be the law. It's a simple case just like Trayvon's. It really is just a simple case.
Bennyonesix1 wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 12:37 am
The jogger (lol) had repeatedly been recorded robbing and searching a neighborhood house. There is film of him doing it just before the incident.
He was not jogging. He was wearing loosely tied timbs and cargo shorts. And carrying a hammer. And hauling ass through a residential neighborhood in which he didn't live. By law, the men were allowed to detain and question or hold him. He resisted. They defended themselves. Note: a gun was stolen a few days before.
The only video I saw, that you linked, was a very short clip of him looking at a house under construction. No burglaries had been reported so not sure where you are getting that.
Dont really get the clothing either. In that same video you linked, he appears to be in sneakers. Cant really tell about the shorts but he looks like a jogger to me in both that video and the one showing him being shot.
Those dudes could have waited for the cops or taken a picture of him. Though it says a lot about them assuming the running black man must be the one who stole their gun. If it was stolen at all. Armed confrontation was completely unnecessary. He was not accused of hurting anyone. Checking out a house under construction is a normal thing that nosy people do. The last house that was built in our neighborhood had all kinds of neighbors checking it out on the weekends. That DAs letter was petty and biased and basically excuses murder based on the testimony of the murderers.
Miss Piggy wrote:Never eat more than you can lift.
As part of the continuing probe into Arbery’s death, the GBI announced it is also looking into Willian “Roddie” Bryan, the man who recorded Arbery’s fatal shooting. Bryan’s attorney, Kevin Gough, released a statement Friday that his client had done nothing wrong and had fully cooperated with law enforcement [...]
Gough, a former Brunswick Judicial Circuit public defender, was fired in 2016 by the Georgia Public Defender Council’s over allegations that he insufficiently represented his clients, according to local reports. He claimed he was targeted because he called out Johnson for delaying cases while his clients sat in jail.
Brunswick Judicial Circuit Public Defender Kevin Gough is accusing District Attorney Jackie Johnson of wasting taxpayer dollars and delaying justice by holding cases hostage. “It doesn’t add up,” said Gough.
Gough said Johnson has filed just 71 cases with his office in the first quarter of this year. Compare that to 261 cases filed in the same time frame last year. “We have 2011, 2012, 2013 cases on a 2016 trial calendar. Interestingly, not a single 2016 case for the public defender is on the May calendar, and we’re almost halfway through the year,” said Gough [...]
In the past few weeks, Gough said his office has filed dozens of pleas to the Georgia bar, saying the district attorney is violating his clients’ rights to a speedy trial by waiting to file. “The practical matter is a case can sit for years without a constitutional speedy trial demand having any impact,” said Gough.
Former Brunswick Circuit Public Defender Kevin Gough lashed out Tuesday at his former boss, accusing him in a news release of removing him from office to protect a Superior Court judge against whom Gough intends to file an ethics complaint. In a release identifying himself as “circuit public defender-in-exile,″ Gough accused Bryan Tyson, executive director of the state Public Defender Council, of putting out false and misleading statements about him privately and publicly.
In a statement issued Thursday announcing Gough’s removal and an investigation, Tyson said his office had, within the past week, “learned of allegations concerning the representation of indigent defendants and the treatment of″ assistant public defenders in the circuit [...]
He also cited Gough’s failing as a manager that became apparent when a female staff member filed a grievance in summer of 2015, asserting that Gough did not adequately address a sexual harassment complaint she filed against another staff member. In the immediate aftermath of her first grievance, the woman filed a second saying Gough had retaliated against her for filing the first one, Tyson wrote.
Bennyonesix1 wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 12:37 am
The jogger (lol) had repeatedly been recorded robbing and searching a neighborhood house. There is film of him doing it just before the incident.
He was not jogging. He was wearing loosely tied timbs and cargo shorts. And carrying a hammer. And hauling ass through a residential neighborhood in which he didn't live. By law, the men were allowed to detain and question or hold him. He resisted. They defended themselves. Note: a gun was stolen a few days before.
The only video I saw, that you linked, was a very short clip of him looking at a house under construction. No burglaries had been reported so not sure where you are getting that.
Dont really get the clothing either. In that same video you linked, he appears to be in sneakers. Cant really tell about the shorts but he looks like a jogger to me in both that video and the one showing him being shot.
Those dudes could have waited for the cops or taken a picture of him. Though it says a lot about them assuming the running black man must be the one who stole their gun. If it was stolen at all. Armed confrontation was completely unnecessary. He was not accused of hurting anyone. Checking out a house under construction is a normal thing that nosy people do. The last house that was built in our neighborhood had all kinds of neighbors checking it out on the weekends. That DAs letter was petty and biased and basically excuses murder based on the testimony of the murderers.
Listen Karen. Your "should be" and your "ought to be" are irrelevant. The law in GA allows citizen's arrest. And it allows open carry. That dude had been video'd before in the house and seen snooping around other private property in the area. There had been thefts from that house and also a revolver taken from one of the men performing the citizen's arrest. He was in unlaced boots and cargo shorts and he was also carrying a hammer which he dropped. He was sprinting through the neighborhood in non-running gear. They were allowed to follow him and detain him to ask questions or to hold him for the police. They were allowed to open carry the weapons they had. They stopped him and he attacked them and they defended themselves. It is an easy case.
People trespass onto construction sites to steal. Especially when they do it more than once.
We get it though. You dislike this. You're upset. This looks bad. It's not how you would run things. Trust me Karen. We ALL understand. And 90% of us thank god every day you and your "shoulds" and "oughts" aren't in charge.
syaigh wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 8:03 am
The only video I saw, that you linked, was a very short clip of him looking at a house under construction. No burglaries had been reported so not sure where you are getting that.
He was clearly looking for pizza and ping pong balls.
"Liberalism is arbitrarily selective in its choice of whose dignity to champion." Adrian Vermeule
Bennyonesix1 wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 12:37 am
The jogger (lol) had repeatedly been recorded robbing and searching a neighborhood house. There is film of him doing it just before the incident.
He was not jogging. He was wearing loosely tied timbs and cargo shorts. And carrying a hammer. And hauling ass through a residential neighborhood in which he didn't live. By law, the men were allowed to detain and question or hold him. He resisted. They defended themselves. Note: a gun was stolen a few days before.
The only video I saw, that you linked, was a very short clip of him looking at a house under construction. No burglaries had been reported so not sure where you are getting that.
Dont really get the clothing either. In that same video you linked, he appears to be in sneakers. Cant really tell about the shorts but he looks like a jogger to me in both that video and the one showing him being shot.
Those dudes could have waited for the cops or taken a picture of him. Though it says a lot about them assuming the running black man must be the one who stole their gun. If it was stolen at all. Armed confrontation was completely unnecessary. He was not accused of hurting anyone. Checking out a house under construction is a normal thing that nosy people do. The last house that was built in our neighborhood had all kinds of neighbors checking it out on the weekends. That DAs letter was petty and biased and basically excuses murder based on the testimony of the murderers.
Listen Karen. Your "should be" and your "ought to be" are irrelevant. The law in GA allows citizen's arrest. And it allows open carry. That dude had been video'd before in the house and seen snooping around other private property in the area. There had been thefts from that house and also a revolver taken from one of the men performing the citizen's arrest. He was in unlaced boots and cargo shorts and he was also carrying a hammer which he dropped. He was sprinting through the neighborhood in non-running gear. They were allowed to follow him and detain him to ask questions or to hold him for the police. They were allowed to open carry the weapons they had. They stopped him and he attacked them and they defended themselves. It is an easy case.
People trespass onto construction sites to steal. Especially when they do it more than once.
We get it though. You dislike this. You're upset. This looks bad. It's not how you would run things. Trust me Karen. We ALL understand. And 90% of us thank god every day you and your "shoulds" and "oughts" aren't in charge.
Listen Bubba. Folks from that neighborhood said that Ahmaud was a nice friendly guy who spoke to many of them. They also said that those two were racist assholes who said a lot of nasty things and were known troublemakers. You have no idea what happened. And then they straight up murdered a guy. Which means they are bad people. They set up a confrontation and the outcome is not surprising. They should not have been surprised. Makes me wonder if that was the intention.
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Where is your proof of anything you just said? Where are the other videos? Where is a video of him doing anything besides taking 3 steps? Where are these burglary reports?
Where is this proof of drugs and mental illness besides some conspiratorial whispers on the internetz?
You dont have any.
Its comforting for some people to think the guy had it coming. Maybe that is what comforts you.
I have coached a lot of kids that look like him. Good kids. Good students. Good athletes. And its scary how some people look at them when we were out in public. Fear and anger are a terrible thing when they are irrationally applied to people you dont know.
Miss Piggy wrote:Never eat more than you can lift.
You do understand that Crumps wrote that letter, right? Do you know who he is? I posted a thread he was involved in earlier.
None. Zero. None of the things you mentioned have any legal bearing on the case. It's all Legally irrelevant. All of it.
Again. We all know this disturbs you. And you think it "ought not to have happened" and that if you were in charge the rules would be different. I personally just do not care at all what you feel about things.
Bennyonesix1 wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 4:13 pm
You do understand that Crumps wrote that letter, right? Do you know who he is? I posted a thread he was involved in earlier.
None. Zero. None of the things you mentioned have any legal bearing on the case. It's all Legally irrelevant. All of it.
Again. We all know this disturbs you. And you think it "ought not to have happened" and that if you were in charge the rules would be different. I personally just do not care at all what you feel about things.
Boss, is this a good time for me to mention that had those two assholes not been carrying guns, none of this shit would have happened?
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It's not an interesting case from a legal perspective. It's more clear than the Trayvon case. The shooters did nothing wrong. The dead dude did everything wrong.
Your shoulds and oughts aren't interesting because they're bitch-made mainstream boilerplate bullshit. Everyone hears these things blasted into their face from the media. Your opinions on this subject are safe and boring and ignorant. You know this. You just think your feels are significant. They aren't, not on any level.
It's just a slam dunk legal shooting that's being ginned up by the usual suspects for the usual reasons: election year, deflect from corruption in DC and $$$$$ and notoriety.
Second verse same as the first.
The only surprising thing is how fucking fast the 2A advocates sold out this guy. Pathetic. Thank god I never put an ounce of faith in those paraphiliacs. Dumb fgts spend 12yrs screeching about Obama and his racial hijinks psyops and then cave instantly when one is directed at them. Hahahah. Losers.
