The couch thread

Shafpocalypse Now · Post by **Shafpocalypse Now** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:29 am

Tate and Rippetoe have apparently talked about this, and they aren't really in disagreement.

powerlifter54 · Post by **powerlifter54** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:51 am

Shaf wrote:Tate and Rippetoe have apparently talked about this, and they aren't really in disagreement.

Hard to make shoulders forward of hands placing load on mid back match with Tate's "Mistake #5: Not pulling the bar back

The deadlift is all about leverage and positioning. Visualize a teeter totter. What happens when the weight on one end is coming down? The other end goes up. So if your body is falling backward, what happens to the bar? It goes up! If your weight is falling forward the bar will want to stay down. So if you weigh 250 pounds and you can get your bodyweight to work for you, it would be much like taking 250 pounds off the bar. For many natural deadlifters this is a very instinctive action. For others it has to be trained.

Proper positioning is important here. If you're standing too close to the bar it'll have to come over the knee before you can pull back, thus going forward before it goes backward. If your shoulders are in front of the bar at the start of the pull, then the bar will want to go forward, not backward. If your back isn't arched the bar will also want to drift forward.

For some lifters, not being able to pull back can be a muscular thing. If you're like myself, I tend to end up with the weight on the front of my feet instead of my heels. This is a function of my quads trying to overpower the glutes and hamstrings, or the glutes and hamstrings not being able to finish the weight and shifting to the quads to complete the lift. What will happen many times is you'll begin shaking or miss the weight. To fix this problem you need to add in more glute ham raises, pull-throughs and reverse hypers. "

Main point is Oly influenced DL pulling is just wrong, but @fit is so badly swinging from Oly's nuts they can't explain to the clones that you pull a clean differently than a DL.

Even if you are morbidy obese.

Prediction: Mike Burgener will get the heave-ho in about a year. Casey can't hang with the @fit girls afterall...

LMAO!

Shafpocalypse Now · Post by **Shafpocalypse Now** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 1:15 pm

OK, Jack, just for shits and giggles, post some vids of where a deadlifter actually starts with his hands in front of his shoulders. I just think the "pulling back" thing is more of a feeling than an actual action.

Bolton, for example...his shoulders are always over the bar. Benedikt Magnusson too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgQ2M1PDP3g

So, you've got arguably, the two best deadlifters in the world, and they are starting with their shoulders over the bar.

Kind of throws a monkey wrench into that particular description of how Dave Tate says you should pull.

I agree with the OL jock swinging though.

je5333 · Post by **je5333** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 3:37 pm

Interesting topic. I am still somewhat of a novice when it comes to deadlift technique but I was taught to get your shins as close to the bar to set up for the pull. This would of course me shoulders would be forward of the bar.

Shafpocalypse Now · Post by **Shafpocalypse Now** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:23 pm

As an aside, Crossfit.com and kettlebelltraining.com were both mentioned in the latest Maxim.

As and aside to the aside, Maxim has gotten so shitty that you can't even consider it the same magazine compared to about a year ago. About half the thickness, and it's content that's gone away, not ads. This is what happens when you leave your core market behind and attempt to become another generic men's magazine.

TomFurman · Post by **TomFurman** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:57 pm

Years ago when I discovered it. I read it cover to cover because there were two serious articles, with the usual reviews, and overgrown boy bling. Now it is pretty much gaming reviews and girls who look 16 years old.

I had issues with Geri Ryan and Natasha Henstridge. Big difference.

Shapecharge · Post by **Shapecharge** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:04 pm

Shaf, you're off by about four or five years. I discovered Maxim when it first came out. The writing was top notch and as Tom said, there would always be a serious article or two. I almost immediately subscribed to it but it eventually faded into a shell of what it once was. Success breeds contempt for what got you there in the first place.

Shafpocalypse Now · Post by **Shafpocalypse Now** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:39 pm

Yeah, Shape...I've subscribed for about that long too. The latest iteration of the magazine is a fucking joke, and completely worthless, and I feel ripped off ever since the pole smoker metro guy took over the editorship.

aptdwler · Post by **aptdwler** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:10 pm

I've sub to maxim since the beginning. The british version use to be better, but I'm not sure any more. The magazine store closed here, and it's a pain to find stuff. BTW ebay is the place to get subscriptions. They cost so little, for a lot of magazines, even if you see on article per issue you like it's worth it.

I drop them around the local hospital when I'm done, on my way to work. I imagine the patient like finding something with some pics :)

http://fightraining.blogspot.com/

stosh · Post by **stosh** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:45 pm

Note that today is deadlift day. So far, nobody >500. One or two above 400.

Shafpocalypse Now · Post by **Shafpocalypse Now** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:11 pm

And another note:

-The big deadlifters were guys who had seriously deadlifted before they did XF.

-I can't decide which WOD comments are more pathetic, those dealing with the squat or those dealing with the press.

nafod · Post by **nafod** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:38 pm

elrodjr wrote:Note that today is deadlift day. So far, nobody >500. One or two above 400.

That's because they don't use gay deadlift suits.

stosh · Post by **stosh** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:20 am

One over 500.

nafod: Coach didn't have qualifiers for equipment use. He just said XF would get you over 500. Precious little data to support that.

Shafpocalypse Now · Post by **Shafpocalypse Now** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 3:16 am

Fuck deadlift suits, those fucking things don't work worth a shit.

nafod · Post by **nafod** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:04 pm

elrodjr wrote:nafod: Coach didn't have qualifiers for equipment use. He just said XF would get you over 500. Precious little data to support that.

Deadlift suits are still gay.

stosh · Post by **stosh** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:40 pm

You've never seen my deadlift leisure suit. It's swanky.

nafod · Post by **nafod** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:19 pm

elrodjr wrote:You've never seen my deadlift leisure suit. It's swanky.

This guy wears his to work. The future of style. Pulls 500 too.

GoDogGo! · Post by **GoDogGo!** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:39 pm

Wearing tights like that just makes it easier for the chimps to do their job.

GDG!

powerlifter54 · Post by **powerlifter54** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:44 am

DL suits mainly help sumo pullers, but this is about the Couch bichos!

Shafpocalypse Now · Post by **Shafpocalypse Now** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:17 am

Couch:

A low man.

For sure.

Abandoned by Wolves · Post by **Abandoned by Wolves** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 6:23 pm

Shaf wrote:As an aside, Crossfit.com and kettlebelltraining.com were both mentioned in the latest Maxim.

As and aside to the aside, Maxim has gotten so shitty that you can't even consider it the same magazine compared to about a year ago. About half the thickness, and it's content that's gone away, not ads. This is what happens when you leave your core market behind and attempt to become another generic men's magazine.

Same thing appears to have happened to Men's Fitness. A few years ago it could either be thought of as "Muscle And Fitness Lite" or "Men's Health for Ignorant 20 year olds". If the current issue is anything to go on (and Mahler's article notwithstanding) the staff seem to be determined to turn it into just another Lad Mag.

On the positive side, FHM is closing its doors with this month's issue. Nothing against Lad Mags (or journalist types who are just trying to earn a living) but Jesus, these things are stoopid. One less in the pack is a good thing.

Freki · Post by **Freki** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:46 am

http://www.crossfit.com/

The 1st Ever Crossfit Games

Crust Bucket · Post by **Crust Bucket** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 9:21 pm

Freki wrote:The 1st Ever Crossfit Games

Oh holy Jeezus H Christ on a long stick

powerlifter54 · Post by **powerlifter54** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:28 pm

Freki wrote:http://www.crossfit.com/

The 1st Ever Crossfit Games

AKA " The Road to 200K"

Possible Events:
1. Beating the Girls in Everything
2. Beating the Boyz in every lifting event.
3. Puking for volume and distance.
4. Excuse making.
5. Limping.
6. Oly lifts with broomsticks kata
7. Brandishing Absurd Theories
8. Side straddle hops for Internal Organ Shutdown.
9. @fit Biathalon: Kool Aid Drinking combined with #3.
10. Climbing a thirty-nine-and-a-half foot pole and running 3 cycles of 500 meter runs alternated with broomstick powercleans and iron crosses from the neighborhood kids swingsget while wearing firefighter kit and a WACO SWAT T-shirt.

Mickey O'neil · Post by **Mickey O'neil** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 10:29 pm

If that inked chick doing the walking lunges is going to be there I'm there. She is hawt!