The couch thread

[Fat Cat]

I'm going to need to see some tits before this information ever changes hands.

[syaigh]

for evidence all you need are examples of the training of truly competitive athletes. they aren't high intensity all the time. i wonder why? could it be because only dumbfucks train that way?

by the way, show us your tits.

Anecdotal evidence doesn't fly in academic circles with real scientists.

Are you flirting with me again?

[dead man walking]

treat each olympian/professional as a single data point, and 100% of the data points avoid training at a high intensity all the time.

viola, science!

viola, tits?

[Fat Cat]

for evidence all you need are examples of the training of truly competitive athletes. they aren't high intensity all the time. i wonder why? could it be because only dumbfucks train that way?

by the way, show us your tits.

Anecdotal evidence doesn't fly in academic circles with real scientists.

Are you flirting with me again?

Why are there words where a picture of your breasts should be?

[Fat Cat]

treat each olympian/professional as a single data point, and 100% of the data points avoid training at a high intensity all the time.

viola, science!

viola, tits?

Viola? Voila!

[syaigh]

treat each olympian/professional as a single data point, and 100% of the data points avoid training at a high intensity all the time.

viola, science!

viola, tits?

Viola



Voila! (much nicer than mine)



Do those satisfy the Kitty-cat as well?

[The Real Rant]

And Rant, you're an asshole for reposting something you claim to find so offensive. Grow up. You do know how Google works, don't you?

The men are talking here honey. Don't interrupt.

[syaigh]

And Rant, you're an asshole for reposting something you claim to find so offensive. Grow up. You do know how Google works, don't you?

The men are talking here honey. Don't interrupt.

My apologies. I thought you were a thirteen year old girl with daddy issues.

[dead man walking]

just do like the x-fit guys--topless and waxed.

no body doubles.

[The Real Rant]

And Rant, you're an asshole for reposting something you claim to find so offensive. Grow up. You do know how Google works, don't you?

The men are talking here honey. Don't interrupt.

My apologies. I thought you were a thirteen year old girl with daddy issues.

Don't trifle with me woman.

[Fat Cat]

LOL @ rant getting bullied by some random bird.

[Jag Panzer]

All of it, please.

Well, let me scale it down a bit.

Specifically, I've been trying to look for data to support the limited use of high intensity training. I've read a bunch of Seiler's work and I have a lot of PDF's supporting high intensity training in limited amounts. Most of the articles on high intensity training that I've found are either talking about athletes or senior citizens. I want to have the data to back up the many assertions I've read (by Seiler, for one) recommending limiting the number of high intensity training sessions to no more than twice per week or in certain mesocycles.

Additionally, most articles I've found on overtraining associate it with chronic fatigue. I am more interested in the CNS fatigue, hormonal response and overuse syndrome.

So, physiological and physical damage of long-term high intensity, high frequency training. Is there a threshold for repetitions, duration, etc.

Thank you for any leads or articles you can share, I really appreciate it.

If you want an argument applied to athletes, then your best bet is to score a copy of Supertraining and Science and Practice by Zatsiorsky. That's where the real money is as far as organization and planning of training and the science behind it.

If you want accessible and reviewable Western science, your options are a lot more limited in that there's less to draw on, but there's still plenty to look at.

For CNS/motor fatigue, search for work by a guy named Simon Gandevia. He's behind the majority of that work in the last 10 odd years.

Tim Noakes has done a lot of work on the "central governor" idea of fatigue, which is related.

Also worth a look would be work done by Pendlay, Hartman and Kilgore regarding long-term shifts in testosterone:cortisol ratio as a marker of fatigue, and I think Ahtiainen and Hakkinen have some papers out along those lines. There's also the Cytokine Hypothesis of Overtraining which is another good search string on Pubmed.

The material you found on chronic fatigue is related to this in a roundabout way, in that it's more of a long-term "crash" that results from too much acute over-work. Changes in neural output start at the hypothalamus, in response to various fatigue and damage signals received from the body, and it filters on down from there.

Gandevia and Noakes are going to be your best bet as far as the acute central fatigue symptoms.

[syaigh]

All of it, please.

If you want an argument applied to athletes, then your best bet is to score a copy of Supertraining and Science and Practice by Zatsiorsky. That's where the real money is as far as organization and planning of training and the science behind it.

If you want accessible and reviewable Western science, your options are a lot more limited in that there's less to draw on, but there's still plenty to look at.

For CNS/motor fatigue, search for work by a guy named Simon Gandevia. He's behind the majority of that work in the last 10 odd years.

Tim Noakes has done a lot of work on the "central governor" idea of fatigue, which is related.

Also worth a look would be work done by Pendlay, Hartman and Kilgore regarding long-term shifts in testosterone:cortisol ratio as a marker of fatigue, and I think Ahtiainen and Hakkinen have some papers out along those lines. There's also the Cytokine Hypothesis of Overtraining which is another good search string on Pubmed.

The material you found on chronic fatigue is related to this in a roundabout way, in that it's more of a long-term "crash" that results from too much acute over-work. Changes in neural output start at the hypothalamus, in response to various fatigue and damage signals received from the body, and it filters on down from there.

Gandevia and Noakes are going to be your best bet as far as the acute central fatigue symptoms.

Thank you. This is exactly what I'm looking for, I really appreciate you taking the time to share this with me.

[Schlegel]

Supertraining is too much to ask of them, but all former @fitters should sit down and read Zatsiorsky so they can realize just how much they've been lied to.

[friedquads]

+1 on anything from Noakes. Try and get the book "The Lore of Running" by Noakes. It has a good amount of shit that Jag Panzer mentioned and if I recall, also has some related topic about skin cancer.

Plus, you can hit him up by email as well. I did when I wanted to know whether I'd be able to continue participating in ultramarathons if I donated a kidney to my cousin who was experiencing a complication from his last transplant and Noakes gave me a straight answer with resources that I wouldn't have been able to find on my own. PM me if you want his address.

[syaigh]

Supertraining is too much to ask of them, but all former @fitters should sit down and read Zatsiorsky so they can realize just how much they've been lied to.

+1 on anything from Noakes. Try and get the book "The Lore of Running" by Noakes. It has a good amount of shit that Jag Panzer mentioned and if I recall, also has some related topic about skin cancer.

Plus, you can hit him up by email as well. I did when I wanted to know whether I'd be able to continue participating in ultramarathons if I donated a kidney to my cousin who was experiencing a complication from his last transplant and Noakes gave me a straight answer with resources that I wouldn't have been able to find on my own. PM me if you want his address.

Thanks guys, I appreciate the help.

[snatch grip]

just a quickie...

[Sassenach]

I was *just* about to post that.

[Beelzebub]

Is it Friday yet you fucking moron?

I have little to look forward to during the week. And Andro Friday is what I look forward to. Stop fucking with my serenity.

And @fit foosball is too easy. Get creative and actually search some sites for some new unseen content you lazy fuck.

[WildGorillaMan]

I was *just* about to post that.

They're bot dreamy, but remember, this week's Andro Friday is both a sombre tribute to a fallen Andro Broad as well as a jubilatious festival of joyous Andro Broad appreciation, so we need to pull out all the stops on this one.

[D'Aquisto]

Friday

Only @fit can turn the glow of pregnancy into gristle


Clueless, and only a mile from the water.

[WildGorillaMan]

It's an Andro Friday party, and everyone's invited:










No baby, leave the socks on.






Mmm...hamhocks...



What monkeys like to see:



more of what monkeys like to see:



"What has two thumbs and swings both ways? THIS GIRL!"



Orange Coast @fit wants to be in Andro Friday so hard it's kind of sad, but here you go girls:


















































Too much information there, Broom Hilda












More tasteful to have these lining your driveway than those little negro jockey statues:

































http://www.albanycrossfit.com/.a/6a00e3 ... 742970b-pi


http://www.albanycrossfit.com/.a/6a00e3 ... 45c970c-pi


http://gopractice.typepad.com/.a/6a0105 ... a61970c-pi


I didn't think they'd need to strengthen the muscles that pull their legs apart, but there you go.
http://gopractice.typepad.com/.a/6a0105 ... fdc970c-pi

[WildGorillaMan]

This part of an email from an insider gave me a lulz:

I know one major @fit site that posts girls later in the week to get them
on Andro Friday.

It's good to be king.

[Dan Martin]

Good work my friend, good work.

[powerlifter54]

It's an Andro Friday party, and everyone's invited:


Orange Coast @fit wants to be in Andro Friday so hard it's kind of sad, but here you go girls:

Winner and soon to be a huge financial contributor to her reconstructive dentist's outdoor kitchen fund.

Every FRIDAY is an ANDROFRIDAY!