Thoughts on Handguns?

[Herv100]

I could never let myself spend WC money on a handgun. Maybe a Scar-17 or a GA Precision Gladius. Ok, maybe a Colt Python...

[milosz]

A SCAR or similar would be fun but only if I owned enough rural land to have a long-range rifle setup that didn't require a three-day weekend to enjoy.

[milosz]

Handguns, if nothing else, pop into an indoor range and shoot a box or two if I can't make it to the tactical range with steel 45 minutes away.

[Herv100]

This wealty guy I know has freakin multiple WCs, unfired pythons, hi-powers, HK 91s, etc. Bought most of them other than the Wilsons back when they cost a fraction of what they do now. He has a Wilson with grips made from the ivory of the elephant from the movie Katari, signed by John Wayne. Has some grips made from a meteor on order that he's going to put on another Wilson. Unreal.

[Herv100]

HK VP9 is $449 at PSA for the weekend.

[Herv100]

Nevermind. Sold out I think

[Boris]

I don't know if this has been covered, but if you are at a traditional indoor range, what are some drills you do? I can't exactly do El Presidente and fast draw drills where I usually shoot, but if you have any single target/distance drills, I'd like to hear them.

[Shafpocalypse Now]

There are a few guys on my FB feed who film their shooting sessions, and they are painful to watch.

[Boris]

If I can help it, you'll never see anything of me w. a firearm online ever.

[Shapecharge]

I went to Cabela's yesterday afternoon and the gun area was packed. Line was 30+ deep for the paperwork. Did see plenty of ammo available surprisingly. .45/9mm was a little high and .22 ammo was somewhat plentiful. I don't know if Trump's election has had anything to do with this or just coincidence. I did have a gun store owner tell me that a lot of guys got themselves in a bind buying shit with the expectation that Hillary would win and they'd profit by selling. I heard a secondhand story about a guy losing his ass on a shitload of magazines he bought at 50.00+ only to see the price drop to 30.00.

[johno]

I assembled an AR this year and the prices seemed reasonable. For a Pres. Hillary to do more than posture, she would have needed a substantial sweep of Congress. As things played out, not so much. And the NRA helped itself a bit by endorsing Trump early.

I think there was some panic buying & hoarding. I'm looking forward to plentiful .22 ammo...gonna to take the wife & daughter to the range after the Holidays.

I am a little puzzled why Cabela's would be packed now, except maybe just Christmas buying.

[Boris]

.22 has been available for the past 4 months or so around here. I have no idea why. I think I commented in the AR15 thread that now that that a Republican is going to be in office, maybe we'll see it on the shelves for a while.

[tough old man]

Indoor range practice is simple.
1. Work on proper sight alignment / sight picture
2. Work on proper trigger control
3. Blast away as fast as you can to look badass

[Shapecharge]

Indoor range practice is simple.
1. Work on proper sight alignment / sight picture
2. Work on proper trigger control
3. Blast away as fast as you can to look badass

4. Strive to achieve the "smiley face" that Riggs did in the first "Lethal Weapon" installment. Super bonus if you can rock that same hair style.

[milosz]

There has been a shit-ton of speculation for eight years and it went into overdrive this year. Friend who works at the distributor said they had a store that ordered an entire truck full of PMags the week before the election refused delivery the week after - got that store's account revoked, from what I hear. They were running buy 10 get 1 free wholesale AR offers so stores were buying dozens to get the freebies.

Highly questionable about what was 'good' for the industry - there was never a threat of any kind of ban or anything so prolonged panic buying was ultimately good for the industry (and the NRA).

What will be fascinating is where the GOP in control goes - is their dedication to the gun wing strong enough to get silencers pulled from the NFA, re-opening of the automatic weapon registry, the end of the NFA in general?

I'm not sure it will be everything gun nuts want and I'm not sure how they'll explain it - they can't exactly blame anyone but the GOP if there's no positive movement on guns.

[johno]

there was never a threat of any kind of ban or anything

Not unless you understand that "Australian-style Gun Control" is confiscation. Hillary favored that. Don't make me break out a YouTube video to prove it.

As things played out, the NRA is stronger, having given Trump early endorsement. And stronger in Congress and in state legislatures also.

[Grandpa's Spells]

A Democratic president going for gun control is going to be an aw shucks good ol boy like Bubba. Remote chance of a Biden. Hillary would have never done it.

[Shafpocalypse Now]

No chance of Australian style confiscation here. Period

[Boris]

No chance of Australian style confiscation here. Period

Yeah, exactly.

Thank you Tough Old Man and Shapechange. I'll give the smiley face a try... past 10 yards is probably not going to be anything resembling anything...

[johno]

Hillary's imposing gun confiscation wasn't my point. It was to refute that there was "no threat of a ban."
Also, it illustrates she was clearly hostile to gun ownership, and would sign any anti-gun legislation that her Congress could pass.
AND that her Supreme Court nominees would probably overturn the Heller decision. That Hillary-fear was a paranoid delusion of the NRA is bullshit.

As for what pro-gun laws Trump & Congress could pass, carry permit reciprocity or a national carry license would be a Home Run. Silencers and automatic weapons would be 95% symbolic, and affect very few gun owners.

[bennyonesix]

I worry national carry is a trap. Gun owners have more control over local govs.

Reciprocity would be my choice.

[milosz]

there was never a threat of any kind of ban or anything

Not unless you understand that "Australian-style Gun Control" is confiscation. Hillary favored that. Don't make me break out a YouTube video to prove it.

Diane Feinstein wants a British-style ban. So what? I want a billion dollars and Heidi Klum as my sex slave, which is equally likely to happen.

Even if it wasn't current USSC case law that the 2nd guarantees an individual right, even if the GOP wouldn't have had the House under Clinton, even if the Democrats had gotten 52 seats... not even a majority of those 52 would support any real kind of ban. A significant number wouldn't even strongly support something like a new AWB. No way in hell any major gun legislation gets through a Senate that hasn't gone nuclear on cloture and filibusters.

The NRA has made an industry out of fearmongering to drive memberships and benefit the manufacturers who pay a significant percentage of their income.

Now that there's no one to blame and no panic-buying, we'll see what happens. I don't think the GOP as a whole is as absolutist pro-gun as they've maintained under Obama and various other times when they couldn't enact much in the way of legislation. NFA items will be the first test case - do silencers get sold OTC like a regular firearm? Personally, I hope so but I wouldn't bet on it happening.

[johno]

Not unless you understand that "Australian-style Gun Control" is confiscation. Hillary favored that. Don't make me break out a YouTube video to prove it.

Diane Feinstein wants a British-style ban. So what? I want a billion dollars and Heidi Klum as my sex slave, which is equally likely to happen.

Nobody forced Hillary to speak up for gun control and to fan gun owners' fears, rational and irrational. She did it to pander to her base. No whining about the mean old NRA.

[bennyonesix]

The NRA is a shakedown racket that doesn't care much at all about gun rights and the dems and gop estab would ban guns if they could. They can't for one reason, white men are hardcore about it and will do whatever it takes to preserve it.

[milosz]

What benny said, for possibly the first and last time ever.

Nobody forced Hillary to speak up for gun control and to fan gun owners' fears, rational and irrational.

This is a pretty sweet combo of loaded question and non-sequitur. You are literally the person who brought up Hillary in response to the complete impossibility of a ban being enacted and the only one interested, I don't really have anything to say about her or her position so... good luck with all that.

What I said was: panic-buying proceeded for eight years unabated without any good cause to do so. There will be major effects now - not like that stockpile of PMAGs is going to crap out any time soon or Glocks will suddenly start melting from the intense heat of the sun.

I said nothing about Hillary or either party or... well, whatever you seem to think I said. You should read more carefully, perhaps.

No whining about the mean old NRA.

What about the NRA? It's fairly self-evident at this point that they don't exist to foster anything positive for members unto themselves, they're a mouthpiece and lobbying group for the firearms industry, to the detriment in some instances of gun owners. By constantly relying on scare tactics to drum up memberships (and sales), the process of a shrinking base of gun owners (lots of guns, relatively few gun owners in this country - the people who do just happen to own a large number), you shrink the number of voters and citizens comfortable with and supportive of gun rights.

In my experience, adult attitude toward guns is almost entirely developed in childhood - if you were around them for hunting or target shooting, you rightfully see them as no big deal - you may not be an active shooter or hunter yourself but your response isn't emotional. If you weren't around them as a kid (or if they were a bad experience), they're terrifying and your visceral/emotional response to guns is terrible.

How does that work over time, if fewer people in each generation have guns?