Trumpling the Truth

[nafod]

Hillary = kleptocrat. Now what is your point?

My point is that is a fabrication and completely untrue.
What is your point?

I've never heard a good defense that the Clinton's aren't at least grifters extraordinaire or full blown kleptocrats. Perhaps you have one?

klep·to·crat
ˈkleptəˌkrat/
noun
a ruler who uses political power to steal his or her country's resources.

I'm not seeing where the Clintons specially stole from the country's coffers. Now if you had a hotel and steered contracts that way, that'd be a different thing.

[dead man walking]

or posted a glowing review of your resort on the state dept website

[Herv100]

Is there anyone here who is still hoo-rahing Trump or the republican majorities of Congress and the Senate now? Because this looks like the beginnings of a kleptocracy

LOL. Killing TPP and Gorsuch alone make the first 100 days successful.

When you add in increased jobs, lowest unemployment in 10 years, lowest illegal immigration in 17 years, reducing incoming refugees, already beginning extensive cutting of regulations on small business, proposed lower corporate tax and double the deduction for families, lowered national debt 70-100 billion already, ended regime change objective in Syria, China buying US coal instead of North Korean, "why should US tax payers care about Ukraine?" -Tillerson, DOW jones up, ended retarded Obama energy policy that would eventually see your electric bill higher than your health insurance and raise the cost of goods, investigating corruption of previous administration, large cuts to the federal govt, etc it could be seen as successful for such a short amount of time.

None of that seems like a kleptocracy except to a lazy transgender commie.

I would fully expect those good things that Trump has done to trigger you, snowflake.

Here is another thing to trigger you

[Herv100]

Propaganda is a helluva drug.

Indeed

[JimZipCode]

I've never heard a good defense that the Clinton's aren't at least grifters extraordinaire or full blown kleptocrats.

I've never heard a credible & specific charge that merited a defense. Do you have one, or is this just more name-calling?

[johno]

All these business-savvy organizations lined up to hear Hillary dispense wisdom, pre-election. But when she offered her wisdom free to voters during her campaign, she had trouble filling venues. Stupid voters.



The intellectually honest will look at Hillary's pre-election vs. post-election speaking fee income* and conclude that the difference is the political influence she had been peddling but can no longer sell.

All she's good for now is pumping excuses to her stunned and bitter minions.





*Or lack.

[Grandpa's Spells]

It seems weird to talk about paid speeches, which creates the appearance of impropriety, as if it's worse than actual impropriety. There was a whole lot of talk about Goldman Sachs and Hillary until Trump filled half his sr. administration with GS people.

[JimZipCode]

All these business-savvy organizations lined up to hear Hillary dispense wisdom, pre-election. But when she offered her wisdom free to voters during her campaign, she had trouble filling venues. Stupid voters.

Still haven't seen a credible or specific charge of "theft". Perhaps you have one?

Or did you mean "theft" sort of ironically, the way we say someone is "stealing their salary" if they receive money and then give forth shitty effort? I get it, I dunno that Hillary is that riveting a speaker. But scroll up to Nafod's post for the definition of "kleptocracy". It's different from this.


Anyway:

http://www.celebrityspeakersbureau.com/ ... -w-bush-2/
TO WORK WITH GEORGE W. BUSH: Political Speaker George W. Bush can be hired for endorsements and events in roles such as public speaker, autograph signings, SMT’S, and public relation campaigns.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/blogs/ticket ... 57129.html
Bush spokesman David Sherzer tells iWatch News that Bush has earned at least $15 million for nearly 140 paid speeches since he left office in Jan. 2009.

So W made that $15 mil in less than 2-1/2 years.

http://www.harrywalker.com/speakers/dick-cheney
Inquire about availability & fees for Dick Cheney

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/washingt ... 24551590#1
Topping the list by a longshot is billionaire birther and infamous reality-TV host Donald Trump. “The Donald earned a staggering $1.5 million per speech at The Learning Annex’s ‘real estate wealth expos’ in 2006 and 2007,” according to Forbes. “Trump appeared at 17 seminars and collected this fee for each one.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pos ... r-circuit/
Rudy Giuliani, former New York City mayor -- $270,000
When he was still campaigning for the U.S. presidency in 2007, Giuliani submitted a financial disclosure report that listed a total $9.2 million earned for public speaking engagements in 13 months. According to MSN, his highest-paid event was at a private equity firm, Sage Capital Group, in 2005.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities ... RIPn62Lq1O
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, a multimillionaire who recently joked about being unemployed, earned more than $362,000 in speaking fees over a year, financial disclosure forms released this afternoon show.

But yeah, Hillary's conduct was outrageous. I see that.

[nafod]

All these business-savvy organizations lined up to hear Hillary dispense wisdom, pre-election.

That's not being a kleptocrat.

[dead man walking]

All these business-savvy organizations lined up to hear Hillary dispense wisdom, pre-election.

That's not being a kleptocrat.

whereas the kushner family is currently selling permanent residency in the u.s. to the chinese, making sure to highlight jared and his position in the sales pitch.

that's today's news about the kleptocracy.

[DrDonkeyLove]

I've never heard a good defense that the Clinton's aren't at least grifters extraordinaire or full blown kleptocrats.

I've never heard a credible & specific charge that merited a defense. Do you have one, or is this just more name-calling?

This isn't a charge. If a legal charge and conviction is the standard, the Clinton's are clean.

Bill's $500K speech to the Russians while Hillary contributed her thumb's up to the Uranium One deal that put 20% of our uranium capacity into Vlad's control has a kleptocratic tint to it. In Bill's defense, he spoke for a whole hour.

The fact that big shots in the Uranium One deal decided to serve the world by putting over $100,000,000 into Clinton's charities is a convenient coincidence.

Tony Podesta, the brother of Hillary's campaign manager, squeezing an additional couple hundred thousand out of the Russians for his lobbying skills could trigger suspicion in a paranoid mind too.

But, they've never been convicted of anything. Neither has Trump. Public servants each and every one.

[johno]

Trump - made his fortune in business and, along the way, bought politicians.

Clinton - made her fortune in politics, and, along the way, sold her influence to business.

[riotboo]

Trump just fired James Comey

[Thud]

And people here thought Obama had imperial pretensions.

Special prosecutor mandatory now.

[Herv100]

LOL

[DrDonkeyLove]

I don't know how to feel about this.
• Comey fucked Hillary out of the Presidency, so good riddance?
• Comey fucked America because he let Hillary skate on her private internet server shenanigans, so good riddance?
• Trump did the firing so it must be wrong and Comey is suffering a great injustice, so #resist?

FWIW he seemed to enjoy the limelight too much. #hardlymatters

[Thud]

Or how about Trump's equally awkward firings of Preet Bharara and Sally Yates, along with the Nunes fiasco with him cancelling hearings, and now firing Comey. This isn't about Comey and emails, the guy is just trying to obstruct any and all who are on the case.

[johno]

But yeah, Hillary's conduct was outrageous. I see that.

You're conflating politicians retired from or out of office, with the person who had a lock on the Presidential nomination and, up until last November, had a lock on the Presidency. Can you see the difference?

[Herv100]

But yeah, Hillary's conduct was outrageous. I see that.

Are you so stupid as to conflate politicians retired from or out of office, with the person who had a lock on the Presidential nomination and, up until last November, had a lock on the Presidency?

Didn't the state dept "misplace" $6B under Hillary? LMAO

[Herv100]

I hope Trump checked with the judges in Hawaii before shitcanning Comey

[dead man walking]

another kleptocrat: carl icahn (team trump)

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/09/ethics-l ... flict.html

[johno]

klep·to·crat
ˈkleptəˌkrat/
noun
a ruler who uses political power to steal his or her country's resources.

I'm not seeing where the Clintons specially stole from the country's coffers. Now if you had a hotel and steered contracts that way, that'd be a different thing.

I'm not aware of any Trump "steering." But that wouldn't fit your definition of "kleptocrat" either, because it's not "stealing his country's resources."

Neither would any of the other examples in this thread of Trump's "kleptocracy."

But Hillary's involvement with Uranium One and the sale of access to US uranium capacity to the Russians might meet the definition, if you stretch.

[Herv100]

Anti-bank Guy's wife investigated for bank fraud. LOL

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/0 ... /22075766/

[powerlifter54]

Outstanding

[The Ginger Beard Man]

So 12 pages of fingerpointing and we can finally agree that they're all thieves. Right?