The couch thread

Shafpocalypse Now · Post by **Shafpocalypse Now** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 4:50 pm

I found out today that my account on the Crossfit forums has been suspended.

I find that hilarious. They have basically suspended my account for supporting Dan John. This doesn't take into account the fact that the vast majority of my posts have been useful in nature. I've been a member since 2002. The post that got me suspended was teh one I made was the one involving comparing Dan John vs Crossfit via google trends.

That's funny too. Since the other posts of mine in Pukie's Bucket were of much graver consequence.

Crossfit continues the time honored tradition of surrounding itself with yes-men and banning those who might ask hard questions. Glassman has shown himself to be concerned with money, not the community. Which is what everyone suspected all along.

Fat Cat · Post by **Fat Cat** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 5:03 pm

Glassman is a fragile little Nazi.

Shafpocalypse Now · Post by **Shafpocalypse Now** » Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:19 pm

And, I'd like to state that every concept behind Crossfit has been in the public domain for years.

Just because XF uses circuit training, olympic lifting, gymnastics, the Zone Diet, rope climbing, and calisthenics, and combinations thereof, doesn't mean that those things fall under any sort of Intellectual Property definition.

Even the combinations that Glassman claims are his brainchildren alone (heavy lift + hard run) has been done by others long before him.

And, Ross Enamait does XF better than XF.

Hank Scorpio · Post by **Hank Scorpio** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:31 am

Shaf wrote:I found out today that my account on the Crossfit forums has been suspended.

This is a victory for the foulmouthed ignorant in the War on X-fetishistic Fascism.

I had thought to use the plural of "ignoramus," but google revealed to me that:

Hartman's Law wrote:...ignoramus is not a Latin noun. It's the first person plural present indicative of the verb ignoro, and it means "we do not know" or "we take no notice of".

We can not allow fake Latin plurals on IGx.

judobrian · Post by **judobrian** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:58 pm

The third person plural, "they do not know", is simply ignorant.

mrzero · Post by **mrzero** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 1:40 pm

I saw a woman in the supermarket this morning with a necklace of Jesus holding on to the two ends of the chain (no cross behind him). Someone will make a MINT if they can get coach to put those on his website.

GoDogGo! · Post by **GoDogGo!** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:12 pm

mrzero wrote:I saw a woman in the supermarket this morning with a necklace of Jesus holding on to the two ends of the chain (no cross behind him). Someone will make a MINT if they can get coach to put those on his website.

Um, no cross behind him? No horn before him?

GDG!

mrzero · Post by **mrzero** » Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:51 pm

Just hanging there by his hands, like a poor performer at a gymnastics meet.

powerlifter54 · Post by **powerlifter54** » Sat Sep 16, 2006 6:46 pm

World-Class Fitness
in 100 Words from the Couch:
Eat meat and vegetables, nuts and seeds, some fruit, little starch and no sugar. Keep intake to levels that will support exercise but not body fat. Practice and train major lifts: Deadlift, clean, squat, presses, C&J, and snatch. Similarly, master the basics of gymnastics: pull-ups, dips, rope climb, push-ups, sit-ups, presses to handstand, pirouettes, flips, splits, and holds. Bike, run, swim, row, etc, hard and fast. Five or six days per week mix these elements in as many combinations and patterns as creativity will allow. Routine is the enemy. Keep workouts short and intense. Regularly learn and play new sports.

Only two places Couch and i disagree, pirouettes and that any of this will make you able to DL 750, or even 570.

stosh · Post by **stosh** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:14 pm

Surely this has been posted somewhere within this thread, but...did you see the 5k run times from one of last week's WODs? I mean it's no shit that the 750 DL is elusive over there, but I woulda thunk that 5k times would be decent with pukie practice. Not so. Few under 20, most around 24 or so.

Rif · Post by **Rif** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 12:40 pm

now if couch would just take his own advices.

mrzero · Post by **mrzero** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 1:04 pm

41k $\:D/$

bill fox · Post by **bill fox** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:27 pm

Rif wrote:now if couch would just take his own advices.

When I read this:

"Eat meat and vegetables, nuts and seeds, some fruit, little starch and no sugar. Keep intake to levels that will support exercise but not body fat."

I thought exactly that. Pavel is willing to compete in the DL even though his DL isn't wasn't what it was. We won't even talk about Ross, Cotter, Martone et al. It's one thing if you're coaching elite athletes to say "Of course I can't do what they do, and I don't have to" But if you're entire gig is based on "this is how you can be pretty elite, and do everyone's stuff as good or better then they do, on 30m a day", what's the deal?

I would love, just once, to see this discussed there, without intervention by the Pitt. Not because of some wierd personal shit, but because as you, and Jack and Pavel, and Dan John and Mark Twight and me and everyone else knows, it's REALLY HARD to REALLY stay up there, year after year, despite injuries and jobs and bullshit.

So seeing someone who, as far as has ever been demonstrated or seen to my knowledge, diss guys that are REALLY STAYING HARD year after year is complete bullshit.

DBID · Post by **DBID** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 2:52 pm

FWIW, the fact that Glassman doesn't train is not germain to the point, which is that crossfit is stupid and doesn't work.

I mean really, so what if he doesn't do crossfit? Maybe he realizes how pointless it is for true, elite athletes like me and him.

GoDogGo! · Post by **GoDogGo!** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 3:24 pm

Doughboy wrote: I mean really, so what if he doesn't do crossfit? Maybe he realizes how pointless it is for true, elite athletes like me and him.

Oh, but remember that he does, only it's secret developmental stuff that he doesn't release to the members because it isn't tested enough yet. Thus, the gut.

GDG!

Ross Hunt · Post by **Ross Hunt** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:08 pm

bill fox wrote:
Rif wrote:now if couch would just take his own advices.
... guys that are REALLY STAYING HARD year after year...

And you call CrossFit an exercise cult?

'Staying Hard, 360 24/7: Rengade Skills for Rugged Studs by Bill Fox.'

In selected San Francisco outlets this Christmas. Should give the Powerlifting Bears some stiff competition.

DBID · Post by **DBID** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 4:13 pm

Bill's got that ST vibe going...

GoDogGo! · Post by **GoDogGo!** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 5:18 pm

Ross Hunt wrote:
bill fox wrote:
Rif wrote:now if couch would just take his own advices.
... guys that are REALLY STAYING HARD year after year...
And you call CrossFit an exercise cult?

'Staying Hard, 360 24/7: Rengade Skills for Rugged Studs by Bill Fox.'

In selected San Francisco outlets this Christmas. Should give the Powerlifting Bears some stiff competition.

I think the preferred spelling is "Renegayde."

gdg

bill fox · Post by **bill fox** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:05 pm

Ross Hunt wrote:
bill fox wrote:
Rif wrote:now if couch would just take his own advices.
... guys that are REALLY STAYING HARD year after year...
And you call CrossFit an exercise cult?

'Staying Hard, 360 24/7: Rengade Skills for Rugged Studs by Bill Fox.'

In selected San Francisco outlets this Christmas. Should give the Powerlifting Bears some stiff competition.

Hey Ross

Go fuck yourself. Last time I checked I've been practicing law for 17 years not selling a fitness plan. I'm a cult of one.

Bill

DBID · Post by **DBID** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:07 pm

bill fox wrote: Hey Ross

Go fuck yourself. Last time I checked I've been practicing law for 17 years not selling a fitness plan. I'm a clut of one.

Bill

LOL! Priceless, Counselor.

bill fox · Post by **bill fox** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:18 pm

Damn

You are up my ass. I must smell better then Rob. I corrected that in about 5 seconds, but not fast enough for the queen of the internets.

DBID · Post by **DBID** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 7:28 pm

bill fox wrote:Damn

You are up my ass. I must smell better then Rob. I corrected that in about 5 seconds, but not fast enough for the queen of the internets.

That's right, cupcake.

I am all up in your bidness.

Ross Hunt · Post by **Ross Hunt** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:16 pm

bill fox wrote:
Ross Hunt wrote:
bill fox wrote:
Rif wrote:now if couch would just take his own advices.
... guys that are REALLY STAYING HARD year after year...
And you call CrossFit an exercise cult?

'Staying Hard, 360 24/7: Rengade Skills for Rugged Studs by Bill Fox.'

In selected San Francisco outlets this Christmas. Should give the Powerlifting Bears some stiff competition.
Hey Ross

Go fuck yourself. Last time I checked I've been practicing law for 17 years not selling a fitness plan. I'm a cult of one.

Bill

I'm not sayin' that you pull Tyler Durden all-nighters stirring up the kool-aid. All I was trying to get at is that if CrossFit sounds too much like exercise evangelism to you, well, lots of other decent fitness campaigns sound dicey in their own way.

'Hard Style.' That sounds a little wierd. And by wierd I mean strange. And by strange I mean suspicious. And by suspicious I mean suspect. And by suspect I mean queerer than a football bat.

This is not a knock on Pavel and his stuff; it seems to me that the contrast between his marketing and the great usefulness of some of the things he has produced testifies to the fact that you need to look past appearances to results.

Or something like that. C'mon, 'STAY HARD'? You were asking for it.

ultracool · Post by **ultracool** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 11:25 pm

Ross:

Iâ€™m not the final word on this, but the problem is couch says way too many wacky, imprecise, wrong, or gratuitous things that arenâ€™t contained in obvious Dan Kennedy wacky Copywriting-Advertisements. Heâ€™s always messing around in what typically are more serious and journalistic looking venues.

DD has an advertising shtick, but Pavel and especially Maxwell have clearly separated themselves from it to a large or small degree.

From my point of view there is a big difference between the way crossfit and pavel-DD operate in this realm.

powerlifter54 · Post by **powerlifter54** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:33 am

bill fox wrote:When I read this:

"Eat meat and vegetables, nuts and seeds, some fruit, little starch and no sugar. Keep intake to levels that will support exercise but not body fat."

I thought exactly that. Pavel is willing to compete in the DL even though his DL isn't wasn't what it was. We won't even talk about Ross, Cotter, Martone et al. It's one thing if you're coaching elite athletes to say "Of course I can't do what they do, and I don't have to" But if you're entire gig is based on "this is how you can be pretty elite, and do everyone's stuff as good or better then they do, on 30m a day", what's the deal?

I would love, just once, to see this discussed there, without intervention by the Pitt. Not because of some wierd personal shit, but because as you, and Jack and Pavel, and Dan John and Mark Twight and me and everyone else knows, it's REALLY HARD to REALLY stay up there, year after year, despite injuries and jobs and bullshit.

So seeing someone who, as far as has ever been demonstrated or seen to my knowledge, diss guys that are REALLY STAYING HARD year after year is complete bullshit.

Well, i will jump in here and say 30M a day is a great investment in your health, and 30M will let you maintain a mundane level of fitness. Elite? Elite is a job. You have to be dedicated to the point of zealotry. You have to give things up. You have to be willing to walk up the line of getting seriously hurt, and then walk it like a highwire. You have to have a burning desire to be very, very good at your skill area, and forsake most others. The love of winning has to overide the fear of getting embarrased.I remember reading when Bruce Jenner won the Decathalon, the woman's javelin gold medal winner threw the Javelin further than Bruce. When we had dinner after the WF seminar, sitting with Cotter, Maxwell, Coach Burgener, the WF assistant S+C coaches, and some HS FB coaches, it dawned on me every one of us was intensely dedicated to his individual craft, but none of use could last a minute in anybody else's realm. Specificity.

If any @fitter thinks they can last with any of the above folks in their craft they are insane. And fat...