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ultracool wrote:

nafod wrote:And it rocks as a GPP program, which as long as you're achieving excellence in something, might as well have it make you healthier.

Nafod:

What do you think of Pukie and all of the cheerleading surrounding Pukie?

It's an attitude thing. I came from a naval air community where one squadron, for example, is called the World Famous Pukinâ€

Abandoned by Wolves wrote: Aye, Cap'n, there's the rub. As I found out in my early 30's, if you just grind and grind away at various strenous exercises with only "go until you puke" in mind, eventually you are going to tear and injure something (or in my case, several things over the course of three years) to the point where you can no longer continue. You might also trash your immune system (when I ran marathons in my 20's, I caught every cold that went around) and your personal relationships in your fitness obsession.

I agree, and I think anyone who does a crossfit-ish type thing ends up cycling the effort and not going 100% every workout.

nafod wrote:It's an attitude thing.

I disagree. It is not just about an attitude. Pushing to exercise-induced nausea or actual vomiting is what they do, and they brag about it and cheer for it. It's weird and it serves no purpose except for crossfit metrics and I'll bet it's counter productive to health.

Ashtanga is a mental challenge for a long time. IMA never runs out of mental challenges. Both have an excellent track record in the health and retarding the aging process department. I predict pukie will not have a good track record in this area.

Nafod = dumbass

Pukie is stupid. I know cats who would run circles around these WOD dick eaters, & not a one of them exercises in any modality until they puke.

Fucktard.

Why are people drawn to @fit?

Simple.



Because people are stupid fucking cows and will buy into any product, seminar, ball sac cream or otherwise that looks like a saviour of their soul through fitness. Also, people are drawn to the same thing that sells everything else on the internet fitness- wise...over the top marketing that aligns itself with hero professions.. fire man, army man, police man.

couch is publicly felatting the spec ops mystique to sell more housewives on kipping. simple.

What keeps the people coming back is that their are good folks in the @fit program that just can't help themselves and put together some pretty fun shit from time to time regardless of couch's raving lunacy.

Charismatic megafauna wrote:Why are people drawn to @fit?

Simple.

Wrong.

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Charismatic megafauna wrote:
Because people are stupid fucking cows and will buy into any product, seminar, ball sac cream or otherwise that looks like a saviour of their soul through fitness. Also, people are drawn to the same thing that sells everything else on the internet fitness- wise...over the top marketing that aligns itself with hero professions.. fire man, army man, police man.

That's a pretty incisive comment, and certainly describes me in my 20's. I thought collegiate rowing crew would save my soul because the races were so hard that I routinely entered crazed states of tunnel visioned semi-conciousness during a 12-13 minute heat, and had fugues of dry-heaving afterwards, and I thought that somehow it would make me a better person. Later, I did 20 and 30 rep "breathing squat" routines so hard that I puked in a waste basket on a regular basis, and was shaky and sore for a week afterwards for the same reason. That didn't work either...I was still the same asshole (or at least I felt like one) after the adrenaline and cortisone wore off in a day or two.

These days, I'm all about the well being and health instead of the strength and extreme conditioning. I stopped trying to save my soul and it's a vast improvement. You'll never knew what it's like to be relaxed - REALLY relaxed - until you've done an hour/90 minutes of a good yoga routine or chi kung routine (well, sex probably works too). Puking and post workout DOMS still has their place, but only to maintain the "top end" of my metabolism...it's good to know that you can still go all out if you have to without blowing a giblet or something...but only once or twice a month.

Your mileage may vary, and whatnot.

Abandoned by Wolves wrote:

Charismatic megafauna wrote:
Because people are stupid fucking cows and will buy into any product, seminar, ball sac cream or otherwise that looks like a saviour of their soul through fitness. Also, people are drawn to the same thing that sells everything else on the internet fitness- wise...over the top marketing that aligns itself with hero professions.. fire man, army man, police man.

That's a pretty incisive comment, and certainly describes me in my 20's. I thought collegiate rowing crew would save my soul because the races were so hard that I routinely entered crazed states of tunnel visioned semi-conciousness during a 12-13 minute heat, and had fugues of dry-heaving afterwards, and I thought that somehow it would make me a better person. Later, I did 20 and 30 rep "breathing squat" routines so hard that I puked in a waste basket on a regular basis, and was shaky and sore for a week afterwards for the same reason. That didn't work either...I was still the same asshole (or at least I felt like one) after the adrenaline and cortisone wore off in a day or two.

These days, I'm all about the well being and health instead of the strength and extreme conditioning. I stopped trying to save my soul and it's a vast improvement. You'll never knew what it's like to be relaxed - REALLY relaxed - until you've done an hour/90 minutes of a good yoga routine or chi kung routine (well, sex probably works too). Puking and post workout DOMS still has their place, but only to maintain the "top end" of my metabolism...it's good to know that you can still go all out if you have to without blowing a giblet or something...but only once or twice a month.

Your mileage may vary, and whatnot.

Two good posts...resonates very strongly with me.

Marc wrote:Marc=load my mom should have swallowed

Pukie is stupid. I know cats who would run circles around these WOD dick eaters, & not a one of them exercises in any modality until they puke.

Marc, you live in Utah, right? Why don't you take a break from trying to impregnate your two wives and a goat and head down to Gym Jones and take it up with Mark Twight. The programs are pretty much identical.

Abandoned by Wolves wrote:These days, I'm all about the well being and health instead of the strength and extreme conditioning....it's good to know that you can still go all out if you have to without blowing a giblet or something...but only once or twice a month.

Your mileage may vary, and whatnot.

I'm closest to this, actually. For me it's about getting outside and having fun, and letting the fitness follow from that. I'm probably not going to win any big athletic contests now, unless its within an age bracket, and that's like competing in the special olympics.

When I can't get out outside, I cherry pick from routines from here and crossfit and gym jones, etc.

Abandoned by Wolves wrote:

Charismatic megafauna wrote:
Because people are stupid fucking cows and will buy into any product, seminar, ball sac cream or otherwise that looks like a saviour of their soul through fitness. Also, people are drawn to the same thing that sells everything else on the internet fitness- wise...over the top marketing that aligns itself with hero professions.. fire man, army man, police man.

That's a pretty incisive comment, and certainly describes me in my 20's. I thought collegiate rowing crew would save my soul because the races were so hard that I routinely entered crazed states of tunnel visioned semi-conciousness during a 12-13 minute heat, and had fugues of dry-heaving afterwards, and I thought that somehow it would make me a better person. Later, I did 20 and 30 rep "breathing squat" routines so hard that I puked in a waste basket on a regular basis, and was shaky and sore for a week afterwards for the same reason. That didn't work either...I was still the same asshole (or at least I felt like one) after the adrenaline and cortisone wore off in a day or two.

These days, I'm all about the well being and health instead of the strength and extreme conditioning. I stopped trying to save my soul and it's a vast improvement. You'll never knew what it's like to be relaxed - REALLY relaxed - until you've done an hour/90 minutes of a good yoga routine or chi kung routine (well, sex probably works too). Puking and post workout DOMS still has their place, but only to maintain the "top end" of my metabolism...it's good to know that you can still go all out if you have to without blowing a giblet or something...but only once or twice a month.

Your mileage may vary, and whatnot.

Your comment about things you did in your 20's (&30's) reminds me of the old adage, No Pain= No Gain. Sometime in my 40's my motto became, No Pain= No pain.

People do @fit for 3 reasons:

1. The need to belong. Working out with a group of like minded folks is fun and a lot easier than facing 495 for triples with just a power rack betwen you and the floor, a 5 mountain mountain trail, or a big ocean all by your lonesome.

2. The need to have somebody tell you what to do. Most folks have no idea what they are doing in everything from exercise to theology. So just letting somebody else do the thinking is the eays way out.

3. Very few want to be a winner. While many dream of hitting the winning homerun, scoring the winning touchdown, or raising their fist in the octagon, etc., most folks have experienced failure and didn't like the taste of it, so they aren't going to risk the pain anymore to achieve victory.

Delusions of Mediocrity, strengthened by a Mob mentality, with penance paid via pukey and rhabdo, with a guru at the head, is the @fit manifesto.

jmo
jack

Wow.

I checked the Arnot books out.

Some reviewer named "lemon magic" really did an excellent analysis of this Pukie-realted nonsense and Dr. Arnot seeing the light without actually admitting it. Excellent.

couch is publicly felatting the spec ops mystique to sell more housewives on kipping. simple.

What keeps the people coming back is that their are good folks in the @fit program that just can't help themselves and put together some pretty fun shit from time to time regardless of couch's raving lunacy

Bingo, being a real disabled Viet Nam vet, 1/1 Cavalary, Americal Divsion,
1968-69, it kind of sticks in my throat that x-fit has its tongue up their asses. Got my purples the hard way, draftee. Never did see a fire fight
decided by how many kipping pull-ups you can do.

11D40 for those who know.

powerlifter54 wrote:People do @fit for 3 reasons:

1. The need to belong. Working out with a group of like minded folks is fun and a lot easier than facing 495 for triples with just a power rack betwen you and the floor, a 5 mountain mountain trail, or a big ocean all by your lonesome.

2. The need to have somebody tell you what to do. Most folks have no idea what they are doing in everything from exercise to theology. So just letting somebody else do the thinking is the eays way out.

3. Very few want to be a winner. While many dream of hitting the winning homerun, scoring the winning touchdown, or raising their fist in the octagon, etc., most folks have experienced failure and didn't like the taste of it, so they aren't going to risk the pain anymore to achieve victory.

Delusions of Mediocrity, strengthened by a Mob mentality, with penance paid via pukey and rhabdo, with a guru at the head, is the @fit manifesto.

jmo
jack

Nugget.

nafod wrote:Marc, you live in Utah, right? Why don't you take a break from trying to impregnate your two wives and a goat and head down to Gym Jones and take it up with Mark Twight. The programs are pretty much identical.

Cuz I have nothing to gain by puking.

I don't care how you spin it, working out till you puke is fucking stupid.

powerlifter54 wrote:People do @fit for 3 reasons:

1. The need to belong. Working out with a group of like minded folks is fun and a lot easier than facing 495 for triples with just a power rack betwen you and the floor, a 5 mountain mountain trail, or a big ocean all by your lonesome.

Welcome to the internet. I bet the majority do the xfit workouts alone. I never did one with someone else there. Just me, the pullup bar, DBs, and the clock in the garage.

2. The need to have somebody tell you what to do. Most folks have no idea what they are doing in everything from exercise to theology. So just letting somebody else do the thinking is the eays way out.

Sounds like the dojo.

3. Very few want to be a winner. While many dream of hitting the winning homerun, scoring the winning touchdown, or raising their fist in the octagon, etc., most folks have experienced failure and didn't like the taste of it, so they aren't going to risk the pain anymore to achieve victory.

Xfit is all about measuring your efforts. Numbers don't lie. You improved or not. The fact that it doesn't directly map to some niche sport like powerlifting or GS doesn't change the fact that to hit your potential requires just as much hard work as any other workout, but without the ego stroking of standing on a podium surrounded by your peers.

Pukie: The number of people who blow chunks are a miniscule percent of those that work out. But a core of xfit is circuits and high intensity intervals, and to make gains requires at least occasional max efforts that push you to your AT for extended periods. It appears that people here have a real problem with interval training, or feel they should always be done at less than max effort.

nafod wrote:

powerlifter54 wrote:People do @fit for 3 reasons:

1. The need to belong. Working out with a group of like minded folks is fun and a lot easier than facing 495 for triples with just a power rack betwen you and the floor, a 5 mountain mountain trail, or a big ocean all by your lonesome.

Welcome to the internet. I bet the majority do the xfit workouts alone. I never did one with someone else there. Just me, the pullup bar, DBs, and the clock in the garage.

2. The need to have somebody tell you what to do. Most folks have no idea what they are doing in everything from exercise to theology. So just letting somebody else do the thinking is the eays way out.

Sounds like the dojo.

3. Very few want to be a winner. While many dream of hitting the winning homerun, scoring the winning touchdown, or raising their fist in the octagon, etc., most folks have experienced failure and didn't like the taste of it, so they aren't going to risk the pain anymore to achieve victory.

Xfit is all about measuring your efforts. Numbers don't lie. You improved or not. The fact that it doesn't directly map to some niche sport like powerlifting or GS doesn't change the fact that to hit your potential requires just as much hard work as any other workout, but without the ego stroking of standing on a podium surrounded by your peers.

Pukie: The number of people who blow chunks are a miniscule percent of those that work out. But a core of xfit is circuits and high intensity intervals, and to make gains requires at least occasional max efforts that push you to your AT for extended periods. It appears that people here have a real problem with interval training, or feel they should always be done at less than max effort.

If your a general fitness guy or gal that doesn't compete in sports, crossfit is fine. Who knows, following crossfit may make you best generalist you can be. It's just as good or bad as any other generalist protocal like Hard style Kbs, heavy hands, etc.

However, those that belong to the cooch cult have a very bad habit of looking down their noses at Power lifters, GS, Olympic lifters, or anyone else that doesn't subscribe their program and or specialises in a sport. On two occations they have been very disrepectfull toward two men that have competed at the national or international levels in their sports; Steve Cotter and Dan John. 99.9% of @fiters could even come close to competing with these two men in their respective endevors.

Another irritating habit is how ( like DD and others) they have latched onto the military angle, in this case the Combat arms Spec ops angle. The problem is that ground pounders engage in a job that has little or no place in their main PT program for @fit. The job requires way to many specific tasks to follow a generalist program like @fit. This doesn't mean @fit or any other program could be used every now and then to add a little spice make things interesting.

As a Ranger I had 5 specific physical test that I had to pass on a quarterly basis and before I attended any schools. APFT, pull up test, 5 mile run test, Road march test, swim test. Add on top of this the physical demands of my job, there was no way I could use @fit as my main PT.

Just to show you I'm not biased, Pavel and DD like to referance some russian study where one group that did nothing but KBs did better on a PT test than those that specialized in the events of the test. This is complete hog wash. If this was the case why does Pavel recomend grease the groove push up and pull up programs to improve a persons pullup and push up numbers? Wy not just say KB snatches and C&Js? The answer is, if you want to get better at something you have to specialize. I don't care how many kip pull ups yopu can do, it won't prepare you for passing a pull up test where the standard is straight up and down with out "body english".

BB2/75

Batboy2/75 wrote: Just to show you I'm not biased, Pavel and DD like to referance some russian study where one group that did nothing but KBs did better on a PT test than those that specialized in the events of the test. This is complete hog wash. If this was the case why does Pavel recomend grease the groove push up and pull up programs to improve a persons pullup and push up numbers? Wy not just say KB snatches and C&Js? The answer is, if you want to get better at something you have to specialize.

I agree. I think that study has been totally misrepresented and have said so for a long time. It violates basic principles of sports science.

Batboy2/75 wrote:On two occations they have been very disrepectfull toward two men that have competed at the national or international levels in their sports; Steve Cotter and Dan John. 99.9% of @fiters could even come close to competing with these two men in their respective endevors.

I didn't see the Cotter one, but still think the shots @man took at Dan John to be close to the stupidest, most tactless thing he could have done. But then I've come to learn there's a whole lot operating the mouth before engaging the brain going on in the on-line fitness world. And the google cache remembers all. I pretty much agree with the rest of your post.

Really Nafod?

Does that mean you aren't Greg after all, or is it just another smoke screen?

Shaf wrote:Really Nafod?

Does that mean you aren't Greg after all, or is it just another smoke screen?

It just means I hate myself. Heh.

I think I've been fairly consistent in saying @man was a dumbass for his comments and his mouth is his own worst enemy and a little STFU would have gone a long way. But hey, the guy who invented the transistor (Shockley) was a monumental rectal corn cob too, and I still use the computer.

Your computer runs on transistors?

I love Cooch's greatest hits:

Conch:

Josh Hillis!

It's been called to my attention, sadly, that you:

a. Posted on Dragon Door that I say stupid things on the Internet all the time: here's your chance to give concrete examples or apologize for your trying to find friends and fit in at Dragon Door by saying stupid things on the Internet. In that I never post away from CF, it must be something I said here.

b. Found great humor in my limp: on this item I can only offer that had anyone but yours truly been the butt of that you would be banned from CrossFit for life and your certifications would be revoked. I don't find making fun of disability funny and those who do so repugnant. You are the first CF trainer to embarrass CrossFit.

For the record, your total inability to control even simple movements was of such concern at both CF seminars that my staff didn't want you cert'd. I intervened and asked Lani and others to give extra time to you before each day to work on the fundamentals so that you might find success rather than defeat with simple skills. How did you manage to leave that out when the subject of CrossFit and our relative emphasis on technique and form came up vis-�-vis the NYT slam?

Finally, it's been two weeks since the NYT piece and I'm no longer overweight (though I still limp), but I'm betting that Mark is still afraid to come around, Jack is still morbidly obese, Stephen still has a 30 minute Fran, you're still uncoordinated, and Pavel still losing his best (Jeff Martone just this weekend) talent to a program of higher standards, greater efficacy, and integrity.

Hillis, obviously reeling from the unexpected bitchslap:

Dear Coach Glassman,

I think we just had a big misunderstaning. First, to remove those sentences from the context that they were in changes the meaning completely. And of course over the internet, tone is never clear.

On the Dragon Door Forum, CrossFit was being slammed because you are known for attacking people personally when they disagree with you. I said “Greg says stupid shit all the time, and that doesn’t mean that CrossFit doesn’t workâ€