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powerlifter54 wrote:Ahem...

This is "The couch thread", not the Cotter thread. We have one, go find it.

Focus bichos...FOCUS!

powerlifter54 wrote:Ahem...

This is "The couch thread", not the Cotter thread. We have one, go find it.

Focus bichos...FOCUS!

Joe wrote:New Couch workouts available:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/diet.fit ... index.html

couch wrote:In one we've been asked to work with the plaintiffs lawyers as experts.

Tackleberry wrote:Founding Farther lays the smack down on David Wood (and more).

oskars_left_nut wrote:On a related note, this guy had a nice exit:
http://www.board.crossfit.com/showpost. ... tcount=237

Its kind of like the sad history of the Heimlich maneuver.

nafod wrote:OK, can someone fill me in on the sad history of the Heimlich maneuver????

George,

There was a pro NFL lineman at the games and several notable pro T&F athtletes who trained towards the games and decided not to come - even when offered to have their expenses paid.

Irv Ray, the elite US Decathlon coach said that the winner of the CrossFit games deserves to be called fittest man/woman on earth and that no decathlete past or presence has/had the mental toughness to succeed at CrossFit. He very deliberately included past and present competitors.

George, you have it wrong.

Moderators, when the knee-jerk response to controversy, discussion, and heated debate become Pukie's Bucket we're very close to shutting down the message board. I'm finding it increasingly hard to draw the brightest from our community over here and heavy handed moderation is always given as an issue. It's kept me away.

There are two lawsuits involving CrossFit. In one we've been asked to work with the plaintiffs lawyers as experts. Our Rhabdo awareness pieces are listed among the expert witness documents for the case. This is the one that Boyle and friends are referring to. Mike Boyle's insinuation that this is a case against CrossFit is unethical, incorrect, uneducated, and irresponsible. It's also typical of Mr. Boyle. (As an aside, I also suspect that the case is fraudulent and entirely inspired by the NY Times article.)

The second case involved a kid who hurt his knees doing back flips off of a gym wall in a Marin County owned gymnastics super-gym. We were included in that suit for reasons that the plaintiffs atty. says were due entirely to his misunderstanding of CrossFit. The plaintiffs atty. has removed CrossFit Inc. from the suit - before we filed our motion for summary dismissal.

CrossFit has never been sued. Our insurance brokers deal exclusively with health clubs and gyms. They are the largest writers of sport and exercise liability policies in the world. They claim we have an unmatched record of revenue (and reach) to litigation.

Mike Boyle is happy in a world where he makes his 50K/yr helping a few hundred people each year become a bit fitter. His work is not taken seriously at professional sporting levels and his reach with the general public is very, very limited. He's sees the CrossFit juggernaut wherever he goes and he can't stand it. We've spoken with the hockey players who claims he gave them their worst season ever, we've met the Army guys who were told they needed to do push-ups from their knees. (You can find reference to both of these instances from the comments on the first Boyle/CrossFit WOD post)
My issues with Mike Boyle that aren't about ethics, jealousy, competency, and professionalism are about risk analysis - cost benefit analysis.

Is fitness important enough to accept some risk in teaching and training people? Is CrossFit as dangerous as ANY sport? Does Boyle et al recommend that no lifelong trained athletes engage in sport?

Boyle doesn't have the educational, professional, or intellectual background to support his charges. I've given him a forum to do so and his response was like that of a drunken nine year old. We even reprinted our exchange regarding his attacks on CrossFit at the SOMA conference and his response to me in a CrossFit Journal article. Were he of average intelligence he'd have left well enough alone after that. Read the CFJ article, it's proof enough that the man doesn't have the capacity for serious thought and discussion. It may be hard for some of you to see that from a textual frame of reference. So....we're going to give you a radio show. There I, Robb Wolf, Lon Kilgore, Mark Rippetoe, and Tom Delong, are going to respond to Boyle, Cook, and Cosgrove point by silly point.

nafod wrote:

oskars_left_nut wrote:On a related note, this guy had a nice exit:
http://www.board.crossfit.com/showpost. ... tcount=237

OK, can someone fill me in on the sad history of the Heimlich maneuver????

Its kind of like the sad history of the Heimlich maneuver.

Stayfq wrote:Amazing how a response like that- uncouth, offensive, and borderline retarded- will get nothing but applause. He outright shits bricks on Boyle, questioning everything but his sexuality, and I can forsee nothing but praise from the cultfitters for the tasteless response. The guy is a fucking asshole. Holy shit, what a fucking asshole.

Had anyone ever spoken about Crossfit or that jackass glassman that way, the board would launching themselves, complete with bombs strapped to chest, into whomsoever had the audacity to question their way's front door. Fuckwads.

Irv Ray, the elite US Decathlon coach said that the winner of the CrossFit games deserves to be called fittest man/woman on earth and that no decathlete past or presence has/had the mental toughness to succeed at CrossFit. He very deliberately included past and present competitors.

I've given him a forum to do so and his response was like that of a drunken nine year old.