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How do I get free equipment for a year and a half to run a box? Is this a new program HQ has? or is that just a program for our "friends"?
Comment #40 - Posted by: V at March 4, 2010 10:41 AM

Is Tony Blauer involved in this? It is in the same place as Blauer Tactical.
Comment #41 - Posted by: Jack at March 4, 2010 10:42 AM

There have been some decent points made in those deleted posts. They're around, if anyone is interested.
Comment #41 - Posted by: scott at March 4, 2010 10:45 AM

My post was not mean-spirited, impolite or nonsensical. Why was it deleted. I believe the question I raised at the very least should be allowed to stay on the board.
Comment #41 - Posted by: Christopher at March 4, 2010 10:46 AM

Dale, why "R or J or whatever"? You have access to the deleted posts, you know exactly who you're replying to in each case.
Comment #44 - Posted by: JCVD at March 4, 2010 11:01 AM

kitosho wrote:I see a potential for future uprising / mutiny. Any way we can throw some napalm on this situation? It would be just fantastic if this thread played a part in the inevitable downfall of CF.

The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world.

Ok...I think I get the process now..unless you are supportive of Crossfit you don't get posted. "Go Crossfit!!!" Oh, wait you did like thieves in the night. See now it's just fun.
Comment #44 - Posted by: What truth at March 4, 2010 11:13 AM

So the equipment was put in Tony Blauer's place which became CrossFit Obsession and then was taken out of what is still Tony Blauer's place? Or is that Luke Hillier's place?
Comment #44 - Posted by: Jack at March 4, 2010 11:21 AM

The Gym is definitely not gone. Just got brand new equipment delivered today. We'll be doing the same thing we were doing before just without the name CrossFit. Big deal. It's just a name. So congrats on accomplishing absolutely nothing. Oh and by the way, employee memberships were paid for by Luke/ADS. Man, what a horrible place to work.
Comment #45 - Posted by: gym at March 4, 2010 11:21 AM

Dale_Saran

With all due respect I would just like to clarify that there were individuals such as myself who paid for our memberships to Crossfit Obsession.
It was not a "freebie gym" to us.
Comment #44 - Posted by: Travis at March 4, 2010 11:23 AM

The freebies not gone. The new equipment is coming in today. The gym will be back up and running before B&A can even unload the equipment they took.
Comment #45 - Posted by: j at March 4, 2010 11:23 AM

ab g-d wrote:As the former Chief of Economic Crime I can tell you unequivicollly they are both lying.

In every case where the parties were in businesses together, as opposed to say an internet fraud scheme where their might actually be an "innocent victim", both parties lied to us when they proferred. In almost every case the victim was perfectly happy with what they knew was a sketchy deal until said sketchy deal went sour on them, at which time they became the victim.

friedquads wrote:

ab g-d wrote:As the former Chief of Economic Crime I can tell you unequivicollly they are both lying.

In every case where the parties were in businesses together, as opposed to say an internet fraud scheme where their might actually be an "innocent victim", both parties lied to us when they proferred. In almost every case the victim was perfectly happy with what they knew was a sketchy deal until said sketchy deal went sour on them, at which time they became the victim.

So with your experience, do you think this is going to actually see a court room? I'm sure a court reporter is going to have a difficult time trying to translate Couch-speak into something that resembles the English language if Glass-hole takes the stand.

Dale Saran wrote:The gear was actually at Tony Blauer's place for HQ's use for certs and seminars at Blauer tactical - well before B&A got to VA Beach or CF Obsession even existed. Tony was in a dispute/settlement over ownership of Blauer Tactical with Luke Hillier and we (HQ) left the gear there at Tony's request until things settled out. During that time, B applied for affilation, was approved, and began training at CFO. In a colloquial sense, the gear was "loaned", though not really - this all happened without HQ's input initially.

The bottom line is a issue between Luke and Tony. You people keep talking about the gym. It was never about the gym Brendan or Allison. Nobody was going to steal your equipment. If that was the case, post the letter with the time and date sent! Tony needed to get back at Luke for some reason and the only way was to destroy CFO. He got his buddy at CF and his Minion trainers B&A to follow. In the end, he did a great job. If he put as much into Blauer Tactical as he did trying to destroy CFO, we wouldn't be in this position.

P.S. I laugh when you delete every Pro Hillier comment.
Comment #45 - Posted by: joe L at March 4, 2010 11:28 AM

Keep in mind that not only is Luke a great Crossfit Athlete but when there is a competition on the line he will kill himself making sure he wins.

T200 wrote: How the fuck can Virginia Beach support that much @Fitting? .

R - (or J or whatever).

Here is the fallacy in your point and the part you've failed to address: We didn't choose to have this happen and we didn't get exactly a lot of notice ourselves. That we found out about the internal plans to take our gear was entirely serendipitous - in short, we either removed the gear or we risked losing control over it. Here's the other fallacy - that we're the bad guys because we didn't consider the disruption to the clients. We (like Brendan and Allison) care about the clients. That's why B&A remain in good standing with us and we're hopeful they're going to get up and running again shortly. They're the trainers - not Luke Hillier. That Luke Hillier gave away free memberships and people are miffed because their freebie gym is gone is not our problem, quite frankly. Notice would have meant locks changed, B&A gone, and us without our gear. That we were supposed to give 'notice' to the people who were surreptitiously planning to make some bogus legal claim about a non-existent lease is funny, to me.

Next (to the poster complaining about CF HQ setting up B&A) - it didn't go down like that. The gear was actually at Tony Blauer's place for HQ's use for certs and seminars at Blauer tactical - well before B&A got to VA Beach or CF Obsession even existed. Tony was in a dispute/settlement over ownership of Blauer Tactical with Luke Hillier and we (HQ) left the gear there at Tony's request until things settled out. During that time, B applied for affilation, was approved, and began training at CFO. In a colloquial sense, the gear was "loaned", though not really - this all happened without HQ's input initially.

Notwithstanding all of this, we've tried to make lemonade with lemons. Tony Blauer is our friend - he does great things in his area of expertise. B&A are great trainers - that's at the heart of CF Obsession's success - not some financial backer. People don't get great fitness because some guy gives away memberships - people get(got) results because of B&A's professional acumen as trainers.

Funny how that principle gets lost because someone got their freebie taken away.

Comment #42 - Posted by: Dale_Saran at March 4, 2010 10:57 AM

LLC ID: S229813- 3
LLC STATUS: 00 ACTIVE
LLC NAME: Blauer Tactical Systems USA, LLC
CURRENT REGISTERED AGENT: NAME: CHARLES M SALLE
STREET: 477 VIKING DR STE 350 CITY: VIRGINIA BEACH STATE: VA ZIP: 23452-0000 STATUS: 4 MEMBER OF EFF DATE: 07/19/07 LOC: 228 VIRGINIA BEACH CITY OLD REGISTERED AGENT: NAME: STREET: CITY: STATE: ZIP: STATUS: EFF DATE LOC:

Mr. Charles M. Salle (ADS Inc./VP/Gen. Counsel),

I think Louise just put it all to rest. Brendan and Allison will be ok. CrossFit will continue to be succesful. Being a succesful businessman does not mean you are ruthless or a bad person (Luke Hillier). It's not about the equipment and both sides of this argument know it. It sucks for the former members of CFO, but you all haven't done your last kettlebell swings, now have you?

CrossFit is protecting it's affiliates by upholding a standard of value (widely-accepted monthly member fees). Is this price-fixing (negative) or is it perpetuation of a great business (positive)?

The owners of CrossFit Obsession wanted to offer a lower price-point (annual fee of 60 dollars per month) which is only possible if you have access to an awesome facility like Blauer Tactical.

For those of you who don't know, Blauer Tactical is basically an amusement park for mil/leo/mma/cf'ers. It is awesome. Let's not forget: the 2009 regional qualifiers were held there.

How many affiliates could hold a sectional/regional qualifer IN THIER BOX? Additionally, not all boxes have this opportunity, and not all boxes could support the amount of members CFO had (upwards of 450). So if you had a huge facility, you could feasibly drop the membership fee and bring in more clients. Is this ruthless business practice? No.

Does CFHQ want to avoid this type of thing happening due to quality-control issues? Of course. Can you blame either side?

This is an anomaly, an isolated situation of differing perspectives. Both sides have their points. This will probably not go further than dorks like us posting comments in this forum.

Everyone shut up and go do some deadlifts. If you are a (former) CFO member you don't have equipment right now so, rally together and deadlift Hillier's baby-blue Ferrari.

Comment #46 - Posted by: the guy next to Tino at March 4, 2010 1:18 PM

stosh wrote:AbG-d needs to pull a Grisham and become an author and write a novel called The Box about all these intriguey and espionagey goings-on with a gin-blossomed fitness guru and big-name defense contractors and chub-boobed trainers and assorted wiggers and back-alley dealers named Ana and Andy and then at the end there'd be an epic battle between Rmax, Xfit, and DD-trained Special Forces doods. That'd be kewl.

Yes I Have Balls wrote:

I think Louise just put it all to rest. Brendan and Allison will be ok. CrossFit will continue to be succesful. Being a succesful businessman does not mean you are ruthless or a bad person (Luke Hillier). It's not about the equipment and both sides of this argument know it. It sucks for the former members of CFO, but you all haven't done your last kettlebell swings, now have you?

CrossFit is protecting it's affiliates by upholding a standard of value (widely-accepted monthly member fees). Is this price-fixing (negative) or is it perpetuation of a great business (positive)?

The owners of CrossFit Obsession wanted to offer a lower price-point (annual fee of 60 dollars per month) which is only possible if you have access to an awesome facility like Blauer Tactical.

For those of you who don't know, Blauer Tactical is basically an amusement park for mil/leo/mma/cf'ers. It is awesome. Let's not forget: the 2009 regional qualifiers were held there.

How many affiliates could hold a sectional/regional qualifer IN THIER BOX? Additionally, not all boxes have this opportunity, and not all boxes could support the amount of members CFO had (upwards of 450). So if you had a huge facility, you could feasibly drop the membership fee and bring in more clients. Is this ruthless business practice? No.

Does CFHQ want to avoid this type of thing happening due to quality-control issues? Of course. Can you blame either side?

This is an anomaly, an isolated situation of differing perspectives. Both sides have their points. This will probably not go further than dorks like us posting comments in this forum.

Everyone shut up and go do some deadlifts. If you are a (former) CFO member you don't have equipment right now so, rally together and deadlift Hillier's baby-blue Ferrari.

Comment #46 - Posted by: the guy next to Tino at March 4, 2010 1:18 PM

Hold up there sparky. HQ can step in in you charge too LITTLE? Sounds a lot like franchise control to me.