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Emily Mattes
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Re: Since You Guys Are Always Wondering About Sport Carry-Over

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So the answer to "Why do specialized athletes come in and spank die-hard Crossfitters' butts in their own Games" is "The athletes are doing varied movements at high intensity, so they're doing Crossfit"?! Track-and-field? Crossfit! Football? Crossfit! MMA? Crossfit! It's all Crossfit!

Rather than defending Crossfit's methodology, you're just claiming everything is Crossfit? Really?! What, Crossfit has been existing in all of us, since the beginning of time, and has only now emerged under the name "Crossfit"? Doug Hepburn did Crossfit! Eugene Sandow did Crossfit! Pisarenko did Crossfit! They didn't call it Crossfit, but it was Crossfit!

The programming of elite athletes looks nothing like the mainpage WOD. Nothing. And please, if you have to start bringing in, say, the strength-bias programming of Random Affiliate X as an example and claim that suddenly the programming of that one affiliate now represents all of Crossfit--for this instance, anyway, when we talk about endurance training you'll find an affiliate who does more endurance-based stuff--then you have reached a level of cherry-picking in your argument that's simply ludicrous.

When your exercise system can be defined by everything, ultimately it is nothing. Nothing but someone with a name trying desperately to co-opt the programming and successes of others, anyway.

And if someone wants to argue we just have to wait for the athlete who's been doing Crossfit from a young age to come up and sweep the Games . . . Well, how is Connor Martin doing in that front?

CF is elite compromise fitness.

Stephanie Tafoya wrote: The workout missed is the opportunity missed. I will not cheat myself of the opportunity to become a better athlete and person.
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Yes I Have Balls wrote:

CF is elite compromise fitness.

but not to this lady - it's life or death

Stephanie Tafoya wrote: The workout missed is the opportunity missed. I will not cheat myself of the opportunity to become a better athlete and person.
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Yes I Have Balls wrote:

CF is elite compromise fitness.

but not to this lady - it's life or death

Stephanie Tafoya wrote: The workout missed is the opportunity missed. I will not cheat myself of the opportunity to become a better athlete and person.
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Freki wrote:

Yes I Have Balls wrote:

CF is elite compromise fitness.

but not to this lady - it's life or death

Stephanie Tafoya wrote: The workout missed is the opportunity missed. I will not cheat myself of the opportunity to become a better athlete and person.
about an hour ago · Comment · Like

So much for listening to your body when it comes to training, huh?

CrossFit Geneseo March 17 at 10:53am
You guys know a lot about lifting and all that stuff, and you're really funny most of the time, but your medical knowledge may not be the best.
An aortic aneurysm is a genetic condition that is rarely diagnosed before the tear occurs. It is nearly always fatal. The tear can occur at any time and was not related to the workout in any way. This woman is my friend and she is fighting for her life right now.

CultBuster wrote:

CrossFit Geneseo March 17 at 10:53am
You guys know a lot about lifting and all that stuff, and you're really funny most of the time, but your medical knowledge may not be the best.
An aortic aneurysm is a genetic condition that is rarely diagnosed before the tear occurs. It is nearly always fatal. The tear can occur at any time and was not related to the workout in any way. This woman is my friend and she is fighting for her life right now.

FB message to Coch Crassmen! I am conteplating a response, but will take suggestions

Yes I Have Balls wrote:

Since CrossFit is the only community to have an adequate definition of fitness, "work capacity across broad time and modal domains" We have legitimate claim to say that our sport is the test of the fittest athletes in the world.

Also every athlete who has come into CrossFit competition and done well with little CF experience was training with "constantly varied functional movement executed at high intensity." They may not have even known it, but by definition, they were basically doing CrossFit. Performing CrossFit does not simply mean aimlessly following the main site, or working on Fran, Elizabeth and Diane every other day.

All you CF ignorant douche bag haters need to either show up and compete, or bring some athletes who you coach and show us how great you are. The funny thing is that as much as some people want to hate, they spend their free time on CF websites, kinda ironic.

Free hate top off courtesy of Justin Riley from @fiteastsac

protobuilder wrote:

CultBuster wrote:

CrossFit Geneseo March 17 at 10:53am
You guys know a lot about lifting and all that stuff, and you're really funny most of the time, but your medical knowledge may not be the best.
An aortic aneurysm is a genetic condition that is rarely diagnosed before the tear occurs. It is nearly always fatal. The tear can occur at any time and was not related to the workout in any way. This woman is my friend and she is fighting for her life right now.

FB message to Coch Crassmen! I am conteplating a response, but will take suggestions

Aortic aneurysm schmaneurysm. What her friend needs is some of Crassman's STFU therapy! Nature eschews aneurysms.

protobuilder wrote:

Justin Riley wrote:Also every athlete who has come into CrossFit competition and done well with little CF experience was training with "constantly varied functional movement executed at high intensity." They may not have even known it, but by definition, they were basically doing CrossFit. Performing CrossFit does not simply mean aimlessly following the main site,

Um, no. Wrong on both accounts. First, only you dumb motherfuckers do shit that is "constantly varied." The rest of the world knows better and has for a long time. Second, you need to have a talk with Couch. He once wrote that if he didn't invent something, neither did Beethoven, since all the notes already existed as did the exercises that make up Cultfit. It is the precise combination of exercises and reps/sets that makes Cultfit something unique, perfect even, according to Glasshat. That is what allows him to attempt to trademark/patent/whatever his silly brand of fitness fatale. I mean, I guess you could be right, and EVERYTHING is Crossfit...in which case the "Crossfit" label becomes meaningless and, more significantly, FREE to everyone. That would really make the paying affiliates look stupid, eh? Paying for the right to use a label that is meaningless.

The fitness industry has been around for a long time. People have been getting stronger, faster, and fitter using gymnastics, calisthenics, weightlifting, metabolic monostructural exercises, and various combinations thereof. If you think that's what CrossFit is, then you are correct, there is nothing new.

But that is not really what CrossFit is. The primary unique contribution CrossFit made has been this definition of fitness (increased work capacity across broad time and modal domains, which is not at all from Dynamax). I get that you don't understand the enormous benefit and implications of this definition. In your eyes, there is nothing new because that's what everyone always meant about when they say fitness.

That may be true today, at least within our community, but that didn't exist before CrossFit. People were not talking about measuring work capacity across broad time and modal domains. Some people were measuring work and power in limited domains specific to their sport, but that is different.

Why is this so significant? Because it is the benchmark around which everyone seeking elite fitness can operate and evaluate their progress. The debate about who is fittest has been around forever. Is the Tour de France winner fitter than the Welterweight Boxing Champion of the World? Before CrossFit's concise and measurable definition, there was no way to reconcile or test either claim.

Furthermore, demonstrating increased work capacity across broad time and modal domains in the gym really does translate into better real world fitness. This has made a tremendous difference for soldiers and first responders around the world, to name just two populations.

The second major contribution was the prescription for achieving the highest levels of fitness (constantly varied functional movements at high intensity). Again, we have seen people doing functional movements at high intensity for a very long time, but the identification of functional movements (as we define them - see articles in the CrossFit Journal for more information) as the primary vehicle by which fitness is achieved has enormous implications. Now everyone can avoid an entire category of movement (non-functional movements), making their fitness efforts that much more efficient and effective.

Combining functional movements specifically to maximize intensity (average power) was never established before CrossFit. People experimented with it in small areas, but this change in the breadth of scope of the experiment is unique and very substantial.

Again, you can look back and see these movements going on forever, and some of you are saying that means CrossFit isn't unique. But there is a huge difference between focused effort with a measurable goal and various types of experimentation. That difference has been improved fitness for the average fitness enthusiast, and the highest levels of elite fitness in history.

Now, we claim that the winners of the CrossFit Games are the fittest man and woman on the planet. There are many who dispute this claim, but as of yet, no one has directly challenged any of our winners. We would be more than willing to set up the competition (and, in fact, this year's Games are one example).

Furthermore, these CrossFit Games are the first of its kind. Just as MMA originally provided a forum for who would win, the boxer or the wrestler (or any martial artist for that matter), the CrossFit Games provide the first forum for any athlete of any background to compete in the sport of fitness. Of course, there is room for someone to say that our Games are actually not the best test of fitness, but then there would be an onus on them to provide a better one. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but it hasn't happened yet.

The bottom line is that the refinements CrossFit has made in three areas: a concise and measurable definition of fitness, the prescription on how to achieve it, and a forum for how to evaluate it have made a unique and enormous difference in the industry.

chi wrote:

Holeyfraggaroley wrote:Holee shit! How do you tear an aorta and not die?

by being an eleeeeeeete athlete obviously

Budding wrote:Of course, there is room for someone to say that our Games are actually not the best test of fitness, but then there would be an onus on them to provide a better one. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but it hasn't happened yet.

boney pudding wrote:Now, we claim that the winners of the CrossFit Games are the fittest man and woman on the planet. There are many who dispute this claim, but as of yet, no one has directly challenged any of our winners. We would be more than willing to set up the competition (and, in fact, this year's Games are one example).

LiftHeavyShit wrote: Did broad domain mumbo jumbo skip this domain?

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Botototo wrote:

Budding wrote:Of course, there is room for someone to say that our Games are actually not the best test of fitness, but then there would be an onus on them to provide a better one. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but it hasn't happened yet.

God fucking damn it. I may have shit for brains but I provided exactly this over a year ago. Bitch about it if you want but please stop saying this.