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Beelzebub wrote:

friedquads wrote:Wrong Beelzebub. If anything is keeping @Fit alive, it's WGM and the many MANY wimmenz who need to show off their narcissistic tendencies while wearing short-shorts and knee-high socks. (Not knocking WGM, he does good work to where now the wimmenz are begging to be apart of the Gorilla Harem).

The Couch Thread is still doing its job. But you can only hate so much before getting really really tired...until someone like Couch, Shave, or Mayor McCheeze does a really stupid-ass thing again.

Bmac n' cheez either just got over a bout of dysentery or this is what @fit endurance will do to you after prolonged exposure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HJopmEacVU

Which is the ironical, considering what B-Wack says to other manorexics:
http://www.flotrack.org/speaker/7970-Br ... rack-Field

The Guy Who Knows wrote:I just read most of the posts...It is good to see people who are opening their eyes to this and seeing what it really is. I am a trainer and have ran and worked right next to Brian. I have seen him fail because of injury and mystery sickness too many times. Injuries that blow my mind seeing he is supposed to be in great shape. I strength train about 3 days per week, run 5 days per week when training for an ultra race with 2-3 recovery runs, 1 long distance run and a speed workout or hill repeats and I have finished top 8 in my last 4 ultras weighing 160lbs at 6'1". When I see him now he is like "you are so skinny". I am lean and a great weight for long distance running, look up Scott Jurek.

Some speed work will make you faster and strength training is great for recovery too, but saying that will allow you to complete 100 mile races with good success without doing some 30-40 mile runs is plan old stupid. Your body needs to adjust to that and your mind does too. Ultra running and running in general is so much about your mental strength.
I have seen and heard more and more people in Newport getting hurt doing CF, it is crazy. From the top of the business to the 28 yr old girl trying to get fit for her wedding and ending up in the hospital not able to move her ballooned up arms. CRAZY! I dated a girl that tore her biceps tendon after two months of CF and I just found out she is back doing it...You don't get hurt in the weight room, that is defeating the purpose...

The real runners in that thread tear @FE a new one...if you don't want to mine the comments, most of the good ones are already posted here.

Also, regarding the "ballooned up arms" comment above...apparently doing @F from the beginning, before there was a "@F", STILL doesn't give protection from compartment syndrome of the arms, a precursor to rhabdo.

See evidence here, in Eva T herself after a 100-pullup workout:
http://skievat.blogspot.com/2007_02_01_ ... 7802518744

We call it "butt arms" and you can see why...overuse and too much eccentric movement caused my arms to ache and swell.

Beelzebub is too fucking self-important to perpetuate the hate, but delurks to start talking shit about shoes about a general apathy towards the subject of hating?

Nobody has anything but Castro being smarmy and stupid, and fucking Budding puddingmouthing his way around sport science terms he doesn't know the meanings of, just like Glassman, and all these idiot spaz fests they call WODs nowadays. While I think most WODs suck dick, the Glassman WODs maintained a kind of retarded internal consistency fueled by herb and gin and big fucking titties. Oh, and Andrew Wilson spending his entire fucking winter break editing screenshots about rhabdo and slap tears.

I can't even watch Starrett's vids anymore because it's fucking awful to see a guy try to prehab movements that HE KNOWS are an orthopedic nightmare. "Hello supple warriors! Today I'm going to tell you how you can avoid fucking your shit up with the sumo deadlift high pull! Oh, wait, you can't, the movement is unredeemable, especially from a fucking doctor of physical therapy's viewpoint."

The nightmare has come to pass. @F is too big to fucking fail now, and I can only hope that future events will further degrade the brand and it slides into senility like spinning and step aerobics and Nike's SPARQ and all that other bullshit.

We've lost the war. We're now just terrorists ticks hanging from the gin bloated jowls of the couch.

To top it off, even more, seeing guys like Jesse Burdick and Mark Bell riding the wave of Crossfit stupidity by catering to the growing legions of "strength-bias" turd burglers is just fucking INCONCEIVABLE.

Fuck it. Lets go bowling.

"Forged Clothing"

Meh.

Go fuck your hat, Dan.

T200 wrote:Wait, is Shaf no longer a power bear?

Oh he has to be, he's the honorary Captain.

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:To top it off, even more, seeing guys like Jesse Burdick and Mark Bell riding the wave of Crossfit stupidity by catering to the growing legions of "strength-bias" turd burglers is just fucking INCONCEIVABLE.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ + EQUIPMENT

The powerlifting meet (w/ a fucked up Cultfit division) was not exactly the smoothest meets, according to the scuttlebutt. Almost as if a crossfit gym wasn't sure how to put on a powerlifting meet. Imagine.

It's like some remedial scout movement with everyone thinking of certs like badges:

Well Brown Owl I've got my Endurance badge, I've got my Westside badge, I've got my Striking badge, I've got my Slap Tear badge, I've got my Empirical Arrogance badge and I've got my Total Clusterfuck badge. Totally bummed I missed out on the Buddy Lee fireside singalong though because I can't call myself truly elite. But hey, Brown Owl, you defined the 10 principles of scouting and told us to toast marshmallows on our own terms so ain't nobody toasting marshmallows better than us.

That was well played.

Not so much "hate inspiring" just funny same-old shit over and over: The silence on the other end of the line when a Kool-aid drinking @fitter finds out the truth.*

Well they (Tababata testers) weren't exactly coming off the couch. They werent athletes but they were training 3-4 times a week. The evidence that sprinting increases aerobic capacity is there. But doing more research tells a different story.

In the Tabata study, the HIIT group stopped seeing any benefits around the 3 week mark.

Its simply not possible for a sprinter to match the aerobic endurance of a long distance runner. And so far nobody from Crossfit has proven that statement correct.

@Fitter wrote:-I don't believe anyone from CrossFit has said a “sprinter can match the endurance of a long distance runner.” What other straw-man have you got?

http://www.crossfit.com/cf-info/faq.html

4. Sprinters can match the cardiovascular performance of endurance athletes even at extended efforts.

*I long ago found the truth of @Fit through injury

Shafpocalypse Now wrote:We've lost the war. We're now just terrorists ticks hanging from the gin bloated jowls of the couch.

Fine. Then we'll hang on until his jowels are dry and the world is purged of @F stupidity.

Shaf, quit harshing our buzz, man.

“Be smart,” Wagner advises people considering CrossFitting while pregnant. “You’re not going to PR. Who cares about the time? Get a good workout to stay healthy and listen to your body.”

http://journal.crossfit.com/2011/01/tan ... ticleTitle

Ironically, not too far off from what most people here have said:

“Be smart,” Wagner advises people considering CrossFit. “You’re not going to PR every day or every week. Who cares about the time? Get a good workout to stay healthy and listen to your body.”

LULZ

Yes I Have Balls wrote:

“Be smart,” Wagner advises people considering CrossFitting while pregnant. “You’re not going to PR. Who cares about the time? Get a good workout to stay healthy and listen to your body.”

http://journal.crossfit.com/2011/01/tan ... ticleTitle

Ironically, not too far off from what most people here have said:

“Be smart,” Wagner advises people considering CrossFit. “You’re not going to PR every day or every week. Who cares about the time? Get a good workout to stay healthy and listen to your body.”

LULZ

Dave Wagner is a solid guy. Affiliate Number 1 and they still probably have one of the lowest injury rates around and the least number of kooltards posting on the main board.

His level 1-4 standards for fitness are still ghey and stupid.

*****

How does @fit prepare the @fit-trained trainer to write there own stuff for their box without it looking like the same old boolsheet?

Here some recent examples which repeat every other month or when I monitor the training blog of some of "@fit masters" in close vicinity:

"My New Year's Resolution is to warm up prior to working out and stretch afterward." - @fit master of 5yrs
-The usual inspiration for this "destined to fail"? Increasing accounts of shoulder, lower back, and knee issues labeled as DNF for most of the daily workouts the "masters" created after their handpicked group of "masters" had their @fit cert class (taxpayers flip the bill on this nonsense and then we go through crazy budget cuts immediately following). It appears that the "masters" are going backwards from the revolution they claimed to have perfected. But those are just mere words. In observation of a few of the "masters" warm ups, they are triplets circuits of @fit wods. I never thought in an occupation that requires adaptation to a given situation, "masters" would still use the same hammer that smashed their "thumb", to fix their "thumb". The solution, smashed the whole "hand" over time, obviously.

"...trying to figure out how to program the strength stuff." - same @fit master of 5 yrs
-I never knew training to get strong was so trivial. Following this statement, the "master" increased FGB to once a week along with Tabata protocol on a versaclimber to 3 times a week prior or after a regular @fit wod circuit. There was one attempt on that linda wod. I don't find it to be the best in developing strength as I've seen more injury increases than strength increases. Watching 200+lb guys do linda as rxed, but sloppy, then puking before it's even finished...the "master" tells them that they are better people for puking. The "master" must have told his vagina the same thing if she did gag on his detachable penis. I say if, for good reason...it can still procreate at least a couple times though.

Career at a glance

Angeles Crest 100 mile run, 2007 34th 27:39
Western States 100 mile run, 2006, 89th, 26:47
Mt Disappointment 50k run, 2006, 26th, 5:47:11
Ironman Canada 2004 478th, 11:33:47

Wait so B-MacNCheese hasn't even competed in the last 3-4 years?? And when did CFE start? 2005-2006?

So he was able to coast off of his previous endurance base for ~1 year after starting CFE before finally hitting the pavement and hasn't been able to run since. Wasn't that about how long it took Twight to start seeing the decreased endurance performance from CF?

And his evidence that CFE "works" is that he has run 3 races and not done particularly well in any of them??

How the fuck are there people stupid enough to still be listening to this guy?!?!

CharlieBob wrote:

Career at a glance

Angeles Crest 100 mile run, 2007 34th 27:39
Western States 100 mile run, 2006, 89th, 26:47
Mt Disappointment 50k run, 2006, 26th, 5:47:11
Ironman Canada 2004 478th, 11:33:47

Wait so B-MacNCheese hasn't even competed in the last 3-4 years?? And when did CFE start? 2005-2006?

So he was able to coast off of his previous endurance base for ~1 year after starting CFE before finally hitting the pavement and hasn't been able to run since. Wasn't that about how long it took Twight to start seeing the decreased endurance performance from CF?

And his evidence that CFE "works" is that he has run 3 races and not done particularly well in any of them??

How the fuck are there people stupid enough to still be listening to this guy?!?!

To answer your questions, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, and I dunno.

I was on the CFE train for awhile and I've gradually come to the exact same conclusions as Mr. Twight. I'm not a huge Twight fan but he had the sense to recognize that intensity does not replace volume.

kreator wrote:

CharlieBob wrote:

Career at a glance

Angeles Crest 100 mile run, 2007 34th 27:39
Western States 100 mile run, 2006, 89th, 26:47
Mt Disappointment 50k run, 2006, 26th, 5:47:11
Ironman Canada 2004 478th, 11:33:47

Wait so B-MacNCheese hasn't even competed in the last 3-4 years?? And when did CFE start? 2005-2006?

So he was able to coast off of his previous endurance base for ~1 year after starting CFE before finally hitting the pavement and hasn't been able to run since. Wasn't that about how long it took Twight to start seeing the decreased endurance performance from CF?

And his evidence that CFE "works" is that he has run 3 races and not done particularly well in any of them??

How the fuck are there people stupid enough to still be listening to this guy?!?!

To answer your questions, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, and I dunno.

I was on the CFE train for awhile and I've gradually come to the exact same conclusions as Mr. Twight. I'm not a huge Twight fan but he had the sense to recognize that intensity does not replace volume.

Replace I dunno with about two years of experimentation after nearly failing one race. http://www.gymjones.com/knowledge.php?id=8

The results of my test suggested to me that short duration, high intensity circuits in the gym combined with high intensity intervals are indeed very good preparation for endurance and power endurance efforts despite the short duration of the workouts. That said, it must be understood that these workouts were not undertaken in a vacuum; they were used to sharpen a 20-year endurance base gained by training and climbing at intensities specific to long endurance effort. The same results would not be produced in the athlete without a similar aerobic base and one downside of training exclusively at high intensity showed up quite quickly.

On a lark, I raced in the North American Ski Mountaineering Championships one week after the Powderkeg race but the moderate workout I did midweek was enough to crash my recovery progress and I blew up halfway into the race then struggled to finish. During the two years since that race I have learned - through personal experimentation and experience and discussion with coaches and scientists smarter than me - that recovery must be trained, and recovery adaptations occur just like the compensatory reaction to imposed athletic demands. Similarly, it is now absolutely clear that there is no such thing as a free lunch and there never was: to go long you have to go long, if you want genuine endurance and/or multi-day endurance you have to train it. Period.

The career at a glance for Mayor McCheeze is funny in that the list of DNF/DNS is longer than what he's finished.

I've done a bit of searching on the Intertubes and I've yet to find more than a handful of ultras that he has actually finished. Yet he claims here that he's done over 30.
http://strongerfasterhealthier.com/athletes/2

Would be very interested to know which 30. Especially interested to know if he's counting his aborted solo run through Badwater among those.

kreator wrote:I've done a bit of searching on the Intertubes and I've yet to find more than a handful of ultras that he has actually finished. Yet he claims here that he's done over 30.
http://strongerfasterhealthier.com/athletes/2

Would be very interested to know which 30. Especially interested to know if he's counting his aborted solo run through Badwater among those.

30 my ass.

Checking against Athlinks.com, unless he lived somewhere other than California (highly doubtful), it's not 30 races.

kreator wrote:I've done a bit of searching on the Intertubes and I've yet to find more than a handful of ultras that he has actually finished. Yet he claims here that he's done over 30.
http://strongerfasterhealthier.com/athletes/2

Would be very interested to know which 30. Especially interested to know if he's counting his aborted solo run through Badwater among those.

The article says he competed in the events, it never said that he finished them !

friedquads wrote:

kreator wrote:I've done a bit of searching on the Intertubes and I've yet to find more than a handful of ultras that he has actually finished. Yet he claims here that he's done over 30.
http://strongerfasterhealthier.com/athletes/2

Would be very interested to know which 30. Especially interested to know if he's counting his aborted solo run through Badwater among those.

30 my ass.

Checking against Athlinks.com, unless he lived somewhere other than California (highly doubtful), it's not 30 races.

mayormccheezeresults.jpg

Wait, a guy with a 3:45 marathon is the head of CFE? I mean, seriously? That's an hour too slow even for somebody without any talent. No wonder he's so down on "long slow distance" running - he's friggin' bad at it.

Don't get me wrong, breaking 4h is a good mark for a recreational runner, but you expect more from somebody who claims to have teh secret knowledges. You expect him to at least post a qualifying time for Boston (he wouldn't even qualify as a woman!).

He's a faggot. I'd like to feed him his own asshole.

Give me a 40mg oxy, a little smokey off the methamphetamine peace pipe, a handful of cyclobenzaprine and some mibolerone and I'll crush this homo and I haven't run farther than 400m in a 6 years and not more than 100m in the last 3 years.

And my farthest ever run was 6 miles, amazingly accomplished about 12 years ago powered by the promise of sweet, sweet pussy.

I don't really know or care who you are talking about but fuck him.

T200 wrote:Give me a 40mg oxy, a little smokey off the methamphetamine peace pipe, a handful of cyclobenzaprine and some mibolerone and I'll crush this homo and I haven't run farther than 400m in a 6 years and not more than 100m in the last 3 years.

And my farthest ever run was 6 miles, amazingly accomplished about 12 years ago powered by the promise of sweet, sweet pussy.

I don't really know or care who you are talking about but fuck him.

liar, we all know the pussy threshold is 13 miles.