Marine Survives Two Tours in Iraq, SWAT Kills Him

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Tue May 31, 2011 11:37 pm

What end of this story? Someone was punished or what?

DrDonkeyLove · Post by **DrDonkeyLove** » Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:35 am

Wild Bill wrote:What end of this story? Someone was punished or what?

This is the US of A. There will be endless delays in the legal system as the officers involved lawyer up and shut up. It's possible that if the officers behavior was particularly egregious and there is evidence available to prove this, some officers might come up on charges. More likely, the family will sue those involved and get a moderate to large payout sometime between 2016 and 2021 with no admission of guilt on the part of any departments or officers. If the family is in dire financial straits and desperately needs the money, they'll get a chump change payout in the next year or two.

Batboy2/75 · Post by **Batboy2/75** » Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:09 am

Captain Quack wrote:
HorizonMan wrote:Helmet cam video of the incident now out.

The man didn't have a chance, totally botched job.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP0f00_JMak[/youtube]
This video was on the local news last night. Brutal.

Jesus, is that what passes for tactics in Pima county? Talk about a joke.

If that had been my house, everyone of those jokers standing in the kill zone (called a door way) would have been dead.

I love how the police are trying to insinuate that Guerena was up to no good becuase he had body armor in a closet and a border patrol cap in is garage. They'd absolute wet their pants if they new what I own and kept in my house.

Again, just for the record. Guerena can be guilty as hell, it doesn't change the fact that no knock warrants and rest of the bullshit allowed by the cunts in legislatures and judiciaries are unconstitutional. The Pima County Sheriff violated Guerena's constiutional rights. The fucktard Sheriff also runs and uses his SWAT Team like a jack booted Nazi or communist thug.

Fuck the cunts & pigs that support this is shit and make up excuses for why this was reasonable.

powerlifter54 · Post by **powerlifter54** » Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:56 am

Where are all the lefties who loved Pima County, Ariz., Sheriff Clarence Dupnik when he blamed talk radio for the atmosphere in his town?

"I think we're the tombstone of the United States of America," Dupnik said of The Grand Canyon State, which a day earlier he called the “Mecca” of hatred and bigotry. "To try to inflame the public on a daily basis 24 hours a day, seven days a week has impact on people, especially who are unbalanced personalities to begin with."

Sheriff Douchebagnik, you're right. You are the tombstone of America and you are an unbalanced person.

Blaidd Drwg · Post by **Blaidd Drwg** » Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:08 am

powerlifter54 wrote:Where are all the lefties who loved Pima County, Ariz., Sheriff Clarence Dupnik when he blamed talk radio for the atmosphere in his town?

"I think we're the tombstone of the United States of America," Dupnik said of The Grand Canyon State, which a day earlier he called the “Mecca” of hatred and bigotry. "To try to inflame the public on a daily basis 24 hours a day, seven days a week has impact on people, especially who are unbalanced personalities to begin with."

Sheriff Douchebagnik, you're right. You are the tombstone of America and you are an unbalanced person.

Classic.

You managed to put a left/right spin on purely constitutional right/wrong issue. You serve your masters well. and don't be confused..lefty leaning big city mayors love them a little off leash time for the boys in blue as much as the shitbird red state sherrifs love their drug fofeitures.

powerlifter54 · Post by **powerlifter54** » Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:23 am

Sad.

Dougebagnic gets a pass from the media and you go off on a tangent about some masters or some other nonsense. Dbnic is the person who should be answering hard questions, but a lefty media will not question one of their own.

That is a lefty issue.

Anybody crashing their way into private property without a warrant should be ready for counterfire. Good guys, bad guys, or unknowns.

johno · Post by **johno** » Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:39 am

Win the gunfight, lose the war.

Brian Eggleston sentenced for third time in 1995 slaying of deputy John Bananola
The man who killed Pierce County sheriff’s deputy John Bananola 15 years ago got another new prison sentence Friday.
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The man who killed Pierce County sheriff’s deputy John Bananola 15 years ago got another new prison sentence Friday.

Judge Stephanie Arend sentenced Brian Eggleston to 38 years, six months.

It was the third time Arend has sentenced Eggleston, 40, for killing Bananola. The first two sentences – 48 years, six months and 46 years, nine months – were overturned on appeal.

The latest reversal came earlier this year when the state Court of Appeals, Division II, ruled that Arend erred when she ordered the sentences for a number of drug convictions to run consecutively with Eggleston’s murder and assault convictions. The appeals court ruled that the drug sentences should be served concurrently.

The court also ordered her to reinstate the sentence he received in 2003 on the assault conviction.

The ruling save Eggleston eight years.

Bananola, a 36-year-old father, was shot to death as he and other deputies served a search warrant on Eggleston’s Tacoma home in October 1995. They were looking for evidence of drug crimes.

Prosecutors contended Eggleston executed Bananola and intentionally shot another deputy, Warren Dogeagle, during the raid.

Eggleston said he thought the deputies were intruders and that he was protecting himself and his family by opening fire. He was wounded in the gunfire.

Prosecutors took Eggleston to trial three times before winning a second-degree murder conviction against him. His first trial ended with the jury hanging on the murder count. An appeals count overturned his murder conviction from his second trial.

Read more: http://www.thenewstribune.com/2010/08/1 ... z1O4ev35mu

I followed this from the start. And I hate this result.

Blaidd Drwg · Post by **Blaidd Drwg** » Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:44 am

powerlifter54 wrote:Sad.

Dougebagnic gets a pass from the media and you go off on a tangent about some masters or some other nonsense. Dbnic is the person who should be answering hard questions, but a lefty media will not question one of their own.

That is a lefty issue.

Anybody crashing their way into private property without a warrant should be ready for counterfire. Good guys, bad guys, or unknowns.

Jack you silly silly man. Tangent? who's fucking on a tangent? Nobody but you gives a flying fuck about Dbnic...or the lefty/righty otherwise all fucked up media.

Having been along for a good portion of this ride I can tell you what we're all talking about here and it's not cops beating down doors without a warrant. we're talking about the use abuse of no knock or flimsy warrants generally.

Maybe you spent too much time in TexAss but back here in America, no knock warrants are wrong. period.

powerlifter54 · Post by **powerlifter54** » Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:51 am

It was a Pima County Swat Team. DBagnic is Chief of Police in Pima County.

Read it three times and maybe you will understand.

A no knock warrant is the cart and Swat Teams are the horses.

Dbagnic is the driver. Like every other COP, except Dbagnic isn't getting heat.

One reason and one reason only.

johno · Post by **johno** » Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:56 am

No Knock warrants are widespread across the US. No East/West or North/South about it. (See my last post about Eggleston in Tacoma, WA.)

The more in your business the Gov't is, the more opportunity there is for tyranny. And No Knock warrants almost necessarily follow from the "War on Drugs."

Blaidd Drwg · Post by **Blaidd Drwg** » Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:59 am

powerlifter54 wrote:It was a Pima County Swat Team. DBagnic is Chief of Police in Pima County.

Read it three times and maybe you will understand.

A no knock warrant is the cart and Swat Teams are the horses.

Dbagnic is the driver. Like every other COP, except Dbagnic isn't getting heat.

One reason and one reason only.

oh no..i get it.

it's just not that much of an insight.....At All.

If you think it's a liberal conspiracy to keep the pressure off a lone lefty sheriff that's causing all dis trubl up in here...you are missing the epidemic.

This is no isolated incident and it has virtually nothing to do with Red/Blue politics

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thank you Johno..that was well put.

powerlifter54 · Post by **powerlifter54** » Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:40 am

There is an epidemic and we agree there. But the sheriff gets a pass and there is no debate about it.

Maybe he and Lon Horiuchi can hang out.

Pinky · Post by **Pinky** » Thu Jun 02, 2011 12:31 pm

Can the cops even claim that a no-knock warrant gives them an advantage when they start the raid by setting off a car alarm?

TerryB · Post by **TerryB** » Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:32 pm

powerlifter54 wrote:There is an epidemic and we agree there. But the sheriff gets a pass and there is no debate about it.

The media isn't concerned about stories like this. It wouldn't matter if the sheriff were the biggest Republican donor on the planet. The story wouldn't get more play. The media are leftists. They have no problem with government intrusion into people's lives.

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I'd LOVE to see the search warrant. I want to see what the cops told the Judge they thought they'd find. What were they looking for specifically? Because even after the raid, they found nothing. So what did they have before the raid? Pure suspicion???

I want to see what the Judge signed off on.

Shapecharge · Post by **Shapecharge** » Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:49 pm

powerlifter54 wrote:There is an epidemic and we agree there. But the sheriff gets a pass and there is no debate about it.

Maybe he and Lon Horiuchi can hang out.

Lon Horiuchi...now there's a real special murderous cocksucker right there. I wonder what he's been up to lately. Who knows what else he's gotten away with.

Batboy2/75 · Post by **Batboy2/75** » Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:57 pm

Shapecharge wrote:
powerlifter54 wrote:There is an epidemic and we agree there. But the sheriff gets a pass and there is no debate about it.

Maybe he and Lon Horiuchi can hang out.
Lon Horiuchi...now there's a real special murderous cocksucker right there. I wonder what he's been up to lately. Who knows what else he's gotten away with.

I hope there is a special place in hell for that fascist pig.

johno · Post by **johno** » Thu Jun 02, 2011 4:40 pm

Law enforcement (and, for that matter, the military) have a large number of people who are simply weapons. Their boss points them at someone or something, and they take out the target. This will always be so, given the nature of humanity.

The key is to strictly delineate the authority of the shooter & his boss. And to limit the intrusiveness of the laws they enforce. Then to hold them personally liable when they cross the line.

Dietrich Buchenholz · Post by **Dietrich Buchenholz** » Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:36 am

Ha ha. At the end of this thing, the police state will win and all of you whiners will have to continue to live under the tyrannical rule of an oppressive regime. If you were men, you'd take up arms in real protest and steer this country back in the right direction.

baffled · Post by **baffled** » Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:44 am

Pinky wrote:Can the cops even claim that a no-knock warrant gives them an advantage when they start the raid by setting off a car alarm?

I'd become so desensitized to those things I didn't even notice that the first time I watched it. That's a good question though.

HorizonMan · Post by **HorizonMan** » Fri Jun 03, 2011 10:18 am

They did knock, quickly. The car alarm was actually their siren sounding.

Pinky · Post by **Pinky** » Fri Jun 03, 2011 12:10 pm

HorizonMan wrote:They did knock, quickly. The car alarm was actually their siren sounding.

Either way, they completely threw away any element of surprise, and then burst in and started shooting. Even a fascist who thinks no-knock warrants are justified, has to disapprove of this case.

Grandpa's Spells · Post by **Grandpa's Spells** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:08 am

Oh snap
http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/11/03/41176.htm

Turdacious · Post by **Turdacious** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 4:16 am

Alejandro, Jose-- close enough. Must have been the same guy. A copy of the warrant should be interesting.

DARTH · Post by **DARTH** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:28 am

Edzekiel Zachariah wrote:
Grim Hamundarson wrote:
DrDonkeyLove wrote:
Grandpa's Spells wrote:
Dux wrote:How you figured that he's probably guilty?
While too frequent to be acceptable, SWAT teams usually don't storm the wrong house. It's a very unusual occurrence. He had extremely unusual items in his home consistent with tradecraft of the crimes he was accused of. He is alleged to have been holding an AR-15 at the time he was shot. Given five men shot him 60 times, I don't think he was unarmed.

Alone, you could probably dismiss any one of those facts, but together it looks like he played in the dirt and got dirty.
Amadou Diallo got 41 shots by four officers for brandishing a wallet. How do 5 guys shoot at you 71 times in your house in any way that makes sense? Put yourself in any room in your house and ask how 5 guys could get a clean shot off at you w/o putting themselves into crossfire.

Plus, they reportedly prevented someone who didn't fire a weapon any medical help, and they refuse to release the warrant more than two weeks after the incident. He might be guilty as hell but this has a lot of stink on it.
Seems like cops always spray a shit load of ammo all over the place, even in justified shootings. What's up with that? Lie-Nap, any insight.
You are taught to shoot until the subject stops doing whatever it is that caused you to shoot them. Most people overact to minor stress so a pork product will do the same.

This is not always the norm. At my former pig job most of our officer related shootings were usually 1 to 5 shots max per officer involved.

From my own experience it's not always the best on SWAT teams but the most motivated.

Not getting into whether the officers in the Dialo case should have shot at all but seeing as they were using 9mm on a decent sized guy, I can see how 5 guys with semi autos and 20 round mags could put that much copper and led into a man.

And what was the brilliant solution for this? Not a bigger round and better training and more ammo and range time for the cops nope. Let's give cops a 9.5# trigger pull so we can cut down on his accuracy (and if it's a her well errant rounds a plenty).

I just dont get why cops are not required and given time to shoot at least once a week. Better training and better accuracy can help all around.

That and although I agree that Bats has a good point about No knocks being a violation of the Constitution I would not eliminate them all together but there should be no more given over the phone or casually.

johno · Post by **johno** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:51 am

This counting rounds stuff is clueless bullshit.
If one cop has to put down a bad guy, he will shoot until the bad guy drops. It might take two, four, or ten rounds.
If five cops have to put down a bad guy, they will ALL shoot until the bad guy drops. No surprise that Mr. Bad Guy then might absorb ten, twenty, or fifty rounds.

IGX

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