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Dan Martin wrote:I think the real test will be whether Reebok pays the winners or not.

I don't seriously believe that's a likely outcome. It's far more likely that they'll look at their sales over a couple of quarters, project it out over a couple more, say "Fuck it." and leave HQ at the altar.

i wanna see reebok do a hostile takeover and make crossfit into some corporate douchetasticness that goes against everything crossfit says they hate. out with hq, in with faceless, overseas middle management.

i'd be willing to bet programming would improve...

while posting the above was merely a whim, after 45seconds of contemplation, i'm beginning to see a conspiracy.

@fit has continuously set itself apart as better than globogyms and i imagine their meteoric growth could have developed a cabal of shadowy 24hr fitness overlords to work a long term plan to take out crapfit from within. by mutating assfit into a globogym.

they're using crossfit's own 'everything is crossfit' platitude against them. maybe it turns out that everything is globo.

sanchezero wrote: i'd be willing to bet programming would improve...

This is all it would take for the mainpage programming to improve:

WildGorillaMan wrote:

Dan Martin wrote:I think the real test will be whether Reebok pays the winners or not.

I don't seriously believe that's a likely outcome. It's far more likely that they'll look at their sales over a couple of quarters, project it out over a couple more, say "Fuck it." and leave HQ at the altar.

I agree. Sometime between this gaymes and the next one, as R@@bok realizes that trying to put @F classes into aerobic rooms of globo gyms just won't work, that there are too many merchandisers dividing the @Fers from their money already, and that there is really no way to save their reputation as a crappy shoemaker by going 3L333T fitnus.

To me, that's an unrealistic response. Reebok is going to be be so off-put by the Gaymes, they are going to cut their loses ASAP.

Originally Posted by Emily Mattes View Post
... please explain how encouraging the use of scaled forms of exercise that emphasize the eccentric portion of the movement--like jumping negatives--is a good thing in light of the heightened risk of rhabdomyolysis that results from them.

No one ever forced you to use a particular scaling variety. CF.com cannot be held responsible for poor coaching or poor decision-making.

Oh, teh luls.

http://board.crossfit.com/showthread.php?t=68418&page=9

Yes I Have Balls wrote:

Originally Posted by Emily Mattes View Post
... please explain how encouraging the use of scaled forms of exercise that emphasize the eccentric portion of the movement--like jumping negatives--is a good thing in light of the heightened risk of rhabdomyolysis that results from them.

No one ever forced you to use a particular scaling variety. CF.com cannot be held responsible for poor coaching or poor decision-making.

Oh, teh luls.

http://board.crossfit.com/showthread.php?t=68418&page=9

The interesting thing I noticed glancing through those posts is that it is usually the people who have been around a few years who are questioning the wisdom of HQ (unless they're a box owner). It is the recent converts who are the most vehement in their defense of the (lack of) programming. Does it get any more cultlike than that ?

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Totally not what I was hoping for.

Big Ass Fans are cool. Been in a couple of barns that have them.

On a related note, I'd like to feed a few @Fers through a wood chipper.

Barns...big asses....where are the country girl photos???????????

Shafman wrote:BMac is showing his stupid again.

Peaking is difficult, sometimes seemingly impossible, however, the alternative to preparation is losing.

If a 100m runner doesn't prepare, he doesn't run fast.
If a 100 mile runner doesn't prepare, he doesn't finish (Does that sound familiar, Bmac, you stupid fuck?)
If an OL doesn't prepare, he doesn't hit a PR.
If a PL doesn't prepare, he doesn't hit a PR.
If a rugby player doesn't prepare, he sits the sidelines

Etc.

Here's the benchmark: If it's in the CFJ, it's stupid, wrong, misleading, a lie, or possibly all of those. Period.

BMAC's popularity is the most confusing aspect of the whole deal. Recovering @Fers, speak up. How is this man who can't finish a race your endurance guru?

Gin Master wrote:BMAC's popularity is the most confusing aspect of the whole deal. Recovering @Fers, speak up. How is this man who can't finish a race your endurance guru?

They've already accepted a man who has never competed, never produced a top athlete, and who doesn't even exercise as their exercise guru.

BMAC was an easy sell.

Cave Canem wrote: Does it get any more cultlike than that ?

Also, 95-99% of all members in a given gym are simply not good enough, nor do they have goals that warrant individualized programming.

I finally read through the article in question. Garbage. They try to meld the whole "ready for everything" shit that @Fit tries to defend itself with and make it transfer over to legit competitions.

The last bit just makes me laugh:

Here is the frightening part of this type of thinking (as if it
weren’t bad enough already): no matter how you evaluate
the information we present here, you cannot argue that
the percentages do not add up against the peaking approach

...No coach in his or her right mind would try to do this after looking at the abject
failure of the paradigm, yet year after year, contract after
lucrative contract is given to those who create programs
that are based on a failed system—a system that only
works 30 percent of the time.

Replace peaking with @Fit Endurance and the paragraph makes equal sense. And Mayor McCheeze can't even look at his own failures and consider that maybe his own programming is his undoing.

And this little gem...

Remember, folks, C is a passing grade, and a C is 70 percent and above.

Because in this new day and age for the Honor Roll, a C is better than an A.

Here is the frightening part of this type of thinking (as if it weren’t bad enough already): no matter how you evaluate the information we present here, you cannot argue that the percentages do not add up against the peaking approach.

...No coach in his or her right mind would try to do this after looking at the abject failure of the paradigm, yet year after year, contract after lucrative contract is given to those who create programs that are based on a failed system—a system that only works 30 percent of the time.

Wait...so only 30% of the athletes who win elite specialist real sports practice peaking?

All real athletes peak, or try to. To argue against the idea of trying to have your best day on meet day is the pinnacle of stupidity.

Now, of course it doesn't always work, biorhythms just don't always coincide with meet day. Shitty sleep. Travel. Different food. Nerves. Shoe meeeeeeeltdowns. Falls off the rings. Note that they all go out and still give world-class performances IN A REAL SPORT, it just may not be a SB or a PR or a world record.

Oh wait. We're talking about a guy who comes from an exercise shenanigans background where "world records" are set every event because they keep changing the goalposts.

Let's not overanalyze this shit, guys...

@fit sucks

Bmack sucks

Couch sucks

Anthony Roberts sucks

Anything they spit out sucks, and Reebok has always sucked.

Its a match made in heaven and motherfuckers like us are laughing our yambags off at them

Jay wrote:Let's not overanalyze this shit, guys...

@fit sucks

Its a match made in heaven and motherfuckers like us are laughing our yambags off at them

CrossFit says: Don't be such a hater, Jay.

jay and quack are like divorced guys obsessing over their ex.

they hate her. they're glad to be quit of her. they disparage her to anyone who will listen. but they just can't get her snapping turtle pussy out of their minds.

Stop the presses. Tell us more about this pussy.

Yes I Have Balls wrote: Oh, teh luls.

http://board.crossfit.com/showthread.php?t=68418&page=9

Indeed. That discussion is headed for the Lisbeth banning in 3...2...1

Probably the last line in that thread:

People still quote Greg Glassman like the things he says are actually applicable to successful training?

I think that "Every workout is a competition" bullshit is starting to infect people. CFer's constantly confused a fitness challenge or test with training. THat is the only thing (other than just plain stupidity) that explains the comments in the that thread saying running 800 meters 3 days in a row plus other shit is a good idea. Sure, it's great way to test endurance, both mental and physical, but it's a stupid fucking way to get fitter.

THis could also explain BMacs problem with peaking. If every training session is a competition, you can't peak because you expect to be in top shape at all times.

No other sport trains this way. Weightlifter don't warm up then try to hit 3 pr's on the snatch and 3 on the C&J and go home, football players don't just play for an hour 5 days a week to prepare for sunday.

It's a fine selling point and probably isn't a bad idea for newbs who have done no physical training before, but once you are about 2-3 months (at the latest), it starts to be counter productive.

Y'all are just bad at cipherin' ineluctible mathematical realities.

Look at it this way: IF every athletic competition was between 2 people only, then peaking could ONLY have a 50% success rate in producing winners.

Since there are many competitions in which there are more than 2 competitors, but there can still only be one winner, then OBVIOUSLY peaking has way less than a 50% success rate.

-hic-

I don't want the couch thread to actually have any decent training discussion, so here's Andrew Wilson's Rhabdo count.

191

That's 191 cases of rhabdo reported on forums, facebook, and affiliate blogs. All caused by @F.

He's not posting the numbers for them, but there are shitloads of:

Slap tears
Achilles injuries, both partial and full tears
ACL injuries
Back injuries

Rhabdo, SLAP tears, Achilles tears - these pretty much leave you damaged for life.
ACL and Back injuries - you can come back from them, but you cannot use @F as your rehab, if the injury isn't too severe.

I would bet that the current leg humping against periodization is a misunderstanding of Louie Simmons' stuff, Louie being the new expert to misunderstand. (Someone at coochfit probably saw the shirtless training / tatoo pictures from Westside and said "Hello, Frisco!") Louie talks about conjugate periodization, which I think he may actually have confused with the concurrent system, but who cares. But part of the idea there is, some sports, you can't peak for a few meets a year, some sports you need to be physically prepared for your sport for a whole long season.

Of course nobody except kookfit interprets that to mean that periodization is useless, most still find it useful to organize training with different emphases in different parts of the year, or year to year. Any decent athlete knows you can't be at your competitive best at all times. Only the mediocre can be at their best 24/7/365.

It seems what we have here is the highly successful and respected Russian system being reinterpreted / reapplied as the highly successful and respected Westside method being misinterpreted / misapplied by a kooky fitness cult. If you aren't sure which to follow, it would probably be best to do a gold medal count or a world record count.

Only the mediocre can be at their best 24/7/365

That is heartbreakingly beautiful.