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Lisbeth wrote:What I would urge you to do is just take a moment and consider your own life: Is it perfect? Have you never done anything a little fun and crazy with your kids? Something that someone else might look over your shoulder and condemn?

If you are perfect, please feel free to comment. And if you're not, then maybe the comments already posted are enough -- and it's time to lay off some great people (and parents) who submitted a funny photo. Thanks.

Lisbeth wrote:What I would urge you to do is just take a moment and consider your own life: Is it perfect? Have you never done anything a little fun and crazy with your kids? Something that someone else might look over your shoulder and condemn?

If you are perfect, please feel free to comment. And if you're not, then maybe the comments already posted are enough -- and it's time to lay off some great people (and parents) who submitted a funny photo. Thanks.

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I'm not perfect....but I have Common fucking sense! It's the @fit culture now that people try to out do each other with crazier and crazier photos until they actually kill them selves or someone else...The photo is not funny, it's idiotic! Whats next...Wall balls with the baby

I use my child to anchor my bands on DE day.

RudyK wrote:

Lisbeth wrote:What I would urge you to do is just take a moment and consider your own life: Is it perfect? Have you never done anything a little fun and crazy with your kids? Something that someone else might look over your shoulder and condemn?

If you are perfect, please feel free to comment. And if you're not, then maybe the comments already posted are enough -- and it's time to lay off some great people (and parents) who submitted a funny photo. Thanks.

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1. No, i have never held 135 pounds over my kids head. First becasue i would not endanger their lives. Second 135 is a warmup weight..for me at least.

2. These are not great people and not great parents. Was Micheal jackson a great parent when he dangled his son over the balcony edge?

Crossfit is a family activity. Bring your kids along from an early age and get them involved. That baby is a Crossfit Games future champion. No question about it.

This guy may have destroyed his business with that one photo. He and his wife have already called Lizard Breath to have the photo taken down from the affiliate site. But, get this, she can't "unpublish" it because that's not the @fit way !
If that was the couch, I bet it would come down in a New York minute.

I hope this kid survives long enough so when he grows up he can kick his dads ass for being a douche and slap his mom for being a cunt.

Download it and re-publish to imageshack and flickr. No escape.

Cave Canem wrote:

Ed Zachary wrote:Das Night mensch is correct.

A waiver isn't a shield against negligence.

In this case, it was. And it was upheld on appeal. And as much as I hate @fit HQ, not all (many but not all) the individual gym owners are mind numbed robotic swine. Without more details of the case, it is wrong to speculate that it was the result of negligence even though negligence was alleged. Negligence is always alleged when someone wants a payoff. This person fell and broke her arm, for all anyone really knows, she could have tripped on her own fat feet on her way to the rest room.
And at least this owner was smart enough to have all his legal ducks in a row with a comprehensive signed waiver and health assessment. The first @fit box I walked into, the only thing I had to sign was a check.

This could happen to anyone who trains people for a living whether they have a PhD in exercise science or are just some schmuck with a 2 day seminar certification. In fact the PhD might be held to a higher standard based on their education.

I'll try to add a little to this. I know the jurisdiction, the judges, and the firm who defended teh box.

First of all, this case was filed in district court in Colin County, Texas, then taken up before the Texas Court of Appeals--Dallas district. Without knowing anything about the lawsuit, you can assume the plaintiff is going to fucked. That's how it is here.

Second, it sounds like Quintana is a fat black woman. This does not bode well for her in front of a Colin County jury.

Third, it looks like Quintana's lawyer is decent. Looking at the docket sheet, he got most of what he needed. He fell apart a bit at the end. As a plaintiff's lawyer, you don't want to agree to a scheduling order (setting dates and deadlines) and then ask for more time less than a week before trial. Then he screwed up his appellate brief the first time around and nearly got thrown out. That might be a payment issue with his client, though.

Now for the nuts and bolts. At common law, you can't consent to someone's potential negligence. But Texas ain't the common law. A gym provides fair notice and can be insulated from negligence if the items in the waiver are 1) "conspicuous" (big letter, caps, etc.) and 2) contain an express statement that the gym clearly intends to be released from potential negligence. This is not the same thing as fair notice of potential injury or specific acts of negligence. Basically you could write, "Our employees are @F certified, which means they don't know shit and will possibly injure, maim, or kill you. You agree, by your signature, that you cannot sue us for the negligence of these untrained assholes." That would hold up. Seriously.

04/14/2009 Notice
of Intention to Take Depo by Written Questions/Endocrine Associates

Hmmm...

Lisbeth is a fucking cow.

Her subsequent posts:

I hear you guys. The parents have heard you guys. What I'm trying to say here is that there is not much more to be gained here from piling on.

I can take the heat all day long: that's my job. Just ease up on the parents. They're good people. They've already called me. But I can't unpublish: that's not what we do at CrossFit. So, point taken by all and let's move on. Surely, there are other things in this world that need our attention now. Thanks.

Bullshit! And Gant Grimes called her on that.

Gant wrote:Stuff gets scrubbed, er, "unpublished" all the time from crossfit. Whether they're good or not is irrelevant. Good people can do stupid things. In the CF world of one-upsmanship, what's next? Fran with a baby strapped to you?

Children are not props. Holding a barbell above a baby's head is NEVER acceptable. Hopefully these young parents will learn that.

To her reply:

Ah, and so appear the usual folks who hold grudges against CrossFit to begin with. Welcome back! Time to use this incident for your own purposes, I see.

(To those who don't know of what I speak, my apologies. Your comments are heard. Seriously.)

And again, I wonder what good is piling on? Does it help at this point? Honestly? Or does it detract us all from placing our energies into positive accomplishments in this world? The point has been made, the point has been heard and acknowledged. We understand, and so do the parents, and everyone reading. Thanks for your concern. We totally and thoroughly get it. No one reading here would think to perform such an action again.

Stupid bitch.

powerlifter54 wrote:

RudyK wrote:

Lisbeth wrote:What I would urge you to do is just take a moment and consider your own life: Is it perfect? Have you never done anything a little fun and crazy with your kids? Something that someone else might look over your shoulder and condemn?

If you are perfect, please feel free to comment. And if you're not, then maybe the comments already posted are enough -- and it's time to lay off some great people (and parents) who submitted a funny photo. Thanks.

1. No, i have never held 135 pounds over my kids head. First becasue i would not endanger their lives. Second 135 is a warmup weight..for me at least.

2. These are not great people and not great parents. Was Micheal jackson a great parent when he dangled his son over the balcony edge?

1b. BMac can fix that, give him two years.

Posting it here, since it will never be approved.

WildGorillaMan wrote:Lisbeth, despite any public appearance of bad blood, I like you, I really do. But part of maturity is admitting when you're wrong, and honestly apologizing when you've gone too far. I understand that first hand.

Unpublishing stuff may or may not "be Crossfit" but refusing to back down on stuff that's patently wrong, and then going on the offence to justify an unsound position and deflect criticism by pointing the finger back at the critics certainly is Crossfit, it seems.

I know you think it's stoic and noble to buck consensus and front as a rugged individual, but cases like this the consensus is something you really ought to pay heed to.

WildGorillaMan wrote:Posting it here, since it will never be approved.

WildGorillaMan wrote:Lisbeth, despite any public appearance of bad blood, I like you, I really do. But part of maturity is admitting when you're wrong, and honestly apologizing when you've gone too far. I understand that first hand.

Unpublishing stuff may or may not "be Crossfit" but refusing to back down on stuff that's patently wrong, and then going on the offence to justify an unsound position and deflect criticism by pointing the finger back at the critics certainly is Crossfit, it seems.

I know you think it's stoic and noble to buck consensus and front as a rugged individual, but cases like this the consensus is something you really ought to pay heed to.

Well said Gorilla. Well said.

What the fuck is a Lisbeth? Are you crazy?

The "problem" as I see it, is a lack of day care at CrossFit.

WGM: LESS TALKY TALKY

MORE BOOTY BOOTY

And Gant just gets better.

Gant to the idiot Lisbeth wrote:I assume I'm "one of the usual folks who hold grudges against CrossFit to begin with." Fair enough, but I only post 3-4 times a year and you know it. I can leave well enough alone when you're throwing softballs out of bounds and getting stung by jellyfish, but this is BS. That is my only purpose here.

What good is piling on? If it was just two or three comments, you could pull a BMAC and dismiss everyone as haterz(!!!!11). But we're nearing 30 comments with a clear majority in agreement that the picture is uncool. That's instructive. And it should be instructive to you since you posted the photo and captioned it "world's fittest baby." Are you upset that the criticism is directed at the parents or at you?

I knew I liked that guy for a reason.

Dan Martin wrote:The "problem" as I see it, is a lack of day care at CrossFit.

Or that rhabdo causes brain damage.

Turdacious wrote:

Dan Martin wrote:The "problem" as I see it, is a lack of day care at CrossFit.

Or that rhabdo causes brain damage.

Assuming, there is a brain.

So, I've been told that in his presentation to US Military Brass last week that part of Couch's sales pitch was that @fit has had trainees die from rhabdo.

HQ really needs to let him off his leash more often. Let's hope the video surfaces shortly.

FFS, when I posted a while back that warriors killed others, I never dreamed that douche would attempt to kill his own child to earn that coveted title.

Comment of the week.

WildGorillaMan wrote:Comment of the week.

lol, I think this will be a new trend.

Lisbeth can find the picture cute and funny because SHE thought it WAS cute and funny!! Why else would you post the picture on the affiliate blog and title it Worlds Fittest baby? Now she is too stubborn and unprofessional to acknowledge that she made a lapse in judgement when posting this pic on the blog...truth is, she thinks the pic is cool, even though she knows it is not smart(f'ing retarded)

Barry Cooper?

Speaking from the knowledge and perspective of one who was ACTUALLY THERE when the photo was taken, it is quite clear, and very unfortunate, that the context of, and the manner in which, the photo was taken has been severely misunderstood and grossly scrutinized.

The fact that such harsh judgements and blatant character assassinations have been made without knowledge of the true facts of the captured moment is quite lamentable.

Is Barry still alive? I was thinking he might have been the first @fit suicide.