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WildGorillaMan wrote:You've earned it, Jack. Thanks for your service.

What now?

WildGorillaMan wrote:You've earned it, Jack. Thanks for your service.

What now?

Some things i am considering...

Mike Caviston wrote:Here’s a question that is not meant to be the typical CF bashing this thread is (justifiably) famous for. I’m just curious, and would like to know if anyone has any reliable information. Has anyone who is recognized as being good at CF (a “firebreather”) ever demonstrated the ability to perform at a high level in another sport? I’m not talking about someone who was successful at gymnastics or soccer or track and field before gaining some notoriety in CF. I mean, has anyone ever started with CF and then shown ability elsewhere? The concept of “good” at either CF or some other activity is subjective, so interpret it however you will. But I’m thinking along the lines of a CF games finalist who has finished in the top 10% of some contest with hundreds of competitors, or a more exclusive contest that is recognized as a major championship.

I’ve been competing in 2-3 events a month for over a year now, and at some (Indoor Rowing, Tower Running, various road races) I see whole teams of CFers. With a few exceptions, these people finish well below the mean. I’m not putting them down, since they just seem to be out to have a good time and hang out with their buddies, and they aren’t getting in anybody’s face with their “eliteness”. But what got me thinking was looking at results from this year’s CRASH-B regatta (the indoor rowing world championship). Scan through these results and see how those who “do what you do nearly as well as you” really do:

http://www.concept2.com/us/racing/crash ... asp?race=1

http://www.concept2.com/us/racing/crash ... asp?race=2

The guy at #43 has a pretty solid time, decent but not remarkable by college standards. Is he considered a “firebreather”? I recognize the name at #87, and again a respectable time, but in no way exceptional, especially if the guy tips the scales at more than 200lbs. Then at #183, the world’s best CFer. I don’t know this guy, I’m not trying to put him down, I’m sure he’s demonstrated athleticism in many other ways. But I am qualified to say that 2K erg time is just plain slow. I’ve coached several women smaller than him to faster times, and that score would land him in the third novice eight of any competitive men’s team. And there are 4-5 CFers on the list who are slower still, and the women’s results are pretty much the same.

I am not “calling out” these people or trying to insult them. I’m sure they work very hard at what they do. I’m just pointing out that their rowing ability is far below the standard of people who specialize in rowing. But that is hardly a surprise to anyone who isn’t drinking the Kool-Aid. Incidentally, I’ve coached plenty of non-rowing specialists to respectable 2K times with methods that don’t include bouncing an Olympic bar for time (i.e., "dead lifts"), bastardized calisthenics, flailing kettlebells, or Tabata anything.

coop wrote:

Mike Caviston wrote:Here’s a question that is not meant to be the typical CF bashing this thread is (justifiably) famous for. I’m just curious, and would like to know if anyone has any reliable information. Has anyone who is recognized as being good at CF (a “firebreather”) ever demonstrated the ability to perform at a high level in another sport? I’m not talking about someone who was successful at gymnastics or soccer or track and field before gaining some notoriety in CF. I mean, has anyone ever started with CF and then shown ability elsewhere? The concept of “good” at either CF or some other activity is subjective, so interpret it however you will. But I’m thinking along the lines of a CF games finalist who has finished in the top 10% of some contest with hundreds of competitors, or a more exclusive contest that is recognized as a major championship.

I’ve been competing in 2-3 events a month for over a year now, and at some (Indoor Rowing, Tower Running, various road races) I see whole teams of CFers. With a few exceptions, these people finish well below the mean. I’m not putting them down, since they just seem to be out to have a good time and hang out with their buddies, and they aren’t getting in anybody’s face with their “eliteness”. But what got me thinking was looking at results from this year’s CRASH-B regatta (the indoor rowing world championship). Scan through these results and see how those who “do what you do nearly as well as you” really do:

http://www.concept2.com/us/racing/crash ... asp?race=1

http://www.concept2.com/us/racing/crash ... asp?race=2

The guy at #43 has a pretty solid time, decent but not remarkable by college standards. Is he considered a “firebreather”? I recognize the name at #87, and again a respectable time, but in no way exceptional, especially if the guy tips the scales at more than 200lbs. Then at #183, the world’s best CFer. I don’t know this guy, I’m not trying to put him down, I’m sure he’s demonstrated athleticism in many other ways. But I am qualified to say that 2K erg time is just plain slow. I’ve coached several women smaller than him to faster times, and that score would land him in the third novice eight of any competitive men’s team. And there are 4-5 CFers on the list who are slower still, and the women’s results are pretty much the same.

I am not “calling out” these people or trying to insult them. I’m sure they work very hard at what they do. I’m just pointing out that their rowing ability is far below the standard of people who specialize in rowing. But that is hardly a surprise to anyone who isn’t drinking the Kool-Aid. Incidentally, I’ve coached plenty of non-rowing specialists to respectable 2K times with methods that don’t include bouncing an Olympic bar for time (i.e., "dead lifts"), bastardized calisthenics, flailing kettlebells, or Tabata anything.

I ended up ahead of Froning, Austin Malleolo, and Russell Berger. Just a few seconds behind Pat Barber at CRASH B. All four of these guys are "firebreathers" and I'm pretty sure they workout or train people for a living. I sit at a desk 50-60 hours per week. I had been rowing for approximately 4 months.

coop wrote: I sit at a desk 50-60 hours per week.

raptor wrote:
On my harddrive I found the sceenshot I took back then at the height mutual hysterics:

Songjabong wrote:
The info raptor is pointing out on the @fitter rowing times just confirms what we've known for a while -- @fitters are only good at @fit. If their games included a couple of widely- used athletic activities -- I dunno, a mile run, or a long jump, or a 1 max rep bench -- they'd be exposed, so they have to make everything a ridiculous circuit.

powerlifter54 wrote:

Mike Caviston wrote:Thanks for the interest; I’ll see what I can do.

Love to see that, half of smart programming is following smarter programmers...

PL54
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coop wrote:

Mike Caviston wrote:Here’s a question that is not meant to be the typical CF bashing this thread is (justifiably) famous for. I’m just curious, and would like to know if anyone has any reliable information. Has anyone who is recognized as being good at CF (a “firebreather”) ever demonstrated the ability to perform at a high level in another sport? I’m not talking about someone who was successful at gymnastics or soccer or track and field before gaining some notoriety in CF. I mean, has anyone ever started with CF and then shown ability elsewhere? The concept of “good” at either CF or some other activity is subjective, so interpret it however you will. But I’m thinking along the lines of a CF games finalist who has finished in the top 10% of some contest with hundreds of competitors, or a more exclusive contest that is recognized as a major championship.

I’ve been competing in 2-3 events a month for over a year now, and at some (Indoor Rowing, Tower Running, various road races) I see whole teams of CFers. With a few exceptions, these people finish well below the mean. I’m not putting them down, since they just seem to be out to have a good time and hang out with their buddies, and they aren’t getting in anybody’s face with their “eliteness”. But what got me thinking was looking at results from this year’s CRASH-B regatta (the indoor rowing world championship). Scan through these results and see how those who “do what you do nearly as well as you” really do:

http://www.concept2.com/us/racing/crash ... asp?race=1

http://www.concept2.com/us/racing/crash ... asp?race=2

The guy at #43 has a pretty solid time, decent but not remarkable by college standards. Is he considered a “firebreather”? I recognize the name at #87, and again a respectable time, but in no way exceptional, especially if the guy tips the scales at more than 200lbs. Then at #183, the world’s best CFer. I don’t know this guy, I’m not trying to put him down, I’m sure he’s demonstrated athleticism in many other ways. But I am qualified to say that 2K erg time is just plain slow. I’ve coached several women smaller than him to faster times, and that score would land him in the third novice eight of any competitive men’s team. And there are 4-5 CFers on the list who are slower still, and the women’s results are pretty much the same.

I am not “calling out” these people or trying to insult them. I’m sure they work very hard at what they do. I’m just pointing out that their rowing ability is far below the standard of people who specialize in rowing. But that is hardly a surprise to anyone who isn’t drinking the Kool-Aid. Incidentally, I’ve coached plenty of non-rowing specialists to respectable 2K times with methods that don’t include bouncing an Olympic bar for time (i.e., "dead lifts"), bastardized calisthenics, flailing kettlebells, or Tabata anything.

I ended up ahead of Froning, Austin Malleolo, and Russell Berger. Just a few seconds behind Pat Barber at CRASH B. All four of these guys are "firebreathers" and I'm pretty sure they workout or train people for a living. I sit at a desk 50-60 hours per week. I had been rowing for approximately 4 months.

Songjabong wrote:

raptor wrote:
On my harddrive I found the sceenshot I took back then at the height mutual hysterics:

I don't know shit about rowing or rowing times, but the rest of that list is pretty gawdamn ridiculous. He's supposed to be some kind of fitness badass but it takes him 3:32 to do 100 pushups and his 40 time is 6.7? There are below-average high school offensive linemen who would smoke him in a sprint. Fuck, my 200 meter in 7th grade would've crushed him.

The info raptor is pointing out on the @fitter rowing times just confirms what we've known for a while -- @fitters are only good at @fit. If their games included a couple of widely- used athletic activities -- I dunno, a mile run, or a long jump, or a 1 max rep bench -- they'd be exposed, so they have to make everything a ridiculous circuit.

WildGorillaMan wrote:

Songjabong wrote:
The info raptor is pointing out on the @fitter rowing times just confirms what we've known for a while -- @fitters are only good at @fit. If their games included a couple of widely- used athletic activities -- I dunno, a mile run, or a long jump, or a 1 max rep bench -- they'd be exposed, so they have to make everything a ridiculous circuit.

How about, I dunno, throwing a ball for distance?

Songjabong wrote:That's a fucking athletic event? What, is there some sort of softball distance-throwing championship somewhere? All we learned from that bullshit is that those fuckers throw like girls. If they'd thrown a shot, then there'd be something tangible to compare.

Crust Bucket wrote:

Songjabong wrote:That's a fucking athletic event? What, is there some sort of softball distance-throwing championship somewhere? All we learned from that bullshit is that those fuckers throw like girls. If they'd thrown a shot, then there'd be something tangible to compare.

If these fucks can't manage a softball throw just imagine the hilarity if you gave them something that had some weight to it.

Songjabong wrote:That's a fucking athletic event? What, is there some sort of softball distance-throwing championship somewhere?

Captain Quack wrote:Let's see how the @Fers can do against Maryland's best senior citizens:
http://www.mdseniorolympics.org/pdf/mso ... ds2009.pdf

SOFTBALL THROW - MEN
50-54 Bill Walsh 255-05.00 1996
55-59 James Kenney 234-10.00 2000
60-64 James Kenney 230-00.00 2002
65-69 James Kenney 211-07.00 2009
70-74 Charles McGarvey 177-08.00 1993
75-79 Charles McGarvey 151-10.00 1998
80-84 Edward Murphy 129-00.00 2004
85-89 John Ey 110-03.00 1994
90-94 Glen Olsen 56-00.00 2004

SOFTBALL THROW - WOMEN
50-54 Patricia Stephenson 160-00.00 2000
55-59 Patricia Stephenson 156-00.00 2004
60-64 Helen Boyd 132-07.00 1997
65-69 Nancy Callan 123-10.00 1999
70-74 Mary Clark 103-10.00 1996
75-79 Nancy Callan 96-00.00 2009
80-84 Kate Kwitkoski 68-09.00 2005
85-89 Wally Dashiell 51-01.00 2009
90-94 Elizabeth Evans 37-02.50 1995

Or a second grader:
http://www.townschool.com/athletics/pdf ... s_2006.pdf

SECOND GRADE
Softball Throw 123 ft. 3 in. Danny Braun 1975

Spencer Hendel - 258'9"

Michael Bruno - 263.9 ft. - 8th grade

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Jay wrote:

Songjabong wrote:

raptor wrote:
On my harddrive I found the sceenshot I took back then at the height mutual hysterics:

I don't know shit about rowing or rowing times, but the rest of that list is pretty gawdamn ridiculous. He's supposed to be some kind of fitness badass but it takes him 3:32 to do 100 pushups and his 40 time is 6.7? There are below-average high school offensive linemen who would smoke him in a sprint. Fuck, my 200 meter in 7th grade would've crushed him.

The info raptor is pointing out on the @fitter rowing times just confirms what we've known for a while -- @fitters are only good at @fit. If their games included a couple of widely- used athletic activities -- I dunno, a mile run, or a long jump, or a 1 max rep bench -- they'd be exposed, so they have to make everything a ridiculous circuit.

His rows and sprints suck. I ran faster as a 9th grader. Even now as a 280# man who runs about once a year I can still sprint faster at 40 than that.