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He makes a funny point and it's cute and true in a way but it's not much in terms of a nuanced rebuttal to the royal fucking our country has endured at the hands of the abomination that is the corporation as legal person If i understand correctly, in sum....it "Could be Worse".

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AFf0ysgNiM[/youtube]

There are a lot of pissed off people who are just fine with actual free market principles.

johno wrote:http://evil-klown.blogspot.com/2011/11/ ... simon.html

Supremely depressing that that guy is a professor of anything.

CharlieBob wrote:http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45353723/ ... saTpMMr27t

"I've been arrested nine times for civil disobedience; I want to be arrested 12 times," Goldin said Thursday. "And I was sure I'd be arrested today, but the cops were determined because of the bad publicity for them, to not arrest an 87-year-old woman."

"I said [to an officer], 'What if I socked you in the eye?,' and he said, 'I'd give you a free shot,'" Goldin said. "'Well, what if I kneed you in the groin?,' and he said, 'No, you're not going to get arrested!'"

Before you feel bad for the old people getting pepper sprayed and arrested you may want to be aware of the fact that at least some of them specifically WANT exactly that.

Wait, you think it's okay to assault an old lady for civil disobedience? Jesus Christ.

Fat Cat wrote:

CharlieBob wrote:http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45353723/ ... saTpMMr27t

"I've been arrested nine times for civil disobedience; I want to be arrested 12 times," Goldin said Thursday. "And I was sure I'd be arrested today, but the cops were determined because of the bad publicity for them, to not arrest an 87-year-old woman."

"I said [to an officer], 'What if I socked you in the eye?,' and he said, 'I'd give you a free shot,'" Goldin said. "'Well, what if I kneed you in the groin?,' and he said, 'No, you're not going to get arrested!'"

Before you feel bad for the old people getting pepper sprayed and arrested you may want to be aware of the fact that at least some of them specifically WANT exactly that.

Wait, you think it's okay to assault an old lady for civil disobedience? Jesus Christ.

No. But if your assaulting an officer expect to get pepper sprayed or tased. It's been beat into the head of cops that "less than lethal" means less litigation. Which is fucking stupid. You spray or tase the wrong person, kid, old person, or freak who's allergic and you've got a dead body on your hands.

Hands on is the way to go but so many cops are fat and untrained so hands means ass whoopin, which should be reserved for minorities and able bodied hipsters.

Much like the handful of scum in the OWS camp is making the whole look bad or worse, a few lazy untrained pigs are making the rest of the jack booted thugs look bad or worse.

The exchange above is a simple case of the old woman and the cop both knowing what is the "right" thing to do to protect their cause, save face.

Nobody is assaulting any cops so go easy there officer Ed and if a cop can't diffuse a situation with a crazy old lady, he ought to turn in his badge.

Fat Cat wrote:

milosz wrote:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/bl ... g-20111025

This is a REALLY good article. I would encourage all to read this.

Very good.

milosz wrote:

johno wrote:http://evil-klown.blogspot.com/2011/11/ ... simon.html

Supremely depressing that that guy is a professor of anything.

Though not a bit surprising: http://www.hillsdale.edu/academics/disp ... =858990001

William E. Simon Professor in Economics and Public Policy; Professor of Economics, 1989

Lecturer, University of California Davis, 1976; assistant professor, Mount Holyoke College, 1976-77; visiting assistant professor, Washington State University, 1979-80; assistant professor, University of Michigan-Dearborn, 1976-86; adjunct professor, 1986-89; senior economist, Michigan State Republican Staff, 1983-89; deputy treasurer, State of Michigan, 1991-92; chief of staff to Congressman Nick Smith, 1995-96.

He is paid by the other side.

haha, a Berkley graduate.

ÜberSmet wrote:

milosz wrote:

johno wrote:http://evil-klown.blogspot.com/2011/11/ ... simon.html

Supremely depressing that that guy is a professor of anything.

Though not a bit surprising: http://www.hillsdale.edu/academics/disp ... =858990001

William E. Simon Professor in Economics and Public Policy; Professor of Economics, 1989

Lecturer, University of California Davis, 1976; assistant professor, Mount Holyoke College, 1976-77; visiting assistant professor, Washington State University, 1979-80; assistant professor, University of Michigan-Dearborn, 1976-86; adjunct professor, 1986-89; senior economist, Michigan State Republican Staff, 1983-89; deputy treasurer, State of Michigan, 1991-92; chief of staff to Congressman Nick Smith, 1995-96.

He is paid by the other side.

What are the sides?

milosz wrote:

johno wrote:http://evil-klown.blogspot.com/2011/11/ ... simon.html

Supremely depressing that that guy is a professor of anything.

"How is it that for thousands of years mankind made very little progress in increasing the standard of living and yet today half of the goods and services you use in the next week did not exist when I was born?"

Because the power gradually diffused out into the masses instead of concentrating in the, oh I don't know let's say 1% of the population who controlled most of the productive resources and had little incentive to innovate because their wealth was built on the backs of the serfs.

Irony. Get with that shit.

Fat Cat wrote: Wait, you think it's okay to assault an old lady for civil disobedience? Jesus Christ.

Are you an undergrad right now? Cause your posts sure sound like an ignorant, entitled moron who wants to say inflammatory things.

Not sure where you pulled that sentence from my post, but the point I was making is that I don't particularly feel bad for someone getting arrested when they are literally begging to get arrested. They know that the images will look bad and make a headline so they go out there with the intention of getting arrested.

I will not hold it against police officers for arresting a "helpless old lady" who wants nothing more than to get arrested and make a headline.

Fat Cat wrote:Nobody is assaulting any cops so go easy there officer Ed and if a cop can't diffuse a situation with a crazy old lady, he ought to turn in his badge.

Did you not read the initial post. She wanted to assault an officer to get arrested. And he did diffuse the situation. You are only stirring shit.

Wait aren't you a trustafarian? When did trust fund babies become the voice of the working class?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL7QRluEeEk[/youtube]

Edzekiel Zachariah wrote:

Fat Cat wrote:Nobody is assaulting any cops so go easy there officer Ed and if a cop can't diffuse a situation with a crazy old lady, he ought to turn in his badge.

Did you not read the initial post. She wanted to assault an officer to get arrested. And he did diffuse the situation. You are only stirring shit.

Exactly, what does he want? A cookie?

Edzekiel Zachariah wrote:Wait aren't you a trustafarian? When did trust fund babies become the voice of the working class?

If you mean do I somehow have wealth coming to me through a trust, or have at some point in the past the answer is no. I work 6 days a week so am I working class?

Now I know I've taken some uncalled for swipes at you so I may be talking out of school as well but that strikes me as a Very Cheap Shot, Fats. I'm no fan of pigs but EZ's insight here has value he's been utterly transparent about those experiences.

Edzekiel Zachariah wrote:

Fat Cat wrote:Nobody is assaulting any cops so go easy there officer Ed and if a cop can't diffuse a situation with a crazy old lady, he ought to turn in his badge.

Did you not read the initial post. She wanted to assault an officer to get arrested. And he did diffuse the situation. You are only stirring shit.

Wait aren't you a trustafarian? When did trust fund babies become the voice of the working class?

How is having money incongruent with OWS support?

Blaidd Drwg wrote:Now I know I've taken some uncalled for swipes at you so I may be talking out of school as well but that strikes me as a Very Cheap Shot, Fats. I'm no fan of pigs but EZ's insight here has value he's been utterly transparent about those experiences.

Alright, I'll give Ed the benefit of the doubt and edit my post.

Fat Cat wrote: Wait, you think it's okay to assault an old lady for civil disobedience?

Let's get the facts straight: Dorli herself said that the entire crowd was peppersprayed. She was in the crowd.

So, do you suggest that the PD can't use pepperspray to disperse a crowd if there might be one little old lady present?

I expect police to use some judgement, and more to the point, I think the police have no business spraying down crowds of people peacefully protesting social and economic injustice.

Edzekiel Zachariah wrote:

Fat Cat wrote:Nobody is assaulting any cops so go easy there officer Ed and if a cop can't diffuse a situation with a crazy old lady, he ought to turn in his badge.

Did you not read the initial post. She wanted to assault an officer to get arrested. And he did diffuse the situation.

While I agree that it is possible that he could have handled the situation better (and I have no idea what was stress he was under in context), I have no sympathy for anyone who uses cops in this manner.

Fat Cat wrote:I expect police to use some judgement, and more to the point, I think the police have no business spraying down crowds of people peacefully protesting social and economic injustice.

Crowds in Seattle protesting social and economic injustice hardly have a history of staying peaceful-- as any Seattle cop would know.

Fat Cat wrote:I expect police to use some judgement, and more to the point, I think the police have no business spraying down crowds of people peacefully protesting social and economic injustice.

That's a partial answer to my question on Wednesday:

johno wrote:
Any person or group can occupy a public area, any time, for any duration? Under any sanitation conditions? Effectively excluding others from using those public areas?

Fat Cat wrote:

Blaidd Drwg wrote:Now I know I've taken some uncalled for swipes at you so I may be talking out of school as well but that strikes me as a Very Cheap Shot, Fats. I'm no fan of pigs but EZ's insight here has value he's been utterly transparent about those experiences.

Alright, I'll give Ed the benefit of the doubt and edit my post.

Don't edit shit. If I can't take you busting my balls I won't post.

I wasn't defending the pigs only offering a little limited insight.

And I apologize for asking about the trust fund thing. I had bad info and I was busting balls.

Fat Cat wrote:I expect police to use some judgement, and more to the point, I think the police have no business spraying down crowds of people peacefully protesting social and economic injustice.

Hold your horse there Fatty. Do you even read the articles you post links to?

Seattle police said plenty of verbal warnings were given to demonstrators attempting to block intersections and streets during rush hour.
"Pepper spray was deployed only against subjects who were either refusing a lawful order to disperse or engaging in assaultive behavior toward officers," Kappel wrote on the department's blog.
Kappel also noted that one man threw an "unknown liquid" at an officer's face and was arrested. The officer was not injured.
In another incident, Kappel said a 17-year-old woman swung a stick at an officer, and as police moved to arrest her, others tried to intervene on her behalf, prompting a blast of pepper spray.

That does NOT constitute peaceful, and blocking traffic is unlawful. Did maybe some folks get caught up in the blast (2nd bold) that weren't intervening? Sure, but the cops had cause to react here based on the article you posted as a source.

Not all police are pigs. You need to fine-tune your hate mongering to be a little more specific and accurate perhaps.