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Fat Cat wrote:And in a sure sign of the impending apocalypse, Sarah Palin supports OWS.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... sNewsThird

Fat Cat wrote:I appreciate you crawdaddy, just not your opinions.

Turdacious wrote:

Fat Cat wrote:Land of the free bitch!

I think we can do a better job of captioning this.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:

Turdacious wrote:

Fat Cat wrote:Land of the free bitch!

I think we can do a better job of captioning this.

can i use the word bukakke?

Fat Cat wrote:Here's the retired chief of the Philly PD getting arrested in full uniform for participating in OWS.

The Crawdaddy wrote:Stereotyping is crap and just another face of a bigot. And a sign of a weak mind. You go there.

The Crawdaddy wrote:BD: I won't even bother. But I will defend your right to be a jackass to the end. You're welcome.

Dietrich Buchenholz wrote:

Fat Cat wrote:Here's the retired chief of the Philly PD getting arrested in full uniform for participating in OWS.

Here's an idiot mis-captioning a photo!

The Crawdaddy wrote:LULZ. Bite me. 5 Scotches in makes that shit hard. And I'm ok with the fact that you don't appreciate what I do. I never asked for your appreciation.

Back on subject:
Pictures only tell a part of the story. A perfect historical example:

Most of you have probably seen this photo:

It was made in February 1st, 1968. in Saigon, after the North Vietnamese forces started Tet offensive. A man with a hand gun was South Vietnamese officer, general Nguyễn Ngọc Loan. A prisoner was Nguyễn Văn Lém. Photograph was made by Eddie Adams who was AP photojournalist in Vietnam.
This photograph made great influence on American public opinion, turning it against American involvement in Vietnam war. Eddie Adams won a Pulitzer Prize for that one. About that day he wrote:

I just followed the three of them as they walked towards us, making an occasional picture. When they were close - maybe five feet away - the soldiers stopped and backed away. I saw a man walk into my camera viewfinder from the left. He took a pistol out of his holster and raised it. I had no idea he would shoot. It was common to hold a pistol to the head of prisoners during questioning. So I prepared to make that picture - the threat, the interrogation. But it didn't happen. The man just pulled a pistol out of his holster, raised it to the VC's head and shot him in the temple. I made a picture at the same time.


This is all about a cruelty of war. We can see armed man executing helpless prisoner. Evil that wins over truth and life. But, as Adams later said, photography is just a half of the story. According the South Vietnamese sources, Nguyễn Văn Lém (a prisoner) was Viet Cong officer who has been caught the same day close the ditch holding as many as thirty-four bound and shot bodies of police and their relatives, some of whom were the families of general Loan's deputy... General Loan escaped to USA after the war, where he died in 1998. Eddie Adams died too, 5 years ago.
For me this photograph is a proof what one single moment in someone`s life can change a destinu of one man and millions of people. There is nothing heroic in executing helpless man. People act weird in stressful and life threatening situations. One day you are a hero. Tomorrow you are war criminal. We will probably never know which one of the stories were true. All involved are dead, just a photo remained to tell its own story.

Eddie Adams:
The general killed the Viet Cong; I killed the general with my camera. Still photographs are the most powerful weapon in the world. People believe them; but photographs do lie, even without manipulation. They are only half-truths.

So you can put as many photos as you like in here, but without context, they are just as worthless as a third nipple.

Edzekiel Zachariah wrote: Man I love squids, especially the filthy ones but you start messing with my bitch and we are going to have to throwdown. I challenge you to a crossdressing kiss off at noon!

PC Polar Circle Person wrote:Just how does this picture lie? Dude gets shot in the head and no explanation changes that fact. Everything else is up to imagination. It's always easier when you pay attention to the actual facts.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:Our system is remarkably good at protecting civil rights in general. However, cops and prosecutors are the rights protecting business, they are in the investigation and prosecution business...and when they fuck up, get it wrong, as is often the case, they are immune from the consequences. Regardless of their good bad or clumsy intentions, there is never a moment when you should place your trust in that system to "do the right thing".

milosz wrote:Let's see one of the fascist-friendly folks here defend this, at UC-Davis:

The Crawdaddy wrote:You really believe that the police and system has no real function in protecting the individual? Wow. And how are they immune when they fuck it up?
I never said the system was perfect, but to allow the bad apples in the barrel to taint your whole perspective is pretty sad. Should that interject some caution? Sure. Complete distrust - only if you're paranoid.

The Crawdaddy wrote:

PC Polar Circle Person wrote:Just how does this picture lie? Dude gets shot in the head and no explanation changes that fact. Everything else is up to imagination. It's always easier when you pay attention to the actual facts.

Historically, when this picture was first published, there was public outcry that it was an execution of a civilian without cause or reason - because that's what it appeared to be. It wasn't until later that the back story that I included became widely known.

My point was that a photo is out of context and rarely tells the whole story. The viewer is left to form whatever back story that their individual experiences and biases cause them to create for themselves, and it's rarely an approximation of reality. How was that so hard to understand?

PC Polar Circle Person wrote:

The Crawdaddy wrote:

PC Polar Circle Person wrote:Just how does this picture lie? Dude gets shot in the head and no explanation changes that fact. Everything else is up to imagination. It's always easier when you pay attention to the actual facts.

Historically, when this picture was first published, there was public outcry that it was an execution of a civilian without cause or reason - because that's what it appeared to be. It wasn't until later that the back story that I included became widely known.

My point was that a photo is out of context and rarely tells the whole story. The viewer is left to form whatever back story that their individual experiences and biases cause them to create for themselves, and it's rarely an approximation of reality. How was that so hard to understand?

So the picture didn't lie after all.

Edzekiel Zachariah wrote: As a former cop, I believe that a cop has a job to do and if he has to shit on you to do it he'll do it in a heartbeat because if you aren't a cop, a cop's wife and kid, or someone in the group you don't count. Law enforcement work breeds xenophobia and if you get caught in the wrong place at the wrong time doing something minor an overzealous cop who thinks he is doing a good job can ruin your fucking night and possibly your career if not take your life. What's especially ironical is that the new command staff at the pd I used to work for is all about snitching out your brothers for anything. The most minor shit is passed on they are starting to eat their own young and it's created a horrible place to work. If you can't count on your brother to not rat you out for calling someone who kicked you in the balls a motherfucker you sure can't trust him to show up when you are fighting a crackhead by yourself in an alley. I was one of the "good" cops. I didn't think my job was my life, I didn't take shit personally, and I hated that fucking job but I'm still guilty of treating people like shit because I had a bad day. Now I didn't write tickets and I didn't take too many people to jail but I can tell you I am good enough with my verbal judo that depending on what I wanted I could either talk a guy into or out of fight on any given night. And I won't lie, it feels good to beat the ever loving fuck out of a guy who is a wife beater or just wants to fight. But I'm also not the same person I was then, thank Gorilla Grodd.

Again. There is a number of reasons for this pic. The main one is that the cop gets more heat from his command staff and faces reprimand if he goes straight to hands on cotrol. Pepper spray and tasers are looked at as the first level of force when it comes to dealing with a passive or actively resisting person. It's bullshit but it's all about being able to defend the city/state/feds in court when the civil rights lawsuits start.

milosz wrote:

Again. There is a number of reasons for this pic. The main one is that the cop gets more heat from his command staff and faces reprimand if he goes straight to hands on cotrol. Pepper spray and tasers are looked at as the first level of force when it comes to dealing with a passive or actively resisting person. It's bullshit but it's all about being able to defend the city/state/feds in court when the civil rights lawsuits start.

Except that in this case, the opposite is true - in Cali, use of pepper spray against non-violent protesters is excessive use of force. Which means that UC-Davis and whatever pigs were called out are going to get sued and lose easily.

milosz wrote:Let's see one of the fascist-friendly folks here defend this, at UC-Davis:

Spicuzza told the Sacramento Bee (http://bit.ly/sKoP5T) that police used the pepper spray after they were surrounded. Protesters were warned repeatedly beforehand that force would be used if they didn't move, she said.

"There was no way out of that circle," Spicuzza said. "They were cutting the officers off from their support. It's a very volatile situation."