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A) Small gov't and enforce the law
B) Small gov't and don't enforce the law
C) Big gov't and enforce the law
D) Big gov't and don't enforce the law

I favor A.
Try to wrap your tiny minds around it.

How about
E. Don't allow jackbooted thugs to abuse their position of authority.

Do you honestly believe tha government has your best interest at heart? They may as long as you conform but not so much if you start to think outside what is considered the norm.

johno wrote:I favor A.

I have no doubt that you believe you do.

Supporting jackboot thuggery against a protest of big government is entirely inconsistent with A, "small minds" rhetoric notwithstanding.

Cognitive dissonance isn't obvious to its victims by definition, however.

Jag Panzer wrote:

johno wrote:I favor A.

I have no doubt that you believe you do.

How beneficent of you.

Jag Panzer wrote: Supporting jackboot thuggery against a protest of big government is entirely inconsistent with A, "small minds" rhetoric notwithstanding.

You think OWS is a "protest of big government?" Please explain.




Ed Z. - When the PD give a lawful order to disperse and people refuse to comply, don't the PD have the authority to use a low level of force to get compliance? And isn't OC low on the force scale, like putting hands on someone?

texas law specifically allows use of force against peace officers:
c) The use of force to resist an arrest or search is justified:(1) if, before the actor offers any resistance, the peace officer (or person acting at his direction) uses or attempts to use greater force than necessary to make the arrest or search; and(2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the peace officer's (or other person's) use or attempted use of greater force than necessary.

not sure I'd want to see what happens if I tried, but I find it interesting that this is specifically located in the use of deadly force penal code...

johno wrote: You think OWS is a "protest of big government?" Please explain.

Dude...where the fuck have you been? Do you not see people protesting the bail out?

Brah, I notice they are protesting at Wall Street. AFAIK, Pennsylvania Avenue has been available for occupation.

The protest has been so disorganized that you could argue that there is no central philosophy...no "there" there. But it takes Big Gov't to implement many of their demands.

johno wrote: But it takes Big Gov't to implement many of their demands.

But it's okay when Big Gubment does what the finance industry wants. Brought to you by supporters of small government.*

* For the average citizen. Big-ass gubment for banks.

johno wrote:Brah, I notice they are protesting at Wall Street. AFAIK, Pennsylvania Avenue has been available for occupation.

The protest has been so disorganized that you could argue that there is no central philosophy...no "there" there. But it takes Big Gov't to implement many of their demands.

This is the most ridiculous criticism, floated by so-called conservative commentators. Of course there is a central philosophy: holding those who appear to be beyond accountability culpable for their wickedness. That includes but is not limited to: corrupt politicians, corporate rapine, and the police thugocracy which serves them. Please don't think that anyone is fooled by the bullshit line that because a group of people express themselves in different ways or lay emphasis on different points that there isn't a central message because there is: accountability. This is not a logical proposition, so some stupid counterexample of an individual who has attached themselves to the protests but doesn't really get it, is not relevant and does not derail the central thrust of these protests.

johno wrote:But it takes Big Gov't to implement many of their demands.

You are divorced from reality and talking out of both sides of your mouth in service to your kneejerk affinity for the establishment. On the one hand you blame the situation on BIG GUV and on the other you claim that the only solution is BIG GUV. How's that? Here's reality, it doesn't matter what you think. The world will change, you will not influence it because you've chosen to snipe from the sidelines.

Fat Cat wrote:

johno wrote:Brah, I notice they are protesting at Wall Street. AFAIK, Pennsylvania Avenue has been available for occupation.

The protest has been so disorganized that you could argue that there is no central philosophy...no "there" there. But it takes Big Gov't to implement many of their demands.

This is the most ridiculous criticism, floated by so-called conservative commentators. Of course there is a central philosophy: holding those who appear to be beyond accountability culpable for their wickedness.

LOL. This is the central argument of damn near every popular political protest. Their lack of focus hurts their effectiveness. It isn't a coincidence that the most successful modern political movement, the civil rights movement, was led by adults not spoiled children.

Jag Panzer wrote:

johno wrote: But it takes Big Gov't to implement many of their demands.

But it's okay when Big Gubment does what the finance industry wants. Brought to you by supporters of small government.*

* For the average citizen. Big-ass gubment for banks.

Weak deflection, condescending prick. You can't dance away from this: It takes Big Gov't to implement most OWS demands.

Fat Cat wrote:

johno wrote:Brah, I notice they are protesting at Wall Street. AFAIK, Pennsylvania Avenue has been available for occupation.

My point stands.

johno wrote:But it takes Big Gov't to implement many of their demands.

You are divorced from reality and talking out of both sides of your mouth in service to your kneejerk affinity for the establishment. On the one hand you blame the situation on BIG GUV and on the other you claim that the only solution is BIG GUV. How's that?

Where do I call for Big Gov't?

Fat Cat wrote:Here's reality, it doesn't matter what you think. The world will change, you will not influence it because you've chosen to snipe from the sidelines.

IIRC, you don't even vote, Mr. Makin'-It-Happen. Have you been on the street, demonstrating somewhere? Are you all Down with the Struggle?

You guys get pretty testy when the stupidity of the demagogues you parrot is called to your attention.

johno wrote:Where do I call for Big Gov't?

You are on a thread defending police brutality. Are you somehow immune to reason?

Fat Cat wrote:IIRC, you don't even vote, Mr. Makin'-It-Happen. Have you been on the street, demonstrating somewhere? Are you all Down with the Struggle?

You don't have any idea what I do or don't do and I wouldn't worry about it if I were you. I support participatory democracy and from what I can tell, you do not.

johno wrote:

Jag Panzer wrote:

johno wrote: But it takes Big Gov't to implement many of their demands.

But it's okay when Big Gubment does what the finance industry wants. Brought to you by supporters of small government.*

* For the average citizen. Big-ass gubment for banks.

Weak deflection, condescending prick. You can't dance away from this: It takes Big Gov't to implement most OWS demands.

And meanwhile you support Big Gov't in dismembering OWS because it doesn't fit the constraints of your tiny ideology.

I mean, I accept the condescending prick charge, because at least I'm not spinning in circles to justify the tortured logic behind my prickitude.

Fat Cat wrote:

johno wrote:Where do I call for Big Gov't?

You are on a thread defending police brutality. Are you somehow immune to reason?

Fat Cat wrote:IIRC, you don't even vote, Mr. Makin'-It-Happen. Have you been on the street, demonstrating somewhere? Are you all Down with the Struggle?

You don't have any idea what I do or don't do and I wouldn't worry about it if I were you. I support participatory democracy and from what I can tell, you do not.

You support participatory democracy but don't vote
Johno apparently does not, but does vote.

How's that work?

Sure are a lot of contortionists round these parts to make shit into purely partisan issues. The Reaper standing up for the integrity of statistics and the excellence in reportage that is Fox news, Johno worked into a lather over big v little government when the issue is abuse of power, and now Turd (one of the rare part time middle grounders) dipping his toe in the water.. if only OWS had their shit together we'd pay attention, until then they are dirty hippies all


OWS has a coherent message, you just don;t like it. neither do I for that matter but the sentiment is legit as hell and frankly a long time coming.
party politics is a tapeworm robbing your brain of nutrients. shit it out and be free.


Oh hey look...Officer friendly says...get yo hand off my car when I arrest you.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6I8iUWInds[/youtube]

Jag Panzer wrote:

johno wrote:

Jag Panzer wrote:

johno wrote: But it takes Big Gov't to implement many of their demands.

But it's okay when Big Gubment does what the finance industry wants. Brought to you by supporters of small government.*

* For the average citizen. Big-ass gubment for banks.

Weak deflection, condescending prick. You can't dance away from this: It takes Big Gov't to implement most OWS demands.

And meanwhile you support Big Gov't in dismembering OWS because it doesn't fit the constraints of your tiny ideology.

I mean, I accept the condescending prick charge, because at least I'm not spinning in circles to justify the tortured logic behind my prickitude.

Dance, dance, dance. You support the Big Gov't implicit in the OWS demands.

Fat Cat wrote: You don't have any idea what I do or don't do and I wouldn't worry about it if I were you. I support participatory democracy and from what I can tell, you do not.

Fatty, keep "supporting participatory democracy" here on IGx. And continue to not vote. It's the least you can do. The least.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:Sure are a lot of contortionists round these parts to make shit into purely partisan issues.

My favorite contortionist: "Oh my Gawd, a cop spraying pepperspray!!! We live in a Police State, I tell you! A Police State!!!!
It's just like Nazi Germany, but without the fabulous uniforms."

Do you DENY that the Nazi's had fabulous uniforms?


PS...we do live in a police state. we have a longer leash than some, and shorter than others. Ferintance, we can get all kinds of porn, we can get some mild crummy drugs, we can ride motorcycles offroad on public lands..(i support all of the above)...don't ask for good drugs though and do not even think of blocking traffic..
most of all, do not ever film a cop in public place in the furtherance of his public duty...becuase...well...that's not cool, yo.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfmjlEHA4Ug[/youtube]

BD, by your def., the only non-police state I can think of is Somalia.
But I'm sure there are more.

Blaidd Drwg wrote: [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfmjlEHA4Ug[/youtube]

1 - Useless dogs. My guy would have bit all participants, probably including me.

2 - I am nearing the point in life where I would dump both their fat asses.

Now that we're all good with it not being a police state, it all makes a lot more sense, of course...duh..9 year old white suicide bombers from wisconsin

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1B3AubsTBo[/youtube]

Dude, there's the usual and there's the exceptional. When the exceptional becomes the usual, I'll consider breaking out the .308 and making my 180 grain contribution to a better world.
Meanwhile, FC will be supporting participatory democracy.