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They have some great songs. Dreamline is a playlist staple on my iPOD for running...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wJtQzD_lXY[/youtube]

Also Ghost of a Chance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLTFbtOf ... re=related

Distant Early Warning is a great iPod skiing tune

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kJWkmtjoX4[/youtube]

Limelight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwXjnVIC ... re=related

Subdivisions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu9Ycq64Gy4

Xanadu isn`t halfbad either!

A few of these folks have nailed it. They've been around since 1974, each of their albums is different than the one before it. Not only are they not afraid to explore new ground, but they welcome it.
They do appeal to musicians because their music is complex and well thought out and they are all brilliant players. Neil Peart is probably the most influential drummer of the last 30 years and Geddy Lee likewise on bass.
They're finally gaining some mainstream acceptance because they still are putting out very good new music, their live shows are still incredibly energetic and well-performed and two generations of musicians who are heavily influenced by them are now professing that influence. The Snakes and Arrows tour is probably the best I've ever seen them and I've seen them on every tour but one since 1982.
For recommendations, start with Moving Pictures and then just take your pick from there. For me, go Permanent Waves, Signals, Hemispheres, 2112, Farewell To Kings, Power Windows, in something like that order then keep going however you like. You'll find the era that you like best and you'll appreciate a band that has evolved like no other in the time they've been around.
Also, the sheer fact that the mainstreams press have consistently bashed them for most of their existence makes us Rush fans a very protective bunch.
I have my tickets to see them November 15th in San Jose for something like the 30th time and I'm PSYCHED already!

powerlifter54 wrote:It has a good beat and you can dance to it...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_scgP3FD-Q[/youtube]

Took my son to see them, who knew nothing about Rush, and he sat and watched captivated. May have had something to do with cloud generator group behind us. Or maybe 3 guys who can all really play and blend 3 their continous solos perfectly.

My 9 year old Liam was 9 months in Momma's belly when we saw Rush together in 2002, my 3rd Rush show. ( I have one of thos few chicks who actually really like Rush, a first for me. I had one that I used to blast "Something for Nothing" when I wanted to drrown out her mouth and make her go home.)

When I got back into playing,I would play the Doc and concert vids and with no encouragement from the old man he started to pay attention to them and said he really liked them. A few months later he wanted a Bass guitar so I got him one.

A few months back I took him to the movie theater showing of the new Time Machine Live DVD. It was 2 hours and 22 minutes and this kid who usually gets up to piss at least twice at a movie did not move from his seat the whole time.

I told him they are coming on Sept 9th, 5 days after his 10th birthday. I told him as one of his presents I would take him to see his very first live concert. Man he's excited! The first show my folks took me to that I remember was Charlei Daniel's Band, so I am allready doing better as a parent than they!

I hope your Son remains a fan, it's a cool community filled with all kinds of folks including lot's of Canadians.

I'm thinking of making a WANTED: Bassist and Drummer t-shirt for the show because it is a musician rich enviroment and I wont have to root out as many Korn-holes and Emo bitches (If you don't like Rush in Canada they beat you with Hocky sticks in time to YYZ!) as I would with the music store bulletin board.

Rush is corny as hell.

I vote for banning protostupid!

Andy78 wrote:DARTH. How much longer before you convert to Islam?

WTF made you say that?

I think even the people here who can't stand me see no fucking chance ever of that.

Reasoning and historical knowledge made being a Christian a short lived phase for me, so there is no chance I'd ever adopt that slave faith and I would not suffer any of my children taken it either.

"Dad, I converted to Islam."
BAM BAM BAM! Thump.

"We won't speak of him again, I only have 2 children."

He does like a cigar at least...

I enjoy their stuff. I'm not Canadian, though I'm almost fluent in Canadian.
To me, Rush is a lot like Frank Zappa. A little far out for most, but like Zappa and their countryman Neil Young, they play what they want, not afraid to do something new even if it pisses off their most die hard fans.
And really, their technical abilities are mind blowing. I can't think of a 3-piece band that produces such a big sound, or plays anything as detailed as Rush.
Yeah, they get a bit too sci-fi for a lot of people, but even non-Canadians love them. No women though. Never has there been a female Rush fan.

baffled wrote:I can't figure out what the deal with some of the folks around here is with Rush.

I don't hate 'em, but... I when I hear their music, I feel like what I would guess it's like to play Dungeons & Dragons on acid.

Help me to see the light.

American Rush fan and been going to their shows since the end of the 70's. Overall there are periods I like of the band better than others but to me they've been true to their vision for nearly 40 years.

If you don't get it,I can't explain it to you

Maybe this will help...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eSlvoO3Vw8[/youtube]

I'm less perplexed, but still indifferent.

Good effort by all.

baffled wrote:I can't figure out what the deal with some of the folks around here is with Rush.

I don't hate 'em, but... I when I hear their music, I feel like what I would guess it's like to play Dungeons & Dragons on acid.

Help me to see the light.

I'm Canadian, eh, and they remind me of cheesy late 70s/early 80s movies, but not the good ones. Me no likey

They can't write lyrics for shit.

Rush is also a musical education for those who are not trained by music teachers or who's Mom's were not going to shell out $35-$65 a half hour for guitar lessons.

When I was first starting out and playing mostly Thrash Metal and Hardcore Crossover, Lifeson's soloing style was an influence because I actually did not like alot of the lead guitar in that kind of music.

When I got beyond the point of just bashing individual riffs and started to write songs, they were a big influence on learning how to structure and arrange beyonf the normal Vers, Chorus, Verser Chourus Bridge, guitar solo, Chorus, end structure of most songs.

Alex gave me a goal to blend heavy power chord riffs, single note riffs and accents, diminshed chord washes, blues box and modal soloing, Chord stab funk and reggae riffs, attack dynamics and blend them all into my style. Sure Page, Navarro, The Edge, David Gilmour, Kim Thayell, some local guitarist and a few other had an influence on my as I went but Rush was the center of me trying to be more than a one genre guitarist into an eclectic one.

A success for me on an artistic front was that when people tried to discribe my band, Furious Spring, it was not easy to peg us to a specific genre as we had elements of Thrash, Punk, Progressive,Grunge, Post modern, Blues, Metal, Jazz, country and trip hop. I just called it Rawk und Roll.

It was also a common ground band with alot of musicians I have jammed and been in bands with beyond some simple 3 chord stuff. You could guage technical ability, intensaty and feel of a perspective band member just by jamming any number of Rush songs.

That's fascinating, brah.

Gorbachev wrote:That's fascinating, brah.

Shit, dont read it if it bores you.

I was illistrating, from my own exp. a point about their worth because beleive me there are big name guitarist who say about what I have.

And Drummers and Bassist that would say that are fucking Legion

Only messing. Used to play in a band and we covered Trees and YYZ. It's really impressive live. Never seen em. Big influence on me for guitar was Eddie V. Maiden were good and Lizzy. Agree that some of them took the place of lessons. Good point. I wore out tapes with stop rewind play trying to learn licks. Prince was great too (guilty pleasure). Then got into diMeola etc. Now I like folk.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaP4ksaVOzg[/youtube]

There you go.

Gorbachev wrote:Only messing. Used to play in a band and we covered Trees and YYZ. It's really impressive live. Never seen em. Big influence on me for guitar was Eddie V. Maiden were good and Lizzy. Agree that some of them took the place of lessons. Good point. I wore out tapes with stop rewind play trying to learn licks. Prince was great too (guilty pleasure). Then got into diMeola etc. Now I like folk.

Alot of common ground for us there.

Maiden was a big early influence and through them talking about how Thin Lizzy was a big influence on them I decided to look beyond "The Boy's are back in Town". After digging in my Mother's huge LP collection I discovered Jailbreak.

I picked it up on CD 2 weeks ago and it's been on in the car everytime I drive and a few listens while in the house.
Figured out "Jailbreak" and "Emerald" last week and will probably sit down and get "Cowboy Song"

Can't get Emerald out of my head. The Lyrics are like Braveheart only with Irish Celts and Sword Danes.
Emerald
Down from the glen came the marching men
With their shields and their swords
To fight the fight they believed to be right
Overthrow the overlords

To the town where there was plenty
They brought plunder, swords and flame
When they left the town was empty
Children would never play again

From their graves I heard the fallen
Above the battle cry
By that bridge near the border
There were many more to die

Then onward over the mountain
And outward towards the sea
They had come to claim the emerald
Without it they could not leave
That's some Fat Cat, Conanish shit right there.

JonnyCat wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaP4ksaVOzg[/youtube]

There you go.

All the elements I was talking about right there. IMO Alex is better than Van Halen. I could see if he had to Alex playing VH songs and sounding good doing it.

There is alot of Rush I think Eddie's style would ruin. Eddie is pretty much Palm mute, Bar chord, some diminished stuff, rubber band airplane solos and two hand wanking.

JonnyCat wrote:There you go.

That was excellent. I've always liked rock instrumentals.

I didn't know they were such a staple of Rush's: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Rush_instrumentals
Makes sense, it sidesteps their weakness at lyric-writing.

Think I'm gonna download these to make a mix for my mp3 player.


EDIT
Something like this:
http://www.mixcloud.com/qm/rush-instrumentals/

DARTH wrote:

Gorbachev wrote:Only messing. Used to play in a band and we covered Trees and YYZ. It's really impressive live. Never seen em. Big influence on me for guitar was Eddie V. Maiden were good and Lizzy. Agree that some of them took the place of lessons. Good point. I wore out tapes with stop rewind play trying to learn licks. Prince was great too (guilty pleasure). Then got into diMeola etc. Now I like folk.

Alot of common ground for us there.

Maiden was a big early influence and through them talking about how Thin Lizzy was a big influence on them I decided to look beyond "The Boy's are back in Town". After digging in my Mother's huge LP collection I discovered Jailbreak.

I picked it up on CD 2 weeks ago and it's been on in the car everytime I drive and a few listens while in the house.
Figured out "Jailbreak" and "Emerald" last week and will probably sit down and get "Cowboy Song"

Can't get Emerald out of my head. The Lyrics are like Braveheart only with Irish Celts and Sword Danes.
Emerald
Down from the glen came the marching men
With their shields and their swords
To fight the fight they believed to be right
Overthrow the overlords

To the town where there was plenty
They brought plunder, swords and flame
When they left the town was empty
Children would never play again

From their graves I heard the fallen
Above the battle cry
By that bridge near the border
There were many more to die

Then onward over the mountain
And outward towards the sea
They had come to claim the emerald
Without it they could not leave
That's some Fat Cat, Conanish shit right there.

Suggest you check out Johnny The Fox - great bit of Lizzy. Live and Dangerous is hard to beat.

Can't agree with you that Alex is better than Eddie or even close. Eddie was an innovator. He devised and originated new tones, new tonal runs and new ways of playing. For example, check out this solo from 1986. Look at the way he starts - a straight but beautiful and haunting little riff. Then, at 5:50 he uses a delay and his volume knob to make his guitar sound like a group of cellos. Then at 7:30, he plays the intro from Mean Streets and no one had ever come up with that sort of sound before. Look at the way he plays the intro to Hot For Teacher as well - it's clever, it's showy but man, the notes he chooses are spot on and unmistakably Eddie too. Rush are good, but no way Jose is Alex fit to lace Eddie's boots in terms of being "a great". Sorry, mate.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUrwa3TMSwE[/youtube]

If you want my opinion on the greatest guitar player of all time, it's Paco. No one comes close to living, understanding, being true to his tradition whilst driving it forward. He's a force of nature. If you ever get the chance to see him live, even if you have to drive all day and all night, then do it. You've never seen someone like this play a guitar before. The aura is tangible. Even if there's other shit going on, great dancing or solos or whatever, you are watching Paco. You must watch Paco. It's hard to translate in video what it's like. The forceful percussive nature of his right hand banging on the body of the guitar really punctuates the playing and turns the guitar into a different instrument. He dominates the rhythm, dances around it like a matador dancing around a bull, surprising it and you, and always in control. Here's a solo I found, which is now 32 years old, but gives a flavour of the man. He's only tuning up for the first minute but there are some lovely touches even there!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBIk5IV28As[/youtube]

Gorbachev wrote:

DARTH wrote:

Gorbachev wrote:Only messing. Used to play in a band and we covered Trees and YYZ. It's really impressive live. Never seen em. Big influence on me for guitar was Eddie V. Maiden were good and Lizzy. Agree that some of them took the place of lessons. Good point. I wore out tapes with stop rewind play trying to learn licks. Prince was great too (guilty pleasure). Then got into diMeola etc. Now I like folk.

Alot of common ground for us there.

Maiden was a big early influence and through them talking about how Thin Lizzy was a big influence on them I decided to look beyond "The Boy's are back in Town". After digging in my Mother's huge LP collection I discovered Jailbreak.

I picked it up on CD 2 weeks ago and it's been on in the car everytime I drive and a few listens while in the house.
Figured out "Jailbreak" and "Emerald" last week and will probably sit down and get "Cowboy Song"

Can't get Emerald out of my head. The Lyrics are like Braveheart only with Irish Celts and Sword Danes.
Emerald
Down from the glen came the marching men
With their shields and their swords
To fight the fight they believed to be right
Overthrow the overlords

To the town where there was plenty
They brought plunder, swords and flame
When they left the town was empty
Children would never play again

From their graves I heard the fallen
Above the battle cry
By that bridge near the border
There were many more to die

Then onward over the mountain
And outward towards the sea
They had come to claim the emerald
Without it they could not leave
That's some Fat Cat, Conanish shit right there.

Suggest you check out Johnny The Fox - great bit of Lizzy. Live and Dangerous is hard to beat.

Can't agree with you that Alex is better than Eddie or even close. Eddie was an innovator. He devised and originated new tones, new tonal runs and new ways of playing. For example, check out this solo from 1986. Look at the way he starts - a straight but beautiful and haunting little riff. Then, at 5:50 he uses a delay and his volume knob to make his guitar sound like a group of cellos. Then at 7:30, he plays the intro from Mean Streets and no one had ever come up with that sort of sound before. Look at the way he plays the intro to Hot For Teacher as well - it's clever, it's showy but man, the notes he chooses are spot on and unmistakably Eddie too. Rush are good, but no way Jose is Alex fit to lace Eddie's boots in terms of being "a great". Sorry, mate.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUrwa3TMSwE[/youtube]

If you want my opinion on the greatest guitar player of all time, it's Paco. No one comes close to living, understanding, being true to his tradition whilst driving it forward. He's a force of nature. If you ever get the chance to see him live, even if you have to drive all day and all night, then do it. You've never seen someone like this play a guitar before. The aura is tangible. Even if there's other shit going on, great dancing or solos or whatever, you are watching Paco. You must watch Paco. It's hard to translate in video what it's like. The forceful percussive nature of his right hand banging on the body of the guitar really punctuates the playing and turns the guitar into a different instrument. He dominates the rhythm, dances around it like a matador dancing around a bull, surprising it and you, and always in control. Here's a solo I found, which is now 32 years old, but gives a flavour of the man. He's only tuning up for the first minute but there are some lovely touches even there!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBIk5IV28As[/youtube]

I can see how you might like Paco more than about anyone. I dont but I can see the basis for the opinion.

As for Eddie his inovation is largly overblown and hyped by shredders and Guitar mag nuthuggers.

Everything he did, Page, Brian May, Jeff Beck, Pete Townsand and Jimi Hendrix had all done, he brought those influences together in his style and I will say he is very recognizabel but he doe the same shit, over and over again. Van Halen started out badass but only evolved into power pop and now they are a nostalgia act. He has to rip song demos from the 70s to write now and it's all half assed "Yeah Eddie you can make it sound like an Elephant and use a flanger pedal and variac.

Alex was out there making good music before Eddie hit the scene and is still writting and performing great music and can naturaly feeling play multiple styles. He has a distinctive voice yet he can morph and sound very differnt. Plus he actually plays with a good Bass player who plays more than chord roots in 8th notes.

But niether of us needs to be out to change each others minds, it's not that I wont listen and dont like Eddie but I am pretty bored of him and have been since Sammy left the first time. Hell I like shit he's done on other people's albums better than what he's done since the late 80s.

It's fun to argue about this shit. Throw in beers and two guitars and it's fantastic. Paco's an acquired taste alright. Met a guy at a party in 1990 who played flamenco. Unforgettable. You've got to see it in the flesh.

LOL at a Lizzy thread now. Fucking great band. What a waste that Lynnot got into heroin.