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I am glad he finally got busted. And I hope indisputable evidence of his cheating comes out before all of this is over. But not because I give two shits about "cheating" in sports. I am just sick of all the cognitive dissonance going on with idiot sports fans. As Lance said, he never had an unfair advantage. This is a 100% true statement, and someday, hopefully, everyone will realise why.

If they would just say the hell with it and allow professional athletes to use in sport under a doctors supervision. All would be fine. But they play this bullshit purity card and it's a joke

Worth remembering what IMO is one of the greatest moments in sports in the last 35 years. I put this on par with Hagler v Hearns.

The decisive stage in 03
Lance goes down
Chechu paces him back
The rivals, Ullrich and Hamilton, respect tradition and the Jersey holding up the lead group.
Once the yellow rejoins, Mayo attacks
Lance counters and puts a stamp on one of the best tours since Hinault v Lemond

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27SFeKk2LpY[/youtube]

Ed Zachary wrote:DMW is it lonely up there on your high horse?

ha. you guys are chopping the legs of my stubby pony.

more importantly, who's this minnie apple who's posting>

that's a vaginal sounding handle. shouldn't the twat introduce itself?

MinnieApple wrote:I am glad he finally got busted. And I hope indisputable evidence of his cheating comes out before all of this is over. But not because I give two shits about "cheating" in sports. I am just sick of all the cognitive dissonance going on with idiot sports fans. As Lance said, he never had an unfair advantage. This is a 100% true statement, and someday, hopefully, everyone will realise why.

Who the fuck are you?

ATTA BOY BD!!! That chicken ain't gonna fuck itself!

dead man walking wrote:
ha. you guys are chopping the legs of my stubby pony.

more importantly, who's this minnie apple who's posting>

that's a vaginal sounding handle. shouldn't the twat introduce itself?

LOL

How big of a fucking asshole was Lance to get this many former team mates and the USADA so pissed at him?

I'd like to read a good tell all book that gave up the real dirt.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:

FRKCTL wrote:if USADA had the real goods they wouldn't have to bring in so called eyewitnesses to shore up their case. They apparently have no actual samples, only test data that they are now reinterpreting. If they had Lance dead to rights they would have presented the evidence to Le Tour officials and UCI. Something really smells about all this.
I don't think anyone thinks Lance is innocent, but there is a right way and a wrong way to decide that. USADA is very close to malfeasance here.

USADA would be stupid to bring this to either UCI or LeTour. Both have a vested interest in business as usual. I think every tasty bit they have flows from DOJ case that was pretty clearly dropped for political rather than substantive reasons.

Eventually USADA will have to if it really wants the Tour titles stripped. I wonder about the politics of the DoJ case.
Hearsay is not admissable in Court. And that was likely all Justice had to go on after they crunched the numbers a bit. So my little bit of hearsay: I was told by a former Lance domestique on the stateside squad from the US postal days that no one saw what Patron did and these eyewitnesses, in fact, are not. USADA is a not for profit contractor to US sports federations not a gov't agency: lying to or for them won't get you jail time for perjury.

Ed Zachary wrote:

dead man walking wrote:
ha. you guys are chopping the legs of my stubby pony.

more importantly, who's this minnie apple who's posting>

that's a vaginal sounding handle. shouldn't the twat introduce itself?

LOL

How big of a fucking asshole was Lance to get this many former team mates and the USADA so pissed at him?

I'd like to read a good tell all book that gave up the real dirt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._A._Confidentiel


RK..

UCI has only to foreward their "findings" to trigger a ban. The UCI can dispute recognizing them but is at risk of losing their sanction.

The DOJ has Hincapie's testimony and the Landis emails neither of which are hearsay. If you read the interviews with the DOJ lawyers they were very surprised to be called off. The lead prosecutor still won't talk about it.

Oh snap. I need to pick up that book.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:

Ed Zachary wrote:

dead man walking wrote:
ha. you guys are chopping the legs of my stubby pony.

more importantly, who's this minnie apple who's posting>

that's a vaginal sounding handle. shouldn't the twat introduce itself?

LOL

How big of a fucking asshole was Lance to get this many former team mates and the USADA so pissed at him?

I'd like to read a good tell all book that gave up the real dirt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._A._Confidentiel


RK..

UCI has only to foreward their "findings" to trigger a ban. The UCI can dispute recognizing them but is at risk of losing their sanction.

The DOJ has Hincapie's testimony and the Landis emails neither of which are hearsay. If you read the interviews with the DOJ lawyers they were very surprised to be called off. The lead prosecutor still won't talk about it.

they didn't have any hard evidence, is the latest i've seen on the case. if there isn't evidence, "i saw him do it" doesn't mean much.
the other wrinkle is that Le Tour is a privately owned, professional sports event. They are farting in the general direction of USADA right now.

Look at Lance Armstrong v Pantani Tour de France 2000 by crapiwheeler on YouTube. He is SPRINTING up Mt Ventoux - a barren moonscape at about 3,000m above sea level. He "gifts" the win, controversially, to Pantani - who was juiced off his head and a truly gifted climber. It's one of the most impressive climbs you'll ever watch. And the music kicks ass.

The Times today reckoned that not only was Lance doping but he was leading the doping culture in his teams, pressuring others and ruling the roost. This is what he wished to suppress. That's an interesting angle.

Gorbachev wrote:Look at Lance Armstrong v Pantani Tour de France 2000 by crapiwheeler on YouTube. He is SPRINTING up Mt Ventoux - a barren moonscape at about 3,000m above sea level. He "gifts" the win, controversially, to Pantani - who was juiced off his head and a truly gifted climber. It's one of the most impressive climbs you'll ever watch. And the music kicks ass.

The Times today reckoned that not only was Lance doping but he was leading the doping culture in his teams, pressuring others and ruling the roost. This is what he wished to suppress. That's an interesting angle.

Are you 15?

I don't think your mommy would want you posting here lil Gorby

Easy rebel...it is a great stage. Notable for passing Tom Simpson's grave marker as well.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q38Gyjv4EE[/youtube]

RKCTL

Failure to get current positive samples is hampered by the fact they don't have any new samples to take. DOJ relied on a conspiracy charge that has eyewitnesses Andreau and Hincapie among others. Much easier to convict on than the battle of "analytical findings" that hard evidence would present.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:Easy rebel...it is a great stage. Notable for passing Tom Simpson's grave marker as well.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q38Gyjv4EE[/youtube]

RKCTL

Failure to get current positive samples is hampered by the fact they don't have any new samples to take. DOJ relied on a conspiracy charge that has eyewitnesses Andreau and Hincapie among others. Much easier to convict on than the battle of "analytical findings" that hard evidence would present.

Thanks, BD.

Yes, EZ, I'm 15. What of it?

Blaidd Drwg wrote:Worth remembering what IMO is one of the greatest moments in sports in the last 35 years. I put this on par with Hagler v Hearns.

The decisive stage in 03
Lance goes down
Chechu paces him back
The rivals, Ullrich and Hamilton, respect tradition and the Jersey holding up the lead group.
Once the yellow rejoins, Mayo attacks
Lance counters and puts a stamp on one of the best tours since Hinault v Lemond

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27SFeKk2LpY[/youtube]

of course he won, he was drugged to the gills and cheated his way to victory

dead man walking wrote:

Ed Zachary wrote:DMW is it lonely up there on your high horse?

ha. you guys are chopping the legs of my stubby pony.

more importantly, who's this minnie apple who's posting>

that's a vaginal sounding handle. shouldn't the twat introduce itself?

Dead man, Ms. Apple. Ms. Apple, dead man. Better?

MinnieApple wrote:
Dead man, Ms. Apple. Ms. Apple, dead man. Better?

The fuck?!

Are you miss testi?

FRKCTL wrote:usada and wada can ban him from competing in cycling, tris and marathons and such....

How does this work? Does it need to be a drug-tested event or are they able to say that anybody that competes against him is "tainted" and therefore ineligible to compete in any events that actually have testing?

Blaidd Drwg wrote:It's a shame that though some of LA's legal arguments were very sound, his TOTALWAR brief to the Texas Judge was tone deaf and overreaching and he got rightfully smacked down.

That entire brief was shockingly poorly thought out, especially considering how tight the rest of his presentation has been.

dead man walking wrote:basically everyone thinks lance cheated. but he never failed a test, so somehow that makes it wrong to go after him. nonsense.

If you have a system that depends upon passing tests and people pass those tests, they beat the system. You can't come back and change the rules after the fact. Going after a person is one thing but declaring somebody guilty in the absence of physical evidence is another. It's a better day if somebody you know is guilty walks than if you throw the book at somebody you "feel" did something wrong.

MinnieApple wrote:I am glad he finally got busted. And I hope indisputable evidence of his cheating comes out before all of this is over.

Perhaps they will find a blood sample under the cushions of the sofa that everybody forgot about.

Most sports adhere to USADA rules..all the federations that do Tri's,Cycling and running do...BUT..:)

A quick fella, a smart fella like Lance could easily start his own federation (ala' powerlifitng) and compete in his own races. There may be existing rules in USCF et all, that would allow them to ban riders from competing in untested federations, which could limit potential competitors. Personally, I'd like to see him go after the hour record. untested, no geometry restrictions just a final fuck you.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:Personally, I'd like to see him go after the hour record. untested, no geometry restrictions just a final fuck you.

Is the all-out, any equipment goes record considered more prestigious than the UCI record?

Terry B. wrote:

Blaidd Drwg wrote:Personally, I'd like to see him go after the hour record. untested, no geometry restrictions just a final fuck you.

Is the all-out, any equipment goes record considered more prestigious than the UCI record?

Probably only in my mind. Graeme Obree and Moser deserve credit for breaking that shit open and the UCI pissed on their parade.

Who was it that almost died in South America trying to set an indoor track record? Was it Obree?

Lance's assistant speaks in Outside Online

I was Lance’s personal assistant for two years, during the height of his racing career. Do I think he cheated? Yep. But my real problem is something that diehard fans seem unable to grasp: the vengeful tactics he uses against people who tell the truth about him, on and off the bike.

Outside of his wins, I've paid very little attention to LA. I found this long but interesting.

Ed Zachary wrote:Who was it that almost died in South America trying to set an indoor track record? Was it Obree?

It was...

Attitude to doping

Obree said of his short professional career:

"I still feel I was robbed of part of my career. I was signed up to ride in the prologue of the Tour back in 1995, but it was made very obvious to me I would have to take drugs. I said no, no way, and I was sacked by my team."

He said in L'Équipe:

"In my opinion, 99 percent of riders at élite level take EPO or a similar drug, not particularly to dope themselves but to be at the same level as the others. And I find that rather sad."

The movie about Graeme does not do him justice.