Will they ever leave Lance Armstrong alone?

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this could have been great..."lance armstrong and tyler hamilton walk into a bar"
http://www.outsideonline.com/blog/lance ... a-bar.html

a little over a year later

review of tyler hamilton's new book
Here’s the reality: The Secret Race isn’t just a game changer for the Lance Armstrong myth. It’s the game ender. No one can read this book with an open mind and still credibly believe that Armstrong didn’t dope. It’s impossible. That doesn’t change the fact that he survived cancer and helped millions of people through Livestrong, but the myth of the clean-racing hero who came back from the dead is, well, dead.
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Again. Does anyone here think Lance was clean?

Man he must have been HYOOGE cock to everyone around him.

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DrDonkeyLove wrote:Lance's assistant speaks in Outside Online
I was Lance’s personal assistant for two years, during the height of his racing career. Do I think he cheated? Yep. But my real problem is something that diehard fans seem unable to grasp: the vengeful tactics he uses against people who tell the truth about him, on and off the bike.
Outside of his wins, I've paid very little attention to LA. I found this long but interesting.

I haven't finished reading this yet but it is very intriguing so far. LA seems like a real asshole douchebag if this is true.

No, I don't think Lance was clean.

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Ed Zachary wrote:Again. Does anyone here think Lance was clean?

Man he must have been HYOOGE cock to everyone around him.
I think they caught some little guys who rolled on the next guys up, and it went all the way up the chain.
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I don't disagree Spells but everyone who was around the guy seems to put out that he was massive cock to everyone so I'm sure that made it a lot easier to rat his ass out.
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is lance's modus operandi different from that of other narcissistic, high achievers? i don't think so. they surround themselves with loyal servants--ideally capable servants. your job is to enable the master to succeed. do that and you're good. express doubts, and you're banished. and more: your reputation is trashed. no one is simply let go. you are released, and attacked.

it's cult behavior.

i worked for a brilliant guy like this. being a prick ultimately caught up with him.
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p.s. why is hincapie evading the press?

he could say, stfu, lance was clean? but he hasn't. saw the following in a report on hamilton's book:
Hincapie was among several riders reported to be ready to testify against Armstrong.

There was no immediate response to an email seeking comment from Hincapie’s management team.
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Ed Zachary wrote:Again. Does anyone here think Lance was clean?
He hasn't been proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt via a fair process.
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I may be talking out my ass but I think Hincapie has a guilty conscience from doping and getting involved with the cover up.
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Turdacious wrote:
Ed Zachary wrote:Again. Does anyone here think Lance was clean?
He hasn't been proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt via a fair process.
LOL

Doesn't he have two positve tests that were taken care of by the UCI? I don't care if he doped and I don't really care. Much like the Couch thread I love the soap opera aspect of this whole show.
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Lance is on the links with OJ...looking for the real dopers.
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Taking dope will make you get only one nut. Not good for you.
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FRKCTL wrote:this could have been great..."lance armstrong and tyler hamilton walk into a bar"
http://www.outsideonline.com/blog/lance ... a-bar.html

a little over a year later

review of tyler hamilton's new book
Here’s the reality: The Secret Race isn’t just a game changer for the Lance Armstrong myth. It’s the game ender. No one can read this book with an open mind and still credibly believe that Armstrong didn’t dope. It’s impossible. That doesn’t change the fact that he survived cancer and helped millions of people through Livestrong, but the myth of the clean-racing hero who came back from the dead is, well, dead.
http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-ad ... ?168178276
They like to publish the "Lance = prick" articles. http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-ad ... tml?page=1

The thing is, I don't ever remember thinking that LA was a "nice guy". A fantastic endurance athlete, a tremendous competitor, a guy who has done admirable work through his organization but he has always, even by his own admission, been hard-driving and critical of everything that isn't up to his standards. I don't know why it would be shocking that he has stepped on more than a few toes.
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I read the Anderson piece and a couple things don't add up.

1) He had to move to New Zealand b/c his reputation was tarnished in Austin?

2) He didn't even have a copy of the email exchange where Lance promised to set him up with a bike shop?

Last, and not least:
In the middle of this purge, I found a prescription box in the medicine cabinet—to the side of the vanity in the bathroom—that sent everything spiraling. I knew what it was. Not exactly at first, but I sensed from my rudimentary knowledge of medicine that this box shouldn’t be in the bathroom of a professional cyclist.

The label said Androstenedione.
Andro might have been banned by WADA and UCI, but it was an OTC "pro hormone" available at GNC, etc. I very seriously doubt that any MD would have RX'd that particular drug - in the first place, it was introduced by Pat Arnold, and it took an act of congress to declare it a drug, literally. In the second place, I don't believe that it was ever manufactured by a pharma company - it was manufactured by the supplement companies.

(I did just search quickly, and found no mention in Wiki or other places that a pharma company ever manufactured this drug.)

The thing to know about people who have money: they will generally rain hell down upon you should you threaten to fuck with them. That comes with the territory. Expecting Lance to be any different, especially given the massive amount of money he's exposed to with the foundation? Really?


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Yeah...that one stinks to high heaven.
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If Anderson wanted to get set up in his shop he needed to sign a confidentiality agreement. Expecting money whilst carrying around all sorts of intimate details you could divulge at any time was stupid and makes the whole thing read like a bad shakedown.

And we all know Lance is a total cunt and always has been. That's not news to me. What is new are the third party details of Lance ending his marriage. And frankly, I'd rather not be privy to that - the man is entitled to some privacy.

Also - LOL at Armstrong falling off Anderson's radar from Austin to his first Tour win. I guess being the youngest ever World Champion counts for nothing?

Even without an agreement, if you work as someone's PA, I see it as implied moral condition that you don't use personal information, disclose it or refuse to agree to a confidentiality agreement. Laws will differ around the world but morality should be considered.

Glad I never worked for Armstrong or anyone like him. I don't put up with "alpha-assertion" in my private life and would not tolerate it from an employer either.
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Gorbachev wrote:Also - LOL at Armstrong falling off Anderson's radar from Austin to his first Tour win. I guess being the youngest ever World Champion counts for nothing?

Even without an agreement, if you work as someone's PA, I see it as implied moral condition that you don't use personal information, disclose it or refuse to agree to a confidentiality agreement. Laws will differ around the world but morality should be considered.
Anderson seems (unlike the other accusers) to be really desperate for attention to make this shit up. The falling off the radar bit and then the andro? Both are ridiculous. Everyone in cycling knew who Lance was before he won in Oslo and he was a budding classics rider for a time there as well.
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Blaidd Drwg wrote:Anderson seems (unlike the other accusers) to be really desperate for attention to make this shit up. The falling off the radar bit and then the andro? Both are ridiculous. Everyone in cycling knew who Lance was before he won in Oslo and he was a budding classics rider for a time there as well.
The whole piece just reeks of somebody who is desperate and making shit up to somehow win sympathy.

I'm guessing Lance and his attorneys didn't touch the andro thing in detail b/c that would look like Lance knew too much about drugs. I have to wonder if that's why Anderson played that particular card.


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Ed Zachary wrote:Again. Does anyone here think Lance was clean?

Man he must have been HYOOGE cock to everyone around him.
Turds lawyering aside, I don't think anyone here does. But this place is enlightened. General population is different, and a lot of people out there are shocked and butt hurt about this.
On a friends Facebook page, someone compared Lance to Bernie Madoff, and even the friend I'm referring to compared what Lance did to "an emotional Ponzi scheme". Really.
There are people out there who still cling to the idea of professional athletes as role models, and this is a bitter pill for such people.
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Hamilton has mad further claims today....in advance of his book release. I'll read it. Seems blood doping and EPO were de rigeur.

Funny how the truth will out. The one crazy part of all this to me is how Armstrong thought that the myriad of people involved and with knowledge would stay quiet forever. Really amazing suspension of reality to that viewpoint.

At this point an Armstrong "tell-all" would sell like hot cakes.
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reports are that the feds talked to lance's former squeeze sheryl crow.

gotta figure they wanted to know if he needed peds to ride her. did she sing?

the people who could quiet the doubters aren't talking publicly. why is that?
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