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No...No I don't. That, you miserable twat, is the point.

DrDonkeyLove wrote: As somebody here said, the only votes that probably really matter are those in a few critical precincts in the swing states.

the quadrennial cycle of sound and fury, signifying . . .

FRKCTL wrote:certainly the abolitionist movement in the party was religiously inspired. but then so were many of the justifications for slavery by the southern Dems. obviously, the religious makeup of the two parties have flip flopped in the last 40 years. the modern evangelical religious right (descendants of southern slavery apologists for the most part)considered political activism from the pulpit (even a tv pulpit)too carnal until Falwell came along and later Robertson. Before them you had a couple of religiously inspired conservative activists, Richard Viguerie for one.
reagan was textbook machiavellian in his use of the religious right. he pandered to them, visited with them, pretended to be one of them, took their endorsements and votes, and yet he never went to church and he never made a serious move to enact their policy goals.

Good response. Thanks. I never liked TV preachers. Ugh.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:Chessman, we're not talking about the GOP's economic policies (spend but don't tax) we're bemoaning the the social platform for the specific reason that it's such utter nonsensical shite, it renders the rest of the party platform unsupportable.

Many of us agree with many core republican ideals but becuase the GOP has put so many eggs in the jesus/drug/war/eeekkk teh faggots! basket, no one with an ounce of sense could support them without holding their nose. We shouldn't have to.

Calvinistic notions of morality are core Republican values and were right from the start, which you'd know if you read the link about Republican history I provided.

There's something I'd like you to consider: can the kind of economic policies we need right now be implemented with the kind of people we have now?
I'm not sure they can. We've slipped so far in terms of morality and just general behavior, and the result is more coarse people that don't have a good work ethic and think that they deserve to have things handed to them.
i saw another example of this here: http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_art ... he_hell_up

And I hear it in person all the time: any business owner is a greedy capitalist pig, the rich (i.e. anyone with more money than the speaker) "stole" their money, the 40 hour work week is the "modern form of slavery," etc., etc. And the people that say this stuff are wrapped up in everything the Christian right has been arguing against.

I get it that folks don't like the idea of legislating morality. But you'd think from the comments here and in the general public that the GOP wants to install Leviticus as the law when all they're really proposing are defensive measures designed to stop the last vestiges of America's Christian influence from being chiseled off the Supreme Court's wall. The things they're proposing are extremely mild. It's only because radicalism has become mainstream that the GOP's stance looks extreme.

And morality can be legislated to some extent. Drug dealers are put to death in Singapore and let me tell you, that place has no drug problem. Not like the US where people treat the rights of criminals as more important than the victims.

Chessman wrote:
Calvinistic notions of morality are core Republican values and were right from the start, which you'd know if you read the link about Republican history I provided.

Setting aside the fact that Calvinist history is besmirched with unconstitutional and uniquely hideous ideas on the interdependence of church and state...I didn't read it becuase:

a) the current party platform is unsupportable.
b) GOP's have long abandoned many of their core values, why should predestination by faith survive the purge?

Chessman wrote:
And morality can be legislated to some extent. Drug dealers are put to death in Singapore and let me tell you, that place has no drug problem. Not like the US where people treat the rights of criminals as more important than the victims

You are flat out, unconscionably stupid if you believe this shit for two seconds. There is a reason Singapore is held up with part ridicule and part object lesson....this is utterly at odds with American values. Not only is this loving portrait of your adopted home stridently un-american, I'd say it's Evil. Please never return to our shores.

BucketHead wrote:

Use an apostrophe and repent!

Chessman wrote:

FRKCTL wrote:certainly the abolitionist movement in the party was religiously inspired. but then so were many of the justifications for slavery by the southern Dems. obviously, the religious makeup of the two parties have flip flopped in the last 40 years. the modern evangelical religious right (descendants of southern slavery apologists for the most part)considered political activism from the pulpit (even a tv pulpit)too carnal until Falwell came along and later Robertson. Before them you had a couple of religiously inspired conservative activists, Richard Viguerie for one.
reagan was textbook machiavellian in his use of the religious right. he pandered to them, visited with them, pretended to be one of them, took their endorsements and votes, and yet he never went to church and he never made a serious move to enact their policy goals.

Good response. Thanks. I never liked TV preachers. Ugh.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:Chessman, we're not talking about the GOP's economic policies (spend but don't tax) we're bemoaning the the social platform for the specific reason that it's such utter nonsensical shite, it renders the rest of the party platform unsupportable.

Many of us agree with many core republican ideals but becuase the GOP has put so many eggs in the jesus/drug/war/eeekkk teh faggots! basket, no one with an ounce of sense could support them without holding their nose. We shouldn't have to.

Calvinistic notions of morality are core Republican values and were right from the start, which you'd know if you read the link about Republican history I provided.

There's something I'd like you to consider: can the kind of economic policies we need right now be implemented with the kind of people we have now?
I'm not sure they can. We've slipped so far in terms of morality and just general behavior, and the result is more coarse people that don't have a good work ethic and think that they deserve to have things handed to them.
i saw another example of this here: http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_art ... he_hell_up

And I hear it in person all the time: any business owner is a greedy capitalist pig, the rich (i.e. anyone with more money than the speaker) "stole" their money, the 40 hour work week is the "modern form of slavery," etc., etc. And the people that say this stuff are wrapped up in everything the Christian right has been arguing against.

I get it that folks don't like the idea of legislating morality. But you'd think from the comments here and in the general public that the GOP wants to install Leviticus as the law when all they're really proposing are defensive measures designed to stop the last vestiges of America's Christian influence from being chiseled off the Supreme Court's wall. The things they're proposing are extremely mild. It's only because radicalism has become mainstream that the GOP's stance looks extreme.

And morality can be legislated to some extent. Drug dealers are put to death in Singapore and let me tell you, that place has no drug problem. Not like the US where people treat the rights of criminals as more important than the victims.

The bold highlights are thought provoking.

I just want the gov't not to get too overbearing with my money, guns, and pornography. The Repugs want to steal one of them and the Dumbos want to steal the other two. That makes the Repugs the lesser of two evils at this point in time.

Let's repeat, what by all reasonable metrics is, the stupidest thing anyone has ever said on this forum.

morality can be legislated to some extent. Drug dealers are put to death in Singapore and let me tell you, that place has no drug problem. Not like the US where people treat the rights of criminals as more important than the victims

Blaidd Drwg wrote:Let's repeat, what by all reasonable metrics is, the stupidest thing anyone has ever said on this forum.

morality can be legislated to some extent. Drug dealers are put to death in Singapore and let me tell you, that place has no drug problem. Not like the US where people treat the rights of criminals as more important than the victims

Why is that so stupid? It's true. Have you been there? I doubt it. It's the most American place in Asia.

You think it's stupid simply because you don't like it.

Are you serious or are you this stupid?

Chessman wrote:Why is that so stupid? It's true. Have you been there? I doubt it. It's the most American place in Asia.

Yes, and not by a long shot.

Chessman wrote:

Blaidd Drwg wrote:Let's repeat, what by all reasonable metrics is, the stupidest thing anyone has ever said on this forum.

morality can be legislated to some extent. Drug dealers are put to death in Singapore and let me tell you, that place has no drug problem. Not like the US where people treat the rights of criminals as more important than the victims

Why is that so stupid? It's true. Have you been there? I doubt it. It's the most American place in Asia.

You think it's stupid simply because you don't like it.

Being coerced by the threat of death has nothing to do with morality.

DrDonkeyLove wrote:As somebody here said, the only votes that probably really matter are those in a few critical precincts in the swing states. Sadly, the Prez election is essentially meaningless to most of us and our vote is merely a statement of some kind.

It's not swing states anymore. They have it down to the counties. For instance, Obama carried the following 272 counties that GWB took in 2004.



I have a friend who works on whichever political campaign pays him, er, that he believes in, and he says that the list is narrower than that. Perhaps that's the reason that neither Obama nor Romney has given any grand political speeches - they know that it's all about cash for the war chest from targeted wealthy donors and getting the right collection of voters out in certain districts.

Grandpa's Spells wrote:Being coerced by the threat of death has nothing to do with morality.

The drug laws reflect the moral leanings of the society since Singaporeans value work ethic and are very against drug use. Asians, in general, tend to have stronger negative feelings about drug use and their laws are a reflection of that. So it isn't just a top-down imposed, the values are also taught to kids.

This is just an example of how law can reinforce morality. It can be done successfully.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:Are you serious or are you this stupid?

So I'm off the Xmas card list?

Chessman wrote:

Grandpa's Spells wrote:Being coerced by the threat of death has nothing to do with morality.

The drug laws reflect the moral leanings of the society since Singaporeans value work ethic and are very against drug use. Asians, in general, tend to have stronger negative feelings about drug use and their laws are a reflection of that. So it isn't just a top-down imposed, the values are also taught to kids.

This is just an example of how law can reinforce morality. It can be done successfully.

Blaidd Drwg wrote:Are you serious or are you this stupid?

So I'm off the Xmas card list?

No...but the fact you accept this shows exactly where you stand..and it is pure unadulerated stupid and evil. This school of thought has no place in my country.

Eat shit, Blaidd. When the Found Fathers prayed to Jesus for guidance in creating a new Christian Nation he answered with explicit instructions regarding the death penalty for minor drug offenses as the cornerstone to a new, Free America.

If it were up to libs like you Raygun (praise be upon him) would've never won the Civil War and we'd all be speaking German right now.

Chessman wrote: And I hear it in person all the time: any business owner is a greedy capitalist pig, the rich (i.e. anyone with more money than the speaker) "stole" their money, the 40 hour work week is the "modern form of slavery," etc., etc..

this is caricature.

i live in the socialist republic of vermont, and even here people don't spew such drivel.

you abhor what your bias tells you is out there, but you're at war with an illusion.

but you're at war with an illusion

And now we're at the heart of the Conservative issue; we've come full circle.

They fight wars against an invisible enemy that exists in a reality that is not our own, and they're still losing.

If Singaporean drugs laws are good enough for the Chessman, perhaps we can look to Uganda for advices re: teh gheys, maybe Yemen for insight on women's issues.

Who knew that Chesser, he of the calming breathing exercises, was such a Jesus freak, neoconservative, hostile twat?

Jeezus. The less I know about peoples religious and political beliefs that happier I am.

Ed Zachary wrote:Jeezus. The less I know about peoples religious and political beliefs that happier I am.

Proto has a Palin-Sherrif Joe 3-some fantasy that he likes to role-play in PM.

BucketHead wrote:

i saw this exact banner in virginia beach one summer. you only had to make a quick look up and down the street to see that almost everyone loved the devil.

You all need to open your eyes and watch this: 'Cultural Marxism - The Corruption of America'.

Seriously, if you haven't already seen it, then make sure you do. And it doesn't just apply to the US, it's Western Civilization in general. Frightening.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8beJeJUE6Q[/youtube]

Yes, I'm drunk wrote:You all need to open your eyes and watch this: 'Cultural Marxism - The Corruption of America'.

Seriously, if you haven't already seen it, then make sure you do. And it doesn't just apply to the US, it's Western Civilization in general. Frightening.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8beJeJUE6Q[/youtube]

While I clear my calendar for a night, can you give us the cliff notes.