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Terry B. wrote: the douchebag-of-the-week award.

The President is in strong contention, given that he isn't sure whether Egypt is an ally. Especially considering that he helped midwife the current regime in Egypt.

Batboy2/75 wrote:

Fat Cat wrote:The problem is with religious extremists and people who use sectarian divisions and ignorance to purloin civilized discourse.

Bullshit. This is nothing more than moral relativism;we are or have been, just as bad as them; if only we all had a coke and a smile they would leave us alone malarkey.

As of today, you would be hard pressed to find anyone other than Muslims engaging in wide spread religious extremism. Not to many reports of the other major world religions engaging in the same level or frequency of religious violence as the desert goat fuckers of Islam.

The problem is Islam. As it's followers become more religious they become more violent and tyrannical. The exact opposite that happens with other main world religions.

There is no moral relativism in my post, only realism and precision, something notably absent from your posts on the subject. In fact, I dare you to illustrate any form of relativism in my post on the subject.

Fat Cat wrote:

Batboy2/75 wrote:

Fat Cat wrote:The problem is with religious extremists and people who use sectarian divisions and ignorance to purloin civilized discourse.

Bullshit. This is nothing more than moral relativism;we are or have been, just as bad as them; if only we all had a coke and a smile they would leave us alone malarkey.

As of today, you would be hard pressed to find anyone other than Muslims engaging in wide spread religious extremism. Not to many reports of the other major world religions engaging in the same level or frequency of religious violence as the desert goat fuckers of Islam.

The problem is Islam. As it's followers become more religious they become more violent and tyrannical. The exact opposite that happens with other main world religions.

There is no moral relativism in my post, only realism and precision, something notably absent from your posts on the subject. In fact, I dare you to illustrate any form of relativism in my post on the subject.

Substitute "Religious Extremists" with "Followers of Islam" and I'll retract my accusation of moral relativism. Otherwise I call them as I see them.

As a side note, Chistian extremists have this funny way of giving up all their worldly goods, living in poverty and doing good works as they become more religious. Mostly because Jesus isn't recorded in the New Testament as a blood thirsty mass murderer and thief like Mohamed.

I'm not defending anything Islamic, that dog won't hunt. I am saying that when you are in a conflict, as we are with radical muslims, you can't afford to be stupid. I really don't think that's a tough thing to agree on.

Fat Cat wrote:The problem is with religious extremists and people who use sectarian divisions and ignorance to purloin civilized discourse.

Captain Obvious to the rescue!

Fat Cat wrote:I'm not defending anything Islamic, that dog won't hunt. I am saying that when you are in a conflict, as we are with radical muslims, you can't afford to be stupid. I really don't think that's a tough thing to agree on.

How do we go about controlling the millions of people on a daily basis that will upload a video or post a comment that is offensive to Islam? As long as we value freedom, there in't a damn thing we can do. The shear number of crackpots posting rantings on the interwebs, makes all of this navel gazing a wate of time.

Even if we could stop every idiot from offending islam, it would solve nothing. They hate us because we are not Muslims. Not because we eat bacon at Ihop, have tons of access to booze, can watch porn on the TV, or draw offensive cartoons.

I actually agree that it's neither desirable nor feasible to censor Americans, but that doesn't mean we need to play into their hands like this.

Fat Cat wrote:I actually agree that it's neither desirable nor feasible to censor Americans, but that doesn't mean we need to play into their hands like this.

Who is this we? it's not like the movie was produced by our government or by a major American institution. People have to stop acting like Major League Baseball, the Rotary Club, or NBC made this stupid movie.

We, is Americans, and what we can do is not let middle easterners emigrate here to wage their sectarian conflicts by proxy and media from our shores.

Hillary Clinton: "Any responsible leader should be standing up now and drawing that line."

Of course....

Egyptian President Mohammed Morsy: "The presidency condemns in the strongest terms the attempt of a group to insult the place of the Messenger, the Prophet Mohammed ... and condemns the people who have produced this radical work."

Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai accused the movie's alleged producer, a mystery man using the name Sam Bacile, and American pastor Terry Jones of committing an act of "desecration" which is "not a part of the freedom of expression, but a criminal act that has now badly affected the righteous sentiments of 1.5 billion Muslims all over the globe. Prophet Mohammad was the greatest prophet of Islam, a prophet sent to guide mankind, a pacifist and promoter of truth and honesty in the world," Karzai said. "In fact, insult to the greatest Prophet of Islam means insult to high values of 1.5 billion Muslims across the world. This offensive act has stoked inter-faith enmity and confrontation and badly impacted the peaceful coexistence between human beings."

Jordan's parliament members released a statement saying it rejects "any insult against Islamic belief and religious symbols."
"Islam, which has great respect for other monotheistic religions, prohibit insult to any prophet or other any religion," the statement said.

Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri said the film "deliberately offends Islam and the Prophet Muhammad" and said "the suspicious attempts behind it ... stir up hatred and discord between religions and peoples at a time when we are working to build bridges of dialogue, understanding and mutual respect.

Pakistani's Foreign Ministry also released a statement saying that the video has "deeply hurt the feelings of the people of Pakistan and the Muslims all over the world."

Of course, the US really is holding it to the above-mentioned countries. Wonder what they have for leverage?

Egypt ($1.55 billion in 2010)
Afghanistan ($16 billion in civilian aid pledged in 2012)
Jordan ($843 million in 2010)
Lebanon: ($246 million in 2011)
Pakistan ($18 billion since 2002)

maybe this Terry Jones cat will be like that dude that started World War I

you know, the dude who shot that Austrian dude?

Thats a whole lotta billions that we should be spending on stateside issues.
Fuck all these savages and pull every last dime of aid and every piece of equipment we own from the area.

Batboy2/75 wrote:

nafod wrote:

Batboy2/75 wrote:
Do you really think that so called movie was what started all this?.

It is what made it too easy.

Do you think the douche bags who made the movie didn't know how it would be used, and by whom?

I hope they die of ass aids.

My point is this. With hundred of millions of people living relative freedom in the west, a small, but very numerically large, subset of tards are going use their 1st amendment rights to make offensive material.

I agree. And a small percentage, but numerically large number of muslims will be offended to tears. I hate them both. The other billions will just be offended.

I spent a good two years hunting bad guys overseas, the ones that pull off the Benghazi stuff, and it seems like just when things are going swimmingly, a dysfunctional member of the dysfunctional extended family that is called America would do something mind-numbingly stupid that would instantly throw them a bone and make our job harder. Just like when you invited that hot chick home to meet the family, and "those cousins" show up too. You normally just say, "that's how we roll in the free states of U S of mother-#$%-ing America...deal with it". But in this case, I hope remote distant 15th cousin Klem dies of the ass aids given to him by a hantavirus-infected gerbil. That's all. Not asking to censor or arrest them or have Pappy & Bolt descend on them like the fist of an angry god. Not obsessing here. Just self-inflicted ass aids. At least make it as a good pron film, got Allah's sake.

While riding in to work today, the radio station was playing a heavy metal version of "When Worlds Collide". Perfect timing. What used to take months and thousands of miles to get to is now a click and a micro-second away. Muslims will eventually have to learn to deal with this shit and get over it.

nafod wrote: What used to take months and thousands of miles to get to is now a click and a micro-second away. Muslims will eventually have to learn to deal with this shit and get over it.

Learn to?

They live for outrage.

rjudo wrote:Thats a whole lotta billions that we should be spending on stateside issues.
Fuck all these savages and pull every last dime of aid and every piece of equipment we own from the area.

Let's call this what it is: Bribery. And demand our $$$ worth.

At the same time, go balls-to-the-wall developing & securing non-ME energy, for our uses and to sell to Europe. Then we can let the ragheads wither.

There is another aspect to consider-- as long as there is political capital to be gained by freeing your state from US influence, there is value in supporting a drop in aid (which they can get elsewhere). We lose our lever, and lose influence. Not saying it's the right solution, but it needs to be considered.

And there is evidence suggesting that our aid doesn't always help.

protobuilder wrote:

nafod wrote: What used to take months and thousands of miles to get to is now a click and a micro-second away. Muslims will eventually have to learn to deal with this shit and get over it.

Learn to?

They live for outrage.

FOR THAT YOU MUST DIE

protobuilder wrote:

nafod wrote: What used to take months and thousands of miles to get to is now a click and a micro-second away. Muslims will eventually have to learn to deal with this shit and get over it.

Learn to?

They live for outrage.

They generally live in countries that underperform economically, have young populations, and high unemployment.

nafod wrote:I agree. And a small percentage, but numerically large number of muslims will be offended to tears. I hate them both. The other billions will just be offended.

I spent a good two years hunting bad guys overseas, the ones that pull off the Benghazi stuff, and it seems like just when things are going swimmingly, a dysfunctional member of the dysfunctional extended family that is called America would do something mind-numbingly stupid that would instantly throw them a bone and make our job harder. Just like when you invited that hot chick home to meet the family, and "those cousins" show up too. You normally just say, "that's how we roll in the free states of U S of mother-#$%-ing America...deal with it". But in this case, I hope remote distant 15th cousin Klem dies of the ass aids given to him by a hantavirus-infected gerbil. That's all. Not asking to censor or arrest them or have Pappy & Bolt descend on them like the fist of an angry god. Not obsessing here. Just self-inflicted ass aids. At least make it as a good pron film, got Allah's sake.

Good post.

I am outraged by their outrage.